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She appeared at Town Hall in Philadelphia and Carnegie Hall Recital Hall in New York. She taught voice for many years and served as supervisor of performing arts for the Baltimore City Department of Recreation.\u003c/p\u003e (Abstract)","\u003cp\u003ePoor audio quality and low levels present on source media.\u003c/p\u003e (physical description)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2002-04-29 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Moragne, Fannie Newton, 1924-2009 (Interviewee)","Coe, Megan (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English (Primary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["audio/mp3"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins University"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThe collection is open for use. 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I was educated\nin public schools. I went to William Alexander School #112, then to junior high\nschool, and from there to Douglass High School -- graduated in the Class of 1942.\n\nAs a child, I was interested in music, drama, dance, athletics, and participated\nin all those activities.\n\nMEGAN COE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In what ways did you participate, especially music?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Well, I was in an elementary school that did operettas\nand plays and drama all of the time because we were known as a platoon school.\nWe moved around from class to class and had different teachers. The music\nteacher was Elmira Miller, who was a tremendous influence, not only in\nchildhood, but right through my life for many, many years.\n\nWe did all kinds of children's musicals of course. And we're still speaking of\nchildhood, because I haven't gotten to junior high school or senior high school yet.\n\nSo musically I guess that's about what I did, except that I did have piano\nlessons. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I studied with Caroline Johnson Dugan -- Duggin. Now you see I'm\nforgetting for a moment. Because she became Caroline Cole later in school, but I\nknew her by Duggin. Thank you memory, thank you God! Caroline Duggin was her name.\n\nI also was involved with music and of course with dance. Because we used all of\nthe classical music for our dance recitals and concerts. Marsh Calloway's wife,\nJulia, was our accompanist for our concerts. We did some of the concerts at the\nLyric Theater at that point in time.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheldon Hoskins was my dance teacher. And, of course, music all became involved\nwith him because we did all kinds of dancing: Toe, tap, ballet, Spanish, modern\ndance, interpretive dance. We didn't call it modern at that time. It was\ninterpretive dance. We did all of that.\n\nEarl Bostick's wife was sort of my dance teacher prior to going to Sheldon\nHoskins. And just a word about Sheldon: He was taken into the Metropolitan Opera\nas a dance teacher years later, but did not survive because he was quite ill at\nthe time they took him. But he was a tremendous dancer. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was also very\ninstrumental. See you're asking me about music, but it all revolves around many\nthings for me because he was instrumental in my doing a lot of theater and drama\nwork. He was a drama teacher as well as some of the others I had at that time.\n\nMEGAN COE: And where exactly in Baltimore did you grow up?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: In Northwest Baltimore, around this area and Gilmor\nStreet, the eleven hundred block of Gilmor Street. And sometimes the sixteen\nhundred block because my grandmother lived there. I was jostling back and forth\nfrom one place to the other many, many times because my granny and I were good\nfriends. And many times we would be going out together different places. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I might\nbe spending weekends with her.\n\nMEGAN COE: Did you have siblings?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: No brothers, no sisters. My father died when I was\nfourteen months old, and my mother chose not to remarry until I was just about,\nwell, I was a young adult. I was at least sixteen when she remarried. She did\nnot believe in children of different parents. That's not exactly how she said\nit, but she did not think that siblings from different mothers and fathers got\nalong too well, and she preferred my not having them. That's the reason I got\nfrom her anyway.\n\nMEGAN COE: Then once you were in middle school and high school, how did you\nevolve musically?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I immediately went to the operatic, music section in high\nschool. We'll skip junior high school because there wasn't too much going on\nthere. I mean, I did have a good teacher, but nothing much was happening with\nmusic. But when I did go to high school, I immediately went to the music and\ndrama coach, and we did a lot of operettas. Llewelyn Wilson was his name, and I\nthink he taught most of the children in Baltimore who went to Douglass High\nSchool during his time anyway.\n\nMEGAN COE: Then after high school?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Well, for a while I didn't do anything because I had not\ndecided to go immediately into college. But my church was having a talent show,\nand everybody was clamoring for me to be on this talent program, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I didn't\nhave anything I wanted to do. They came at the last minute clamoring for me\nbecause they didn't have anybody for the show, I believe.\n\nBut anyway, I guess it's funny because I decided I'd go. I didn't have any music\nI wanted to sing. Out of everything I had learned, I decided I wanted to do a\ntenor solo. And so I grabbed a tenor solo from the last operetta we had done at\nhigh school, and I really don't remember\n\nwhether it was Conchita or whether it was something else. I don't think it was\nConchita because that was a Spanish thing, and this was not a Spanish piece.\n\n\"You're the girl I'm longing.\" See, bringing back things that I haven't thought\nof for years and years and years and years. Anyway, I went to that talent\ncontest, and I won it. And the prize was a scholarship to any school I wanted to\nattend. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was a little late for me to get into school for that particular\nyear. I had to get a lot of information gathered to go along with the Senatorial\nscholarship. So I did not enter college for another semester or so.\n\nWhere are we? This is the college.\n\nMEGAN COE: Yes.\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Well, I chose Howard University. And in a way I had\nwanted to go to Juilliard, but that was going to take me a little far away from\nhome, and I didn't really have money for anything, to be absolutely frank. I\nknew that my mother and I could not afford Juilliard. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I decided to stick with\nHoward, and I commuted every day by train to Howard.\n\nThat was very interesting. We didn't have money sometimes to ride the train. I\ndon't know if you want to know all of this or not.\n\nMEGAN COE: Anything about. [Laughter]\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Well, sometimes the conductors would be very nice, and\nthey knew we were going to school, and they would just kind of permit us to get\non the train. We don't have a ticket. We didn't get a chance to get a ticket\nthis morning. That's okay. And we would get on the train and ride. And other\ntimes, we would really just change tickets from one student to another. Take a\nbook and go up the aisle and pass the conductor and give our train pass to\nsomeone else to use.\n\nNow that's terrible, but that's what we had to do. We did not have funds to do\nall of these things. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Many times I walked to the train station. I lived in the\nsix hundred block of Fulton Avenue. And at that time I was little older and had\nmoved from the area that we lived in, but it was still northwest Baltimore. And\nI would walk sometimes the six blocks from my home to the train station because\nI didn't have money, five cents, to ride downtown to catch the train. I'd just\nget on at the station, the sub-station, and ride from there to Washington.\n\nAnd then that wasn't the end of the tale. Because when I got on the other end, I\nwouldn't have money to ride from Washington Station to Howard University\nsometimes. And, oh, you'd have to know how far that was to walk! I never counted\nthe distance, but I have walked from that station in Washington, D.C. all the\nway to Howard University campus. I would go a back route because I was ashamed\nto tell the other students I didn't have money to ride the bus. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because if we\nhad to stay for concerts that evening, I needed my ten cents to get a cup of\ncoffee and a couple slices of toast.\n\nAnd so I found my way to Howard by walking one street over from the main car\nline. And that would take quite a bit of energy because it was quite a few miles\nfrom the station to school. But I made it. I'm still here. I'm not well, but I'm\nstill here.\n\nMEGAN COE: And then when you were at Howard, what did you study and who did you\nstudy under?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: All right. Well, we had to have a full music course if we\nwere going to graduate as music students. I was a voice major, piano minor. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I\nstudied pedagogy, solfege -- don't do this to me -- composition, harmonic\nanalysis, everything that the School of Music would offer. We had to take\nliberal arts subjects as well. We didn't get by those very easily.\n\nMadeline Coleman was my theory teacher, one of my very good ones. Evelyn White\nwas another exceptionally good theory teacher I had. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I can't forget a good\nfriend, a student teacher, who was also studying at that time, Henry Kindlam,\nwho later accompanied me many times on concerts. He's a Russian fellow who had\nstarted school later in his life, but he was an excellent musician -- fantastic.\nHe could do anything. And I think I, as well as every other student who wasn't a\npiano major, learned as much from him as we did from our teachers most of the time.\n\nMEGAN COE: Now, while you were in college, were you performing?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Oh, we were not allowed to perform when we were in\ncollege. That was a professional thing. Now I did do some, well I guess you'd\ncall it volunteer work. But that's not the name they gave it. I can see a\npicture of me now, a soloist for the blind association. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I worked for handicapped\nthings. But it was not for pay.\n\nMEGAN COE: And then once you graduated from college, what did you do then?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: One of the first things I did -- ah, let me tell you a\nsecond thing I did. I don't know whether it was first or second now. [Laughter]\nThings jam all up together. I can't really remember whether I went on a goodwill\ntour first or whether I started teaching at Baltimore Institute of Musical Arts\nfirst. They both ran sort of simultaneously together, and I probably was doing\none and the other one at the same time.\n\nMEGAN COE: Why don't you tell me about the goodwill tour?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Okay. The goodwill tour was a three thousand mile tour of\nthe United States. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Somehow or other I had connected with a gentleman in Camden,\nNew Jersey, who had a very small group. It was about seven or eight. And we had\na nice big town car that we drove all over the United States -- to sing in\nchurches predominantly. I think sometimes that he was making up the schedule as\nwe went along. I don't think we really had a schedule, even though he had\npromised us money. And it was a goodwill tour because I did go for nothing. [Laughter]\n\nI really didn't get any money going; I didn't get any money coming but it was an\n\nexperience, traveling all through Texas in the tumbleweeds of the desert and\neverything because the roads, the highways, were not like they are now. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can\nrecall several times being caught in\n\nbig, heavy sand and rain storms when we would have to just pull over and stop\nbecause they had no lights. There were no highways like they are now.\n\nAnd it would be rather frightening, nothing but the lightning flashing, and the\nthunder would be devastating. Many times we stayed in people's homes. That's why\nI don't think too many things were pre-arranged as I'd been told. And they were\nlooking for places for us to stay.\n\nSome of that tour was pretty interesting. We would come into places with nowhere\nto go to get meals or a change of clothes. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We would go into their city halls,\nbut, of course, the men -- there were three men with us, the driver, another\nmale singer and the leader -- they would go in to some of these places to look\nthem over first. And they would be too horrendous for them to take the females\ninto. So then they'd have to drive around in the various communities until they\nfound something in the colored sections of town. Maybe someone had businesses\nthere, and they would allow us to come in and use their facilities in order to\nget ourselves washed and dressed to perform for wherever we were going to be\nperforming that night.\n\nSometimes eating was very difficult. We would go in places, and they didn't want\nto feed us because we were not white. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Many times they would send me before them\nto get food. I had nice beautiful hair at that time because I didn't have\nthyroid and kidney problems which have changed all of that. And the big earrings\nand everything. Especially around Texas area, they didn't know whether I was\nSpanish or Mexican or not, and so I would be accepted in to get food for us.\n\nIf I stayed in too long and someone came to find out how things were going and\nthey realized I was with other colored people, then they didn't want to give us\nthe food. I remember two days eating nothing but Lifesavers while we traveling\nthrough Texas.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was very belligerent about a lot of it because I didn't know prior to that\ntime that I wasn't white. I didn't know it was a difference -- not that I\nthought I was white. I didn't know there was any difference in us because I had\ngrown up in a culture with my mother having been from -- well, she was a\nBaltimorian, but she was reared in New Jersey and she didn't suffer all of the\nprejudices. So when she came back here I was purchased -- born, purchased\n[laughter] -- when I was born, she tried to keep me from as many bad situations\nas she could. And she did.\n\nNow I'm going to reverse for a few moments because she used to take me to the\nLyric Theater when we were not permitted to go to the Lyric Theater. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She would\njust call and order tickets and have them hold them at the box office, and she'd\ngo down and pick them up, and we would go in. Now, we couldn't afford to sit\nanywhere but in the balcony, but we would sit there. And there would be people\nwho would move during intermission because they did not want to sit next to us.\nI never could understand. I'd say, Mom, why did they move? What's the matter?\nAnd she'd say nothing honey. There's not a thing wrong with you. There's\nsomething wrong with them so that's why they moved. And I'd say, oh, okay.\n\nSo I really didn't understand and realize what was going on. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, as I said, I\nwas at least about twenty-seven before that whole realization struck me dead in\nthe face. But that's still another story.\n\nMEGAN COE: Okay. So then you said you taught?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: At the Baltimore Institute of Musical Arts. This was the\nold WFBR radio station at Lanvale and Fremont Avenue. I had met Herman Schwarz.\nWell, I met him through the Taubmans for whom I worked while I was in college on\noccasion, some weekends. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Taubmans owned auto stores in the city, and they\nused to have me come out. It was very funny because I didn't know anything about\nhousework or anything, but she would still allow me to do work. Then she\nrealized that I was in college and had other skills. I would sometimes become\nher personal secretary and write letters to her friends for whatever time she\nwanted to use me.\n\nOtherwise, I was running around telling the help what to do, and I didn't know\nwhat to do. Mrs. Taubman says that you are to clean such and such a room and\nchange the linens and whatever. Well, anyway, she was friends with the\nSchwarzes. But anyway, she invited them to dinner, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and then she had me sing for\nthem. He immediately asked if I would like to teach at the school and do private\nvoice teaching.\n\nI really did not want to be a teacher, not in school situations. I had had\nsimultaneously some substitute work at Harvey Junior High School. It wasn't a\nvery nice experience. The guys were larger than I, the girls were larger than I.\nEven in those days there were some little smart alecks that you had to deal\nwith. And when I found myself dealing with one quite firmly one day, carrying\nhim by the collar to the principal's office, and telling her that I would not\nwork there any longer. I could not tolerate the foolishness that they thought\nthey could get away with with the music teacher. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They couldn't do that with me.\nMaybe with some, but I wasn't one of that group! And so I never went back to\nteach there again.\n\nAnd so I only had the job at Musical Institute at that time. I taught a rather\ngood student there. In fact, one young lady was bringing her sister, and I found\nout that she could play the piano. She was thirteen years old. She was an\nexcellent pianist. She could sight read anything she saw. I said, wow, I can't\ndo this. So I'm going to take you under my wing. I didn't tell her that per se,\nbut that's what I did. I began to teach her and coach her in how to accompany a\nsinger, and she, several years later, accompanied me many times around the city\nwhen I sang. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And her name was Audrey Cyrus [McCallum]. I mean, she's one of the\nyoung people you'll probably be interviewing. Not you, but someone else, later on.\n\nAnd then there was Junetta Jones who always lived in my studio. She's also\nsomebody that you're probably going to be interviewing. Junetta made her home\nthere in my studio when she did not have class. She learned most of my music,\nand used it, utilized it from time to time in her concerts later on in her life.\n\nWilliam Meyers was another one of my good students, and for years he taught at\nDulaney Valley High School and had a group called the Young Americans. God, why\ndidn't I review any of this? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the best students, and most well known,\nwould be Jimmy McDonald -- James McDonald -- but Jimmy is what they called him\nas he went on. He seemed like a very arrogant young man. He knew everything! Why\nare you coming to me? You hardly want to listen! But he was listening. I found\nout later he was really listening to all of my instructions in voice.\n\nBut he had a God-given voice that I had nothing to do with. He sounded like a\ntwenty-five year old man at fifteen, when he first came to me. He did not want\nto study the music I was giving him. He would go to the library every week and\ncome back, singing something that he had heard from other artists' records. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And\nI'd say, Jimmy, why do you do that? You're going to ruin what you have. Let me\nteach you and get your voice stabilized before you begin doing things like this.\n\nWell, he didn't follow my advice. But during the summer, when we were not\nworking, he went to work for a Seventh Day Adventist organization, and they\nfound out he could sing. He also had an opportunity to rescue some children. Up\nin Pennsylvania they had a big flood and he rescued some of the children from\nthe camp who were caught in this big storm and flood.\n\nThe Seventh Day Adventist group adopted him and took him away to sing. He went\naway with them that very next day. He came back and told me in his bold\ntwenty-five year old voice at seventeen that he was going to leave me and go and\nsing for them. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said fine. And he did very well with them.\n\nHe went on from them. I'd come home from work sometimes and turn my TV on and\nthere would be Jimmy. He was with Billy Graham, touring all over the world with\nBilly Graham. I don't believe this. I later found him on Katherine Coulon's\nprogram. He was worthy. He had the most beautiful voice. From there, some years\nlater, he went to sing with Benny Hinn. I never heard him sing with Benny Hinn.\nAt any point in time when I would be in audiences where Jimmy was, and I was on\nseveral occasions, he would always let the audience know that I had been his\nfirst voice teacher.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1680.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now where were we before we got thrown off? [Laughter]\n\nMEGAN COE: At the Institute, you were a voice teacher for them. Were you\ninvolved in the administration at all?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: No. I wasn't involved in most of the other things that\nthey did because the Institute did not last too long. The government took their\nfunds away from the school and because most of the students were veterans --\nmost of them, not all. That meant they didn't really have enough funds to\noperate. But then those students came home to me, and I began to home teach the\nstudents that I had had at the Institute, along with some others.\n\nMEGAN COE: Around what year did the Institute close?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1740.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Somewhere around 1952, about a year or so after I went\nthere. Could have been '53.\n\nMEGAN COE: So then after you were at the Institute, what did you?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Well, I had a big accident which took me off the concert stage.\n\nI had just started doing some concert work, and Dr. Strider from Morgan State\nUniversity, as well as Dean Schwarz, were constantly looking for things for me\nto do in New York and other places and the accident prevented my doing it.\n\nI broke my double ankle bone. I was off the stage for two years and not even on\ncrutches the whole two years because in the beginning I was in a cast. So I had\nto be in bed this most of the time.\n\nThat took me right out of a lot of the things that I thought I was going to be\ndoing. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1800.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I lost contacts that I thought I had and would have had. They don't wait\nfor you.\n\nAgain, Dr. Strider was instrumental in trying to do things for me, and so I did\na big festival at Morgan State University, it was college then, with the\nsymphonic orchestra and the choir. Dean Schwarz took me to New York to audition\nfor Metropolitan Opera Company -- this was like six months after they had\naccepted Marian Anderson. They didn't want to see another one of us. They didn't\nhave another show for another one of us -- not an opera, not an anything that we\ncould do.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1860.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that literally broke my heart. [Laughter] I literally did not want to do\nanything else at that time. Although I had other auditions in New York at that\npoint and later, I auditioned for Eubie Blake -- and strange to end up with my\npicture in his facility downtown [The Eubie Blake National Jazz Institute and\nCultural Center].\n\nMEGAN COE: Oh that's neat. I'd like to see that.\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: But Eubie wanted me to do something I couldn't do because\nI'm not a blues singer. I was a lyric soprano with dramatic qualities but he\nstill wanted me to try. He gave me music to bring home to learn. I never looked\nat it -- didn't know who he was from Adam's house cat at that point in time.\n\nI never found out until around 1990, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1920.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which was some twenty, thirty years later,\nwho Eubie Blake was. I may have pursued something a little more diligently, but\nI didn't. While I was in New York with the Met audition, I also had another\naudition which had been arranged by my husband. We never got into anything about\nthat, but that's good. He's not a part of this. [Laughter]\n\nHis aunt had arranged for me to have an audition with Adolph Zucca. And I went\nto that audition. He had rented little Carnegie Hall for our audition. I met\nwith the accompanist fifteen minutes prior to our audition, and zipped through\nthe music -- I do this this way, and this this way, and do this. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=1980.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, anyway, it\nwas great. He came in and I had no problems. He wanted me to go abroad and sing.\n\nThat's where my problem came. I had two children by that time. I did not tell\nhim anything about the children. It wasn't like just picking up and leaving like\nthat. He wanted me to do three months of study with someone at Peabody whose\nname I don't remember. I haven't been able to remember that person for years.\n\nBut I mean it was all so traumatic. I think I just wanted to divorce myself from\nit to keep from dying internally -- physically and mentally. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2040.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't have the\nmoney to afford to go to study with this person, and my pride would not allow me\nto go to him and tell him I didn't have the money\n\nto study. I didn't have anyone else to go to to say I need x number of dollars.\nI didn't even know how many dollars I needed, to study with him for three months.\n\nAnd Mr. Zucca wanted me to do more coloratura type work because he heard it in\nmy voice, even though I loved the lyric dramatic things that were there. But he\nheard other things that he wanted cultivated. I did not pursue it, much to my\nchagrin over the years. My mother didn't want me to go away anyway. She was\ndubious about flying, and how was I gonna get to Europe.\n\nSo I had to give up on it and then she gave me a very guilty conscience. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2100.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After\nall, I had these children and they were my responsibility. I should not be\nleaving that at that time because they were reaching the age when they would be\ngoing in high school and maybe ready for college.\n\nI had struggled a great deal trying to make headway in the music field, and it\njust wasn't happening. If I had been a pop singer or whatever, I probably would\nhave made it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2160.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Early on in my young life -- and I didn't tell you about that --\njust about every week at the Royal Theater. I had worked for some of the big\nbands at that time and I had been asked to go with one when I was about twelve\nor thirteen years of age -- Jimmie Lunceford's. Of course, my mother put her\nfoot down on that too.\n\nI was too young to be on the road with anything like that. So I naturally didn't\nget to do that, which did not bother me. I wasn't worried. I did have some other\nthings come up evolving around that later on in my life. I just decided I wasn't\ngoing to fight this game any more. It wasn't for me. When people would ask me to\ncome and sing, I would turn them down for the simple reason I had worked hard\nfor what I had, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2220.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I felt, like any doctor or any lawyer, I should be paid.\n\nThey didn't have money to pay for me and an accompanist. I didn't have time to\ncome to sing at a tea to entertain. That was not my idea of what I wanted to do.\nI wanted to do concert work, and that was not it. Entertaining was off the table\nfor me when it came down to that.\n\nI did some concerts before all of these things that I've told you occurred. But\nagain, they were in churches. I used to go every year and work with the choir at\nLincoln University. It was a boys school, and I would go there to work with\nthem. With Orrin Sutherland.\n\nBut whatever I did, I had a full rich life of it, and I can't at this point\nbemoan the fact that I didn't get on a concert stage. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2280.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've sung in Town Hall in\nPhiladelphia, as well as in Carnegie Hall in New York. I sung there with the\nHerman Schwarz chorale. That all came out of the school, the Baltimore\nInstitute, because he had a chorale group there. He asked me if I would go along\nand sing.\n\nI was a soloist, but I didn't sing with the group. I just had my own segments of\nthe program. That's down at Eubie Blake too, except that they had the pictures\nof the people who were singing, and didn't photograph the back of the picture\nwhere the program was printed. A lot of people have told me they have gone there\nlooking for my picture in the program, and it wasn't there. Well, that's because\nI didn't sing with the group. That's why you didn't see me photographed with them.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2340.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay Megan, it's your turn. [Laughter]\n\nMEGAN COE: Okay. Actually, I have another question. The Baltimore Institute. I\nknow it ended, you said it ended in the --\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Early '50s.\n\nMEGAN COE: Was it affected by Peabody, I'm not sure exactly when Peabody started\nletting \"Colored\" students attend?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: It wasn't too long after that that Peabody began to let\nstudents in. Because they began taking all of my students, and I was kind of\nfurious. Even the high schools then began sending students. Some of the high\nschools were sending students to me, and later they then began to send the\nstudents to Peabody thinking that they would get more credit for what they were\ndoing than they would have coming to a private home and studying. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2400.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So yes.\n\nAs a matter of fact, Jimmy went to Peabody, and he told me all the teachers that\nthey were amazed and told him that I had done a terrific job with him. There was\nreally very little that they could have done for him, one way or the other. He\nknew how to breathe, he knew the aspects of singing, and he knew everything\nexcept that he was arrogant and knew what it was God was telling him in his\nhead, what he wanted him to do, and we didn't know that.\n\nBut yes, Dorothy Wilson went there. Junetta Jones went there. Even Audrey Cyrus\nwent. All of this after the school closed, a couple of years later. I don't know\nhow they were influenced. I don't know how that went about. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2460.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was not an\ninquisitive person to that extent. But I do know that they took my students.\n\nHazel Bryant was another one of our very good students, and she went to New York\nand did well, working with a performing arts program there. She was the daughter\nof John Bryant at Bethel AME Church. She came to the school on scholarship.\nProfessor Schwarz and someone else and myself went to audition the young people\nwho were maybe to be given a scholarship and she happened to be the lucky one to\nget it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2520.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had a choice of another person. Someone with a very high, light, fluffy,\nfunny little voice, but I said no, that's not the voice. She has a pretty voice,\nbut take Hazel because she's got a voice that will be easily trained, and there\nis something there to work with. So that's how Hazel got the scholarship with us.\n\nBut, yes, that's a good possibility, and I had not really thought about that.\nThey did take our students once the government took their assistance away. I\ndon't know whether they were sitting around waiting, or whether they had already\nhad eyes on the situation. I don't know they came about doing it, but they did\nget our students.\n\nMEGAN COE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2580.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, the people that we've talked to, much of their singing, their\nmusical expression was through their churches. Did you have a religious life and\nhow did that affect your music?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Well, they tell me I could sing before I could talk. My\nmother always said that. And when I began to talk, I was singing, asking for\nwhatever I wanted in song. [Sings]. But I don't know anything about that.\n\nI know that I was taught French very early on. That has nothing to do with what\nI did in church. I did sing in church with our church choir. We had a children's\nchoir, but I didn't do too much of that. I really didn't sing much with the\nsenior choir later on. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2640.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just occasionally, now and then if they needed a soloist\nor something, I might chip in and help them out.\n\nBut I hate to say it like that because I am a very devout Christian. It's just\nthat I couldn't really mingle my voice with some of the voices that were in the\nchoir for the simple reason that they had not had training. They weren't\nbreathing along with me, and I'd end up with a sore throat. Because it's like\nanything else that's weak. You can pull it right along in your direction. And so\nmy voice, even though it was strong -- they say it was a soaring voice -- but if\nI'm singing with a whole group of people who are singing incorrectly. I hate to\nsay that of church, but anyway, it's true. They were not all breathing at the\nsame point in time, and I had been used to doing that and phrasing. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2700.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it was\nvery difficult for me to sing or want to sing with the church choir.\n\nI did have the opportunity with one of our ministers who wanted me to train the\nchoir vocally. But we never really got down to business where that was\nconcerned. He wanted me to give all the choir lessons.\n\nMEGAN COE: So as an adult, I know you said you kind of gave up on really --\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Singing.\n\nMEGAN COE: Yes. Later on, did you still have music in your life?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Listened. Well, I have sung with the One Voice Choir\nMartin Luther King, Jr. celebrations for a couple of years. Just a couple of\nyears ago, because I really would not normally have done something like that.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2760.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But one of my friends, a young lady whom I had trained very briefly, asked me if\nI would go there to help them out. I said, okay. It'll give me something to do musically.\n\nAnd when our church was having its annual concerts and music workshops, I'd work\nwith them with those things. I wasn't a complete snob, but it wasn't something\nthat I really looked forward to or relished doing.\n\nMEGAN COE: Were you involved in Park Bands?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Oh yes. Oh, I sang with the Park Bands all the time. One\nof my biggest jobs was to sing with Park Bands. I can show you all of that stuff\n-- and gobs of that.\n\nMEGAN COE: And around when was that in your life?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Maybe starting around '53, '54. All of these things, you\nknow, fall in together. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2820.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When one thing stops, something else seemed to crop\nright up.\n\nAs a matter of fact, speaking of the Park Bands, what's his name? Earl Foreman,\nand I'm looking at him too. The Sun Paper sponsored a talent search, music\nconcert or something so that he could get some concerts for the parks in the\nsummertime. I wasn't doing professional singing. I told you my college would not\nhave permitted my doing that, just going out singing to make money. So since I\nwasn't a professional, I had had the accident with my ankle, and had lost those\nopportunities, I said, I may as well try again. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2880.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464/transcript/38442/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is my other effort in\nbetween giving up.\n\nSo I applied for that contest. I guess a hundred and sixty-five people tried\nout, and something like about eighteen or twenty of us were chosen. And that\ngroup got to go to sing in the different parks throughout the summer. Then it\ncame down to a smaller number. We got a lot of publicity. I think the biggest\nthing I got out of that was that Allen Byrd at the Sun Paper had been told by\nSkitch Henderson that of all of the people that he auditioned at the end of the\ncontest --\n\n[END PART ONE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117464#t=2940.0,3000.0"}]}]},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - pims0091_MoragneF-1_02.mp3"]},"duration":1065.03837,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/117/465/small/moragne_photoshop.jpg?1650138578","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-peabody.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/117/465/original/pims0091_MoragneF-1_02.mp3?1624270931","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":1065.03837,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["MoragneF_2_OHMS_20220608 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: -- that touched them because they kicked me out of the\ntop three places and they gave them to three whites. And everybody who came to\nthe big, final concert at Memorial Stadium, oh so many people of all races and\nnationalities, came to tell me how much they had loved hearing me sing, and that\nthe people who were winning should not have won. That did nothing for my ego.\nThat just made me go down, down, down.\n\nIt was kind of demeaning for me, I guess, because there wasn't anything I could\ndo about it. And Mr. Foreman told me, well, Fannie, you don't have to worry.\nNext year when we have this program again you'll be sure to be one of the top\nwinners. I said no I won't because I won't be here. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If I wasn't good enough this\nyear, I won't be good enough next year.\n\nAnd, of course, Adah Jenkins [music critic for the\nAfro-American newspaper] knew about Allen Byrd at the Sun Paper having told me\nwhat Skitch Henderson had said. I wasn't going to that final concert, and I told\nher. And she said don't do that. Don't let your pride stand in the way of your\ngoing and taking the honors that you were due. And I said okay, then on your\naccount I'll go. I had gone to the beach that day. I was so disillusioned. I\ndidn't want to have anything to do with it. I had gotten really nice and dark,\nstayed in the sun. But after talking to her, I decided well, okay, I'll just get\ndressed and go.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's the picture that they have down at the Eubie Blake with Roberta Peters\ngiving me my award.\n\nBut, yes, I did a lot of work with all of the different Park Bands, white and\nblack. Of course, after the contest, I was working with the white bands as much\nas the black. But otherwise I was with the black bands in the different colored neighborhoods.\n\nMEGAN COE: Were the experiences very different between the Park Bands, between\nthe white ones and the black ones?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Not necessarily. The musicians were great either way and\nthere was not a difference there.\n\nMEGAN COE: What was that experience like?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it was always a dress up occasion for me, and I\nwould always have to go and rehearse with the bands a couple times prior to the\nconcerts. And we did them sometimes outside, and sometimes in the old Douglass\nHigh School. And the colored choir might also be featured at that time, and they\nwould sing. The funny thing about all of this is that when I worked with the\nDepartment of Recreation and Parks, I came across all of the colored music.\n\nEverything that they had was labeled for us because I handled it all: colored or\nwhite, black, whatever it was, I had the whole music part. When they asked Mayor\n[William Donald] Schaefer if I should take over the whole area ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(Stephanie\nAsworthy was the music supervisor for the parks for the summertime), when that\nbegan to fall apart because we didn't have funds, our director asked Mayor\nSchaefer if I could take it over. For some unknown reason, with all the work\nI've done for Schaefer, he said an adamant no. He was going to leave it with\nStephanie Asworthy.\n\nNow, of course, I realize that he and her husband were very good friends, and he\nand I weren't. [Laughter] I only worked for him, but I did a lot of work for him\nwith funds for Arts for the Neighborhood. I've worked with the Maryland Arts\nCouncil, mainly on the music segments and things.\n\nMEGAN COE: When did you do all of those things?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: In the '60s, '70s.\n\nMEGAN COE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What else did you do around that time?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: I was on the board of Pumpkin Theater for about ten\nyears. I had also been on the board of Children's Theater Association, CTA. I\nwas their executive secretary for three or four years with Patty Potts. So I\nguess I engulfed myself in other things that I knew as opposed to just the music\nand the singing. Because when I began to work for the Department of Recreation\nand Parks, that was one of the stipulations -- that I couldn't sing.\n\nNow I could sing at Christmas time to entertain. But I think somehow or other\nthey were afraid I might jump out and do something else and leave the\ndepartment, but I wasn't going in that direction. I still had my two children,\nand I had to look after them. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was a responsible person, and, therefore, if\nthey didn't know it by all of the work that I did, I wasn't about to tell them.\nOh, no, and I wasn't going to sign any papers for them saying that I wasn't\ngoing to leave, but I had no plans for doing that.\n\nI would have had to have everything right in my hands before I could have done\nthat. Now, if Mr. Zucca had come along at the point in time when they were\ntelling me I couldn't sing, that would have been a whole different story.\n\nThere was a point when I was really ready to go away and close down shop. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Close\ndown shop, I mean my home and everything. My boys were the age where I felt like\nthat they were about to\n\ntake care of themselves. One was just finishing high school and one had already\ngone on to college. We had gotten together and decided that it would be all\nright for me to leave them. They would be able to manage on their own. It wasn't\ngoing to be like that three thousand mile good will tour. They were all right\nabout it, but my mother wasn't and so I just said okay.\n\nSo I've decided since my mama has passed that she was my assignment. All of us\nhave an assignment, and I said God did not intend for me to go away. I had to\nhelp take care of her. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was my responsibility also.\n\nMEGAN COE: Is there anything else you can think of about music and your life to\ntalk about?\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Well, I was very much influenced by Ellis Larkins. And I\nknow you all have him on your list as well.\n\nMEGAN COE: Yes.\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: Ellis and I used to be in the operettas together. And\nmany times Ellis would save me from getting spanked because I would stay at\nschool studying and rehearsing. And I'd say, Ellis, you gotta go home with me\ncause my mother's going to kill me when I get home. And so we would go home, and\nhe would sit down and play the piano, and I would sing.\n\nLater he began to give me piano lessons as well. But somehow or other we were\nfriends and I could not study with him. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a play situation. If I'd do\nsomething wrong, he'd say oh, okay, it's all right -- but it wasn't all right.\nBut that's how I would take it until finally I said, well, I think we just have\nto stop trying to, you have to stop trying to teach me music because I'm not\ngoing to learn from you like this. I enjoy your playing, and when I make a\nmistake, I just go to pieces.\n\nI'd do the same thing in college. If I'd make a mistake on the piano, my hands\nwould come right off. Oh boy, but I had a rough time with piano! But somehow or\nother I managed to get around that monster. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at the end of my term, we had to\ntake finals before all of the faculty, no matter what their areas of study were,\nbut especially piano and voice. And my teacher was so afraid I'm going to mess\nup on the piano -- and rightfully so -- but anyway, she was standing there,\nturning pages, pointing to where I was because I was crying throughout the whole\nordeal. When I finally finished, every one of the teachers stood up and\napplauded, which made me feel really good that I had accomplished that because I\nwas a nervous wreck.\n\nAnyway, I've enjoyed music along the way, in all of its aspects. I have a son\nwho's very appreciative of music. He calls me, constantly telling me different\nthings he remembers. He's become quite a voice critic, and he'll listen to the\nopera. Mother, are you listening to the opera today? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No. Well turn it on because\nI want to know what you think about such and such a voice. I say, well, okay,\nand then he would give me his opinion. I'd say why are you doing this? Why have\nyou become such a critic? He says, Momma, I used to listen to you teach. I know\nwhat you told your students, and I know how you taught them.\n\nThe birds used to sing. I had a bird. And if somebody came in, especially\nstudents with beautiful voices and those who were really doing well, that bird\nwould sing its little head off. Its name was Jerry. He would sing away. So when\nJerry died, I could not bury him, I left him on the piano in a little gold box\nfor a couple of weeks. And finally Dr. Strider said to me, would you like for me\nto bury Jerry out at Morgan State University on the campus? [Laughter] I said,\nyou can do that? He said, yes, I can do that for you. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I said, well, then\nplease, you can take him and you can bury him for me.\n\nMEGAN COE: So Jerry's buried at Morgan.\n\nFANNIE NEWTON MORAGNE: So Jerry's buried somewhere, I think, on Morgan State\ncampus. I don't think Dr. Strider would have done otherwise. I don't think he\nwould have thrown him away.\n\nWe had tenants living in our home at that time and there was a little girl about\ntwo or three years old. When Jerry would start singing, and my student would\nstart singing, she would come to the top of the steps, and start singing. [Ms.\nMoragne makes a screeching noise]. [Laughter] But no she was really trying, she\nwas doing better than that.\n\nThere was something else that had crossed my mind, but that's what it did. It\ncrossed and went away. Let me think a minute. I was trying to see if it would\ncome back.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, I still attend the operas at the Lyric Theater because music is still the\nlove of my life, even though I don't do a lot of singing anymore. Right now\nthey're pursuing me for the operas, and I've already told you about my physical\ncondition. So I'm probably not going to be able to go to the opera this year.\nAnd that is a love of mine, and I would watch them on television when they're on\nbecause I don't care for other types of music that much.\n\nClassical music, oh yes. But whatever they're doing now, I don't consider it\nmusic and I certainly don't care for rap or things like that. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And yet it's\nstrange because I came from a background in my early, early days, in my ten,\neleven, twelve, thirteen year old area when I was singing at the Royal Theater,\nand I liked popular music. I had started at one point, and I didn't tell you\nthat Erskine Hawkins had wanted me to sing with his band. I told you about Jimmie\nLunceford. But I was in college when Erskine Hawkins ran into me at one point. I\nhad been in the Baby Grand, I guess it's a bar, club or something, and I didn't\nfrequent those, but I had a friend who was playing there in New York, and I\ndecided to go and hear him play, and he had me singing. And, of course, I was\nsinging classical music because I didn't know anything else to sing, but\neverybody liked it.\n\nAnyhow, we came later on that evening into a situation where Erskine Hawkins was\nin the audience, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he heard me sing, and he sent someone over from the bar to\nask me to sing The Lord's Prayer and Ave Maria -- one or the other, or both. And\nwhen they came over, I said what drunk wants to hear me sing The Lord's Prayer\nor Ave Maria in here. But anyway, I obliged because Larry -- I can't remember\nhis last name -- but Larry had told me, oh no, it doesn't matter, just go ahead\nand sing it. And I did. Then the drunk at the bar wanted to talk to me. I don't\nwant to talk to anybody at the bar. And the lady said it's Erskine Hawkins. He's\nnot drunk. I said, what! So I went over to the bar and talked to him for a\nwhile. He wanted me to sing and\n\nwork for him immediately. And me without a dime in my pocket, not a nickel to\nride the bus to get to the train, from the train station or to the train\nstation! ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I looked him in his face and told him no, I don't like your kind of\nmusic. [Laughter] And he said, but you can sing anything you want to. I said but\nyour music is too loud and too raucous for me. A loud, ferocious kind of style\nas far as I was concerned.\n\nSix months later I was in my automobile, probably going toward New York for some\nreason or other, and heard this beautiful music and this young lady singing,\nobbligato, like a coloratura. Wonderful! What's that? When the announcer came on,\nhe said it was Erskine Hawkins and this girl. I said, I don't believe it! He\ntook my voice and found somebody who could do something similar to it to put it\nto his music because he heard it and that's what he wanted to do. And he did it!\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465/transcript/38443/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I could have made five hundred dollars a week at that time, this was back in the\n'40s. I don't believe me!\n\nAnyway, I think I was true to what I wanted to do. And that, to me, was\nimportant. I wasn't wishy-washy, go with every wave and everything that came\nalong. It had to be very special, whatever it was I was looking for. Maybe I\nnever found it, or maybe I found it and never knew it.\n\nI think that's enough.\n\nMEGAN COE: Okay. Great.\n\n[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44157/file/117465#t=1020.0,1080.0"}]}]}]}