{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/iiif/0v89g5gw2d/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Roland Walters oral history, 2002 December 13"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/008/original/peabody-institute.logo.large.horizontal.blue.cropped.png?1549570058","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":[" Roland Walters (1919-2006) was the father of clarinetist Edward Walters and soprano Jeannette Walters. After spending his childhood in Philadelphia, Walters moved to Baltimore after World War II to work in sales for J.R. Watkins Products. He sang in the Great Hymns Choir in Baltimore and directed the senior choir of the Eastern United Methodist Church. In this interview with Elizabeth Schaaf, Walters discusses the musical development of his children Edward and Jeannette, both of whom studied at the Peabody Conservatory and went on to have careers in music performance and education. His wife, Edna Walters, also participates in the interview. (Abstract)"," Ending of interview cut off. Some distortion and noise present on source MiniDisc. (Physical Description)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":[" 2002-12-13 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":[" Walters, Roland, 1919-2006 (Interviewee)"," Schaaf, Elizabeth M. (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":[" English (Primary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["audio/mp3"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins University"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["The collection is open for use. 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I say Sumter because that was supposed to be the place of\nour birth certificate, which is a few miles from Summerton. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The county house\nburned down in Summerton so my birth certificate was lost. I was born in 1919,\nJanuary 26, and I use my school records for that information.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And tell me about your parents.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: My parents are from South Carolina. My parents died when I was\nfive years old. We moved to Philadelphia when I was four years old. My parents\ndied the first year they were there. I really don't have too much information on\nthe background of my parents, except that my mother was a Dow, and she had five\nbrothers in Philadelphia, and I had contact with them and I learned some things\nfrom them. But really I don't have too much information on my father's background.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So did you grow up with relatives then?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: I grew up with two older sisters and two older brothers. I was\nthe youngest of five. And we were in Philadelphia. My oldest brother at the time\nwas about eighteen, another one about fifteen, and a sister about thirteen, one\nnine, and I was four or five. We stayed together because they had good community\nthere that looked out for us until we were old enough to really, really be\nresponsible for ourselves. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But my older brother took care of us at nineteen as\nour father, or as the head of the house. I considered him as being my older\nbrother and also my father and head of the house. We existed that way until we\nwere all old enough to look out for ourselves.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: When did you make your way to Baltimore?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: After the Second World War. I'd worked for the government and I\nworked for private industry during the war. After the Second World War, I went\ninto a sales organization called J.R. Watkins Products, and I was a sales\nrepresentative for Philadelphia. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had an opening for someone to represent\nthem in Baltimore. So I came here as a dealer of Watkins products, and I opened\na business here in Washington and in Baltimore of wholesale merchandise to\nagents here to sell Watkins products. So that is what brought me to Baltimore.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Where did you live when you came to Baltimore?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: I lived on east side Baltimore. I bought a house on Normal\nAvenue. That's around 25th Street and Harford Road. After I was here a year or\nso, I moved my family to that house on the sixteen hundred block of Normal\nAvenue. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We lived there about fifteen, twenty years. Later I moved out to where\nI'm living now on 35th Street.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: But you already had your family in place when you moved here.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: I had four boys and a girl. My last son was born here. So it'd\nbe five boys and one girl.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now where did you meet Mrs. Walters?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: That's a good question. That's a good question because we went\nto elementary school together.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Where did you go to elementary school?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: In Philadelphia, a section called Eastwick section. It's near\nthe Philadelphia Airport. I don't know if I knew her during that time or not. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I\ndo know that her brother was my best friend through elementary school, middle\nschool and high school. But I didn't realize that he had a sister until after\nhigh school, and one day I said, \"Hey, you got a sister.\" [Laughter] And that's\nwhen I started noticing her. But I've known her, I guess, since elementary\nschool days. She had graduated from high school -- must have been around\neighteen years old for her, and I was a year older than she. So we became\nfriends about eighteen. She was eighteen and nineteen. And when she was twenty,\nwe decided to get married. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is what created a long friendship.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Did you have to go and get permission from her parents?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Fortunately she had understanding parents. For some reason I\nalways had the inside track at the house. They knew me from her brother. And for\nsome reason they always liked me. I had no problems at all, and in fact, her\nmother almost said, \"I wondered when you were going to ask.\" [Laughter]\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: That was good. You already knew the family.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Yes, and it was a good family.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And you knew that the holidays were going to be all right when\nyou got together.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, it was a good family, and there were a lot of good people\nduring those days -- like there's a lot of good people now. But she was one of\nthe good ones, and I really appreciate the mother and father. How they accepted me.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, leaving Philadelphia must have been a hard thing to do.\nI mean, with her family and being settled in there, and then to come to\nBaltimore, and especially given the differences in Baltimore and Philadelphia\nfor an African American. I remember talking to Wilmer Wise who came down here,\nand this is much later when he took the post of first trumpet in the Baltimore\nSymphony. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The first thing that hit him was when he was going to rent an\napartment and the listings were separate for \"colored\" and White apartment\nlistings, and that was just the beginning.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Well, it wasn't a problem. I had no idea that I'd ever come,\nthat I'd be in Baltimore because passing through Baltimore I ran into situations\nthat I didn't like. I figured that I would never live in the city of Baltimore.\nBut when this opportunity was offered to me, being a distributor in Baltimore, I\nthought that I could make it anywhere.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I ran into difficulties here. I ran into situations I didn't like, but I guess\npeople run into situations all over the world that you may not like, but you\nhave to work with it, and work through it. I had no real problems getting along.\nI just thought that at that time, in my twenties, I could take care of myself. I\ncould take care of my family regardless.\n\nAnd so I asked my wife about it. In fact, I had an offer for something in\nPhiladelphia at the same time, but she thought that this would be better of the\ntwo offers. So I decided to come to Baltimore. And in Baltimore, as I say, I ran\ninto a lot of things I didn't like. You couldn't go here, you couldn't do this,\nand we had to serve you with paper cups. They can't serve you out of a glass.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which is okay, paper cups. Everybody uses paper cups now, but during that time\nit was for certain people. But, you know, you overlook some things. And I'm glad\nthat I did because I think it turned out well for me, considering my children,\nand their chances of moving up as far as education was concerned.\n\nThe year I came here the schools integrated. That same year that I moved my\nfamily to Baltimore, that was a relief for me because my children had a choice\nof going here or going there. My daughter, her choice was going to Dunbar [High\nSchool] because she had heard Dunbar's choir, and she wanted to be part of\nDunbar's choir. So that's the way it went. My other children were younger, in\nelementary school and middle school, and as they integrated, they went to\ndifferent mixed schools.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But as it was, things were breaking. There were changes being made. You have to\ngo along with the changes and try to ignore the past. Although the past is still\nthere, you have to try to ignore it. With the changes, laws became a little more\nrelaxed and it wasn't as hard as they were previously. So overall things turned\nout very fine, very well.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now, when you were growing up, your brothers and sisters, were\nthey involved in music at all? What kind of music was in your life growing up in Philadelphia?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Music was a part of the things that I wanted to be involved in.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had choices, choices and choices. Some choices I turned down because I didn't\nwant to get involved in those choices. Music -- I liked music. I liked choral\nmusic. I realized I didn't have a solo voice, but I realized that I had a choral\nbackground so I wanted to be involved in a choral group. As long as I can\nremember, I've always been involved with choral groups. First the church -- what\nwe called the senior choir at that time.\n\nI was fourteen or fifteen years old singing with the senior choir, and today\nit's almost unheard of being that age singing with the senior choir. That's old\nfolks. But I came up fifteen years old singing with the senior choir. And I had\na friend, well, an older friend. He would stop past my house and see that I\nwould come out and go with him to the choir. He was a tenor, and I was singing\ntenor at that time. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So he would have been maybe ten years older, but he'd pick\nme up and we'd go to church. I've been involved and I just like that music.\n\nMy younger sister sang also. My older sister, remembering her from about\nfourteen years old, up, she had a beautiful voice. I would sometimes tell my\ndaughter that, you know, your Aunt Louise had a beautiful voice. She could make\nyou cry just listening to her sing some of the songs that she sang. She had no\ntraining, but she had a beautiful voice, and she had feeling in her singing. She\ndidn't sing words, she sang music.\n\nUnfortunately she didn't have the formal training that Jeannette was privileged\nto have. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But music has always been a part of our family. And so I grew up and\nstayed with choral singing\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Do you still sing with a chorus?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: No, not with a chorus, because I was allowed to get out of the\nchorus, but my wife still plays for the church, and I can't quite get out of\nthat. [Laughter]\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Is she organist?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Yes, she is. And I had to go to support her.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Where did Mrs. Walters study?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: She studied as a child with private teachers. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At high school she\nplayed with a school of music in Philadelphia, Zeccla Han's [phonetic] School of Music.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: But these were both in Philadelphia.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: In Philadelphia, yes. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Zeccla Han was on Walnut Street --\nChestnut Street. I can't remember now, but I know where I bought my music. I\ncan't think of the name of the music company.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So you married a girl who comes from a musical family too.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Yes.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And Mrs. Walters' parents were involved in music?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: No. As far I know, they were not involved in music. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Although I\nknow some of her family members that are in music, but the background I really\ndon't know too much about.\n\nEDNA WALTERS: My mother was a stepmother. My birth mother, they said she often\nplayed piano. I think she died when I was around five. I didn't remember her.\nBut they gave me piano lessons when I was in school, and I just played all the\ntime. That was something that I liked to do.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So both of you brought music with you into the marriage and\ninto your home. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How many of the children became as passionate about music as you\nboth were?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Just two. They all liked music, but none of them became involved\nas much as we did as far as my children were concerned. I had some grandchildren\nthat are as involved. But my daughter and my second son, they were musicians.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: When did Jeannette first become involved with music? She\nalways sounded like she was born singing. It seemed like it came so easily to her.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jeannette was born whistling. [Laughter] She liked to whistle.\nShe'd go through the house whistling. And then around four or five, you would\nhear her singing songs. But she whistled at an early age, and she used to do a\nlot of listening as she was growing up. Five or six, oh, she might have a voice.\nAnd seven and eight, she was doing songs a little, but as an average child could\ndo it. So she was, like they say, born to sing. She loves singing.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So did they have baby choirs at the church?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Yes. She was always part of the junior choir and things of that\ntype. And she was always called on to do her solos. And she really enjoyed doing\nit. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember in her junior high school years, which is middle school now, she\nwas very popular at school because they wanted her to sing all the time. So much\nthat sometimes she would say \"I don't think I'll do it. They want too much.\"\n[Laughter] And I think she developed a pattern in that as she got older -- that\nI can't say yes every time somebody wants me to do it.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Became a diva in middle school.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Yes. By the time she reached high school anyhow, but she loved\nto sing so much that she stayed busy. But then, of course, there's a demand on\nyou when you're willing to sing in the churches. There's always something for\nyou to do, and she would say, \"I can't do it because the more you do it, the\nmore you have to do.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So she tried to make a choice, be particular about\naccepting engagements, and she did it very well.\n\nMy daughter, for some reason, had a nice personality. She smiled quite a bit,\nand she made friends easily, and she had a good following. So a lot of the\nthings she did, I would question why she did it, but it worked for her. It\nworked for her.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now, when was it that you knew this was more than just a happy\navocation or a happy pastime? That this was really serious. That she was going\nto be poised for a career.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At high school level I knew that's what she wanted to do. And\nshe promoted herself a lot, and because of the shortage of funds at home, a lot\nof things I couldn't afford to do, she did a lot of soliciting to get funds to\nhelp move forward in music.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: When did she start studying voice? When she was at Dunbar?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: She started studying voice officially at Peabody. She sang at\nDunbar with no previous voice training. At Dunbar, she had a teacher there. What\nwas her name? Mrs. Williams? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were two Miss Williams: Viola Williams and\nthe other Williams who was an excellent pianist at Dunbar. She might have had\nsome help from her in trying to develop her voice, but officially her first\ntraining was at Peabody.\n\nShe went to the Preparatory, before you go into the Conservatory. The\npreparatory school. She went there, and she got some training there. And she\nwent from that point into the Conservatory.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was in high school when she made the choice to go to\nPeabody, to go and audition?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Yes. She was in high school.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Who got to take her to the audition?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: No doubt Miss Williams did, because Miss Williams pushed her.\nMiss Williams, her teacher, was like Madame [Alice Gerstl] Duschak. They took\nhold of that, and we're going to work with you, and they did a lot of work in\nhelping my daughter get into Peabody Conservatory and to get her in there.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now coming into Peabody, I think for most students it's always\na little bit intimidating. How did Jeannette react to starting down there?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: [Laughter] Really, really react?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yes.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: She acted like the place belonged to her. No, she was not shy.\nWhen she walked into a place, she thought that, well, I know you're glad I'm\nhere, and I'm glad to come here. Now, let's go on with the business. Yes.\n[Laughter] No, she was not shy. She was, I say, very pleasant, but she was\naggressive. And if there was something she wanted, she'd make every effort to\nget it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's just something that some people have that came naturally to her.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And her brother, when did her brother, Edward, start?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Well, Edward started playing in middle school. I suppose about\nthe seventh grade or eighth grade. And he said he wanted to play a clarinet.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: What made him decide to take the clarinet?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Because Jeannette had a friend at Peabody, Percy Brown, that\nplayed clarinet. So Edward said he wanted to play a clarinet. So I went to Fred\nWalker [music store owner] and looked over some, told him my son wanted to play\na clarinet if he had one. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fred Walker showed me one, and I bought the clarinet\nfor Edward to start working with. Percy started teaching Edward how to play the\nclarinet. And as he advanced, he changed his music teacher. I can't think of his\nteacher's name, but he played first clarinet with the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Was it Mr. [Ignatius] Gennusa?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Gennusa. Ran into him. And Gennusa stayed with Edward through\nPeabody. Yes.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: You chose well.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Well, I can't remember how we made the contact.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1680.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Had Percy been studying with Gennusa?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: I don't think Percy studied with him. I don't know now, because\nthey were both there at Peabody at the same time. But Percy might have\nrecommended him.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, there were two terrific clarinet teachers: Gennusa and\n[Sidney] Forrest.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Yeah. I remember meeting him, but I can't remember anything\nabout him. But there were a number of times I'd taken Edward to his house, and\nthe name goes with the man, Gennusa. But I happened to be reading an article not\nlong ago with Gennusa's named as a teacher.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1740.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you have suddenly had two people at Peabody. Were they both\nin at the same time at Peabody at the same time?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Yes. Edward was in Peabody at least a year before Jeannette came\nout. Yeah, Edward was in there in the '60s. I think Jeannette came out in '61.\nWell, Edward was there at least a year with Jeannette. And Jeannette graduated,\nand of course, Edward just continued at Peabody.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So how did you become the godfather of all these young\nmusicians? Like Audrey McCallum.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: [Laughter] Well, they're all good people. And during that time,\nI don't know, I can't say during that time because the same thing's happening\ntoday. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1800.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You see people you like, they liked your daughter, they liked the same\nthings that I liked. They liked music and most of them accepted me as, I guess\nadopted me as a father. Maurice Murphy. See, there's a fellow used to go all the\ntime. Even Ernie Ragogini -- remember Ragogini? Yes, I'd run into him at the\nstore many times. He'd recognize me before I'd recognize him. And he'd come\nforward and say, Hi Dad. [Laughter]\n\nI don't know where he's living now, but he used to live a couple blocks from\nhere. They were all good and I liked them. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1860.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Audrey -- at first she was in school,\nbut she was out of Peabody, I think, the year Jeannette went in. So she was out\nof Peabody, but I knew her, and I met her family, and she had a sister that went\nto Peabody along with Jeannette.\n\nAudrey and I became friends after she graduated from Peabody because I got to\nknow her mother. And through her mother, I got to know Audrey better. Audrey and\nI became very, very close. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1920.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And she was like my daughter and she probably\naccepted me as her father. Her father was also a very talented musician that\nplayed by ear. But I understand that he was very, very good. So that's how\nAudrey probably picked up her talent, through her father. I used to try to\nencourage her, while your father lived get a tape of his playing. And she always\nintended to do it, but she never got around to doing it.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Where did he play? Did he play for pleasure?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: I imagine during those days, at house rent parties.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh yes.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: And I can imagine him being the life of the party. [Laughter]\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=1980.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because I came during that time where you'd find one musician playing here and\nhe'd get too tight to play anymore, and another one took his place. And where\nthey came from I don't know, but we had a lot of musicians around. Played by\near, but they could play. And he was one of the players at the time. He did very\nwell. He was exceptionally good, played by ear, and he was always the life of\nthe party.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now I remember someone, I can't remember who it was, I wish I\ncould, who was telling me about when he started becoming a musician -- he said\none of the old timers encouraged him. And they said, \"Son, if you can play an\ninstrument, you can always pay your rent.\" And he mentioned the rent parties.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: House rent parties. Great. House rent parties. Yes. I can tell\nyou about this.\n\nEDNA WALTERS: I can go along with that because playing for the church, there was\nalways a little income coming from that.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: But those house rent parties, they were very popular for a\nlong time.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Very popular. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2040.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what knocked them out is when the juke box\ncame in. Not necessarily the big juke boxes. Of course, that did it too, but\nthey had the small recording machines. And then the records, and you'd get that\nplaying. You'd have a house rent party, and then you'd buy a record player, and\nthat took the place of the piano. But that was a big thing, up until about the\nlast of the '30s or early '40s. That was a big thing.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: It sounded like it must have been an awful lot of fun.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Well, I enjoyed it. [Laughter] I enjoyed them. Yes. But actually\nit petered out by the time I was going through my latter teens. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2100.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The house rent\nparties kind of petered out. But I remember a lot of good house rent parties,\ngood piano players, and they were just the life of the party. And the record\nplayer came in, and then, of course, that kind of knocked that off, by the time\nthe juke box came in. You didn't have to have a piano in your house to have a\nhouse rent party. They'd get a juke box.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So Audrey's father was a talented musician?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: I understand. I never heard him play, but according to his wife,\nhe was in demand. He was very good. And according to her, I assume that Audrey\ntook her music talents from him. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2160.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's too bad that during those days you\ndidn't have the tapes that you could play later on.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, it must have been really quite exciting to come down to\nhear [Jeannette's] first recital at Peabody.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Yes.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Do you remember? Can you tell me about that?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: About Jeannette's?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yes.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Everything Jeannette did was exciting. She wanted to make it\nexciting. You have to come. Well, I'm coming anyhow. And you have to do this and\nyou have to do that. So we tried to lean towards some of the things that she\nwants to do. So we went down there always with great expectations. And she\nalways did well. But all of the things that we had to do -- it wasn't necessary\nbecause she got us to bring flowers down there to present to her and that wasn't\npermitted. [Laughter] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2220.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That wasn't permitted. You couldn't do that.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: They let you do that now.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: They do?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yes.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Well, do you know when they wouldn't?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh, yes, I do.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: But she would always con us into it. Because everything she did\nwas extra, and she had to do those things. She had to have flowers, and so and\nso. We knew better, but we believed her. [Laughter]\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh my goodness. That's wonderful.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: She would be out of town for an engagement, and if she was\ncoming back in, she would call her friends to meet her at the airport because\nshe was coming in and she wanted a reception committee down there to meet her.\nAnd Ernie, Maurice, and a music group, they'd be down there to meet her at the\nairport. And so she'd walk out in style, and those people meeting her. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2280.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was a\ngood show person, and showmanship. She had a love of attention, and she loved\nwhat she was doing, and it's amazing how many friends she had in the music\nfield. Because those people had plenty of talent themselves, but they just liked\nJeannette's personality because there was always something going on, the life of\nthe party when she was there.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: She had a wonderful warmth about her. And, well, I think any\nsuccessful soprano has got to have a big streak of the diva, and I'm sure she\nhad that. But she was always fun to be around and so warm, and that was such a\nwonderful thing.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2340.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's something we really miss as a family because every\nyear we were together. In fact, we were together four, five, six times a year.\nEvery time it was, let's get together. We didn't really need a reason; we'd get\ntogether. And the five boys -- it was a matter of being at John's house,\nAlfred's house, Edward's house, Junior's house or being here. And so every\nholiday there was a gathering. But she walked in, it was like a new party\nstarting because she made it coming down from New York. She was always the life\nof the party, and that is something we really miss now.\n\nI have a grandson. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2400.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He's not like Jeannette, but when he walks in, he's the life\nof the party. He does it his way. But Jeannette came in and did it her way. So\nwhen we have a party, get-together now, like Thanksgiving, Christmas, or Labor\nDay or whatever holiday it may be, we always expect our grandson to be there\nbecause that level is going to change when he gets there. Like the level changed\nwhen Jeannette walked into the house. We miss that. We miss that. But I say\nthank God, we had it.\n\nI really miss her. Really miss her. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2460.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You can't change things, but I learned so\nmuch about my daughter after her death because I got letters from overseas, from\nmany countries, which said, \"Mr. Walters, we're so sorry to hear of your\ndaughter's death. She was such a person, and I'm talking to you as if I really\nknow you because every time she came to visit us she would talk about you.\" And\nso it was just good to hear that. Even my children when she was away, she always\nremembered home. And more than one said it. I got four or five, six different\nletters, and they all mentioned basically the same thing -- that your daughter\nalways spoke of you. And you got to feel good. Feel good.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And then going on to the Met [Opera] audition.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Yes. Well, that's something not everybody can get into. I want\nto say win, lose or draw, you were there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2520.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you had to be something to be\nconsidered even to be there. You can't have everybody finish first or second.\nBut it's just nice to be into the ballgame.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: But what a thrilling experience to be up there, and, you know,\njust to be surrounded by all of that. I mean, it's one thing to be able to\nlisten to the Met broadcast on Saturday afternoon, and another thing altogether\nto be there. Did you go up to the audition?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Yes. We were there. Actually we were up there, and I'm looking\ndown, and boy, you were up there looking down, singing to all those people. And\nup there, you know, you're looking down. If you're not used to being on a large\nstage, looking down, it can catch you off balance. You have to be careful that\nyou don't want to fall over. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2580.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I'm thinking, if I was down there singing, how\nwould I feel? It had to do something to you. But we were there. We were there.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Did she say what it did to her? What it was like singing from\nthat stage?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: I don't remember any conversation we had about how she felt at\nthat time. But I am sure that she felt very good about it, and not winning, she\nnever complained about not winning. And I don't really believe that would have\nany effect on her determination of going ahead. In fact, it didn't seem to have,\nbecause she worked just as strong trying to continue in the direction she wanted\nto go. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2640.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it was.\n\nEDNA WALTERS: She was a teacher also.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: How soon after Peabody did she go into teaching? Do you remember?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: At least five years. Because teaching was something she didn't\nwant to get into. She wanted to perform. And of course she did quite a bit of\ntraveling before she started teaching. She started teaching at C.W. Post, Long\nIsland University. I don't remember what year. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2700.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On a part time basis, and then\nshe'd start enjoying what she was doing because she told me that she had never\nthought she would enjoy teaching, but when she got into it, she started liking\nwhat she was doing. And I know when they formed an opera workshop there, I think\nshe pushed, lead the group in performing the opera workshop. And they performed\nevery year. They would do different operas. And I know she was at the head of it.\n\nAnd every year at the end of the semester, they would go on a tour, and they\nwould perform in different countries. Like the year that she died, they had a\ntour in Portugal, Africa, coming back to Italy, coming back to the United\nStates, and that's the year that she died. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2760.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was coming back to Italy and she\ntook sick, and we got a call to meet the plane at Kennedy Airport because they\nwanted someone to be responsible for her when she got off the plane and take her\nhome. Went to New York because we were in Baltimore. But we went there to meet\nthe plane -- she had, flying over, passed out in the plane. But they brought her\nback, and at the airport the ambulance met her and took her to the hospital\nthere, which was Long Island. She had a heart attack in Long Island. But I\ntalked to her before then at the hospital, and she seemed to be doing very well.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2820.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She knew us, and \"I'm getting good, Daddy,\" and so on.\n\nBut the doctor says they didn't want me to spend too much time with her. They\nwanted to get her a bed, and told me to go back to the hotel and call back\nlater. So we went back to Manhattan and we were there about an hour, and got a\ncall from the hospital to come back to the hospital, and she had passed away.\n\nShe did the things that she liked to do. She died in her glory.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2880.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Everybody was in just a total state of shock. I mean, they\ncouldn't believe that it had happened. She was one of our golden girls, and we\nthought it was just going to go on forever.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: You know the thing about it, I felt real bad about it and still\nfeel bad about it. But then again, I say how lucky she was. She lived till she\nwas fifty-two or fifty-three, and there are so many people who never had a\nchance to make it that long.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=2940.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's right.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: There's a lot of talent, and the question of why, why, why. You\ncan't answer that. So you have to be thankful that she made it fifty-three years\nand she was happy those years. And she was doing the things that she enjoyed doing.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: She did. She did. And did them well.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: I think she did. Yes.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now your son -- after leaving Peabody, where?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: First he went into the Navy. First he taught school, I think\nabout a year.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I can't remember. Where was he teaching?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Catholic school on Wilkins Avenue.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Okay.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: And he enlisted in the Navy from there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3000.0,3060.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think, of course, he\nplayed at Painter's Mill, and became a band contractor there before he went into\nthe Navy. He played in the Navy band. Nixon's concert band there. And while in\nthe Navy, he got his master's at American University. And he's now on the staff\nat University of Maryland in College Park in instrumental music and he's doing\nvery well.\n\nHe was a band contractor in the National Theater in Washington and a few other\nplaces there in Washington. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3060.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it keeps him busy as a band contractor and his\njob at the University of Maryland and he is at Wolf Trap [Center for the\nPerforming Arts].\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, he has done very well.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: And he loves what he's doing also. And it makes it easier to do.\nEdward was a person that loved music. You would say, stop blowing your horn,\nit's too late. When he came home from school -- he was in the lower level --\nhe'd go into the basement and start on his horn, and until bedtime he was down\nthere on his horn. You'd have to stop him from playing.\n\nAnd you didn't have to call him in the house to get the lessons. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3120.0,3180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You'd have to\nsay, get out of the house and stop practicing! He loved what he was doing so I\nguess a lot of his success is because he worked hard at what he was doing.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And it doesn't seem like work if you love what you're doing.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Right. Right. As you say it, you like what you're doing, it's\nnot work. It's just doing what you like to do. And in a case like his, and I\nhate to compare the two, Jeannette had the natural ability and she did enough to\nget by. Edward might not have had the natural ability, but he worked hard to get\nby. I guess you can understand that.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I understand.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Yes. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3180.0,3240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But both did very well. Well, both did very well.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I've known musicians, young ones, that came to Peabody that\nhave had to battle their parents to go into music as a profession. And that\nsounds like that never was an issue here.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: No. No. No. No. I would never! If they asked my advice, what do\nyou think I should do, I would give it to them. But you do what you want to do,\nwhat you feel like doing. If I feel that's a legit thing, you go into what you\nfeel like doing.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Did they ask your advice?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Well, I think they did. But I told Edward, I'd like to see him\nbe a lawyer, but he never went into law. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3240.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I told Jeannette I would like to see\nher go into art or these commentators that talk to people. Go into that field.\nBecause she loved to talk, and so I think she'd be great.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: She'd be a natural broadcaster.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Yes, that's what I tried to get her into. I suggested that. Or\nart, because she's good at art. But she was leaning towards the music and I\ncouldn't knock that either. Because, you know, if she can't make it to the top\n-- you know, it's pretty tough getting to the top.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, it's just tough getting in the business.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: But you still have enough ability, you can still make a living.\nNo, you can't all get to the top. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3300.0,3360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But so long as you have enough money to\nsupport yourself and be responsible, that's fine. Getting to the top may not be\nwhere you want to be after all once you get there.\n\nEDNA WALTERS: Oh, she loved to travel, loved to travel.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: And she did quite a bit of it. Every year she'd be out of the\nStates for a period of time. She had connections overseas that I wasn't aware of\nuntil I got letters about things that she was doing over there.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3360.0,3420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, what was Miss Audrey Cyrus [McCallum] like when you met\nher for the first time?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Audrey. I just took her as a talented person. She wasn't an\noutgoing person per se, not like my daughter. But she can express herself. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3420.0,3480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She\ncould take care of herself and look out for herself. And I just look at a quiet\nkid and pianist that went about her business, and when her business was\nfinished, she was ready to go home. And I always knew Audrey was a good, very\ngood person who happened to be talented. She could have been a performing artist\noutside of the city of Baltimore. That's what I thought about her. Whether it\ncould have happened or not, I don't know. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3480.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I think if she was a person that\nwould travel, didn't mind traveling, and would be seeking that type of\nsituation, she could have made it there.\n\nOf course, she made it anyhow. She's well known among musicians in Baltimore.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yes.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: But outside of Baltimore, it's a different story. She never blew\nher own horn.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: But my goodness, when you walk into a room where she's\nplaying, you know you're listening to something special. Very elegant,\nremarkable person. And what about Mr. Maurice Murphy? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3540.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When did you first meet him?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Of course, at Peabody when Jeannette was there. And I know him\nmostly because at one time he accompanied Jeannette. And, of course, he was\nplaying for the church, and directing the choir for his church, and then finally\ngoing to Peabody, going back to get his master's. He got his doctorate too,\ndidn't he? And he was a talented person. He was very talented. And that's\nprobably what I have to say about Murphy, Maurice.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3600.0,3660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's interesting looking at that first group of African\nAmerican students that came to Peabody and everyone went on to achieve a career.\nIt's not an easy thing, even to be on the lower rungs, you have to work so hard,\nand you have to have a fair amount of luck. And the fact that every single one\nof that first group got their careers, and did very well for themselves, I think\nis just really quite something.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: I can't think of his name. Brown? He was there when Jeannette\nwas there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3660.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He played the piano, and when he left Peabody, he went up, up Midland\nPark someplace at a White school, and he taught a choral group there. He was\nvery good at it.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh, when you said Brown, I immediately thought of Bill Brown\nthe tenor, but he was later.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: It's a shame his name slipped my mind, and I've run into him,\nnot lately but at different times I'd run into him. It wasn't Bill Brown. I\nhaven't heard about him in the past ten years. I just wondered what he's doing.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I will find out and let you know.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Because he went there during Jeannette's time, but he was into\npiano and kind of jazz music. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3720.0,3780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they went to Roland Park Country School and he\nwas the first Black up there, and probably the only Black in the school. And\ntaking care of those kids and teaching them, he had to have something to offer.\nBut he did have a choral, nice group. So you'd read about him at different times\nhere and different places. I was just wondering what he was doing now.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, I will find out and let you know. Well, you have raised\ntwo very successful musicians. Tell me about the rest of the boys. What are they\ndoing? And who has this young grandson? Who's the one with the grandson that\nworks the room on holidays? [Laughter]\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Well, that's my eldest son. I call him Junior, Roland Walters,\nJr. He has two sons, Randy and Reggie. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3780.0,3840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Randy at high school played football and\nwrestled. Reggie, his younger brother, in high school also played football. He\nwanted to be like his older brother. They both are teaching school now. And\nthat's about it.\n\nMy oldest son, Roland, he works for the railroad, an engineer on the Manassas\nSouthern Line. Of course, Edward is in music. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3840.0,3900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Next one, Alfred, sells the chips\nthat work in computers, and he does very well in that business. John is in the\ncontracting business, Walters Relocations, Inc. My youngest son, Danny, is doing\nthe same thing, but he's working with another company.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3900.0,3960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How many grandchildren are there now?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Rough guess -- about fifteen.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, all in all, a couple of musicians ought to come out of there.\n\nEDNA WALTERS: Well, Randy, is really a singer.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=3960.0,4020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He's good at it, and he's trying to make it in the singing world\nbecause bird in the hand, he's teaching. But he's still looking. He'd like to be\na musician. I have stepchildren, as my oldest boy remarried. His wife died, and\nhe married and the girl he remarried has two daughters. But they're like sisters\nand brothers. They jelled very well. And they don't want to be referred to as my\nstep- or half-brother. That's my brother and that's my sister. So that's been\nvery well. And we have a great grandchild, great grandchild Victoria. And she's\nfour years old now. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=4020.0,4080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But she wanted to be heard. Now she wants to be the life of\nthe party, even at four years old. When she walks in, she wants attention immediately.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Can she whistle? [Laughter]\n\nEDNA WALTERS: That was something that Jeannette could do when she was very\nlittle. Very small rather, she could whistle.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, we'll have to keep an eye on this four-year-old when she\nstarts whistling. We'll see what goes on.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Her father works for Legg Mason. Alfred's the grandson of the\nfourth child.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=4080.0,4140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sounds like a wonderful family.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=4140.0,4200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think we've been very, very, very fortunate. My wife must have\nbeen doing something right. [Laughter] What I don't know.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, it seems like she had good taste in gentlemen, and it\nlooks like you chose well too.\n\nEDNA WALTERS: Well, having five sons, he was a good father. They didn't fool\nwith him. They played with me, but they didn't fool with their father. He had\nhis rules and they followed them.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: You know, probably as far as to the door. You have guidelines to\ngo by, and when they get around the corner they're going to have their own way.\nI couldn't really do too much, but they really tried to do the best they could.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=4200.0,4260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now nobody is on the sidelines all the way. They might realize I can't do too\nmuch now because I want to get back home.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, would you worry if they did.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: But I'm glad that they realized that there's a line here. I'm\nnot going too far away from that line there because I want to get back. And a\nlot of things that my kids did I didn't find out about it until after they were\ngrown. A girl in my church told me that, \"You know, when Junior used to come\npast and pick us up in the car--\" I let him use the car. He was at Morgan [State\nUniversity]. And they would be going someplace. \"Oh, we'd go over in New\nJersey.\" [Laughter] You know, I didn't. I had a car that I wouldn't take around\nthe block. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=4260.0,4320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I didn't want to take too many chances with it. And they'd get\nback and I never asked them where they'd go. But she said, \"Oh, we used to go to\nall these different places.\" At church, that particular group that he traveled\nwith, they used to like to harmonize, sing, and they'd go different places to\nsing, which I didn't know because no, don't take my car to Jersey.\n\nHe didn't tell me. He said can I borrow the car for an hour or two. So you don't\nknow everything your kids are doing, and you don't want to know the things that\nthey are doing. You just hope that they don't get into trouble.\n\nI know I loaned my car to Edward to drive to Peabody. Took one of his buddies\nwith him down to Peabody, and then they came home. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=4320.0,4380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His buddy said, \"Can I drive\nthe car home?\" He says, \"Go ahead.\" So he's pulling away from Peabody, and on\nCharles Street, the police car stopped him because he forgot to turn his lights\non. So the police stopped him. \"Let's see your driver's license.\" I think he\ngave him Edward's driver's license. Something was wrong. He didn't know the\nphone number; he didn't know the address. Anyhow, Edward had let that boy,\nDavid, drive the car. Now Edward knew that was a no-no. So they took them to the\nstation house, Edmondson Avenue and Frederick Street, and the police came by my\nhouse about eleven, twelve-thirty at night. [Makes knocking noise]. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=4380.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I\nrealized who was there, I figured auto accident or something. He asks, \"You have\na son named Edward?\" \"Yes, I have a son.\" \"We got him down the police station.\nCome down.\" So went down there, but the police told me he saw the driver's\nlicense, said, \"What's your name? What's the address? He couldn't remember.\" [Laughter]\n\nSo anyhow, they took him in. Went down and got him out. But that's just before\nEdward went in the Navy. And I got a letter from him later on in the Navy that\nhe reminded me of that time. He said he's glad that he was thinking of catching\na lot of noise from it. I didn't make a lot of noise about it. It's something\nthat happened. It's an experience. No one was hurt. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=4440.0,4500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was concerned. But\nsomething can happen and you just don't want to be responsible for those kinds\nof things. In the meantime he and David had to go to the DMV, had to go to\nschool for a period of time on probation. But I never really had trouble with\nthem. But you still don't know what kids are doing once they're out of house.\nBecause once they're out of the house, sometime they don't know what they're\ngoing to do, either. Something pops up.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, it sounds like they did all right.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: Yes. And I'm so glad.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So what kind of advice would you give somebody who was raising\na couple of musicians?\n\nROLAND WALTERS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=4500.0,4560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I would say if you're inclined to like music, and I'd hope\nthat they would be inclined to like music, try to go along with it, and try to\nbe involved as much as you can. But just don't try to interfere with their music\nor talk them out of it. If they really love it, don't try to talk them out of it\nbecause they have to go into the direction they want to go. One would be a\ndoctor and one wants to be a gambler. Now, you know, you may tell the guy\ngambling's the wrong way to go, and maybe you're right. It may be right for him.\nBut if you want to be a lawyer, and may not turn out to be a lawyer, he might\nturn out to be a crooked lawyer. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=4560.0,4620.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You have to go the direction you want to go.\n\nYou try to set guidelines because anything you get into you can make\ncomplicated. There are some gamblers that you'd have more faith in than people\nwho are in other fields. So that doesn't really make a man out of a person as\nfar as giving my word. If I tell you something and can't back up my word, that\nmeans nothing. You know, if I've been doing you for years and I've learned to\ntrust you, I'll bank on that. I'll bank on that until you prove that I'm wrong.\n\nSo that's one thing. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=4620.0,4680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508/transcript/39162/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Make a promise, try to make a serious promise, and if you\ncan't keep that promise, talk to that person about it and try to work things\nout. I can't continue doing this because I feel that I'm going in the wrong\ndirection, or it's hurting me in other ways. So I have to stop doing certain\nthings. And it's good to have faith in people, but I think it's good to get a\nperson a reason to have faith in you.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, I think Audrey's faith in you was well placed.\n\nROLAND WALTERS: She's a good girl.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Thank you so much for letting me come and bother both of you.\n\n[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44176/file/117508#t=4680.0,4740.0"}]}]}]}