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Shortly after the war, he began working for Bethlehem Steel at Sparrows Point and was quickly promoted to a supervisory position. He retired from his position as a turn supervisor in the 1980s. Interview with Elizabeth Schaaf. (Abstract)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":[" 2002-11-27 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":[" MacArthur, Douglas (Musician) (Interviewee)"," Schaaf, Elizabeth M. (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":[" English (Primary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["audio/mp3"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins University"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["The collection is open for use. Contact peabodyarchives@lists.jhu.edu for more information."]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://aspace.library.jhu.edu/repositories/4/archival_objects/215371"]}}],"summary":{"en":[" Born in Rich Springs, North Carolina, Douglas MacArthur moved to Baltimore's East Side as a teenager. He served in Europe with the U.S. Army 10th Cavalry during World War II. He began his carer as a musician while serving in the military. After returning to Baltimore, he became active with the Musicians' Union local 543 and continued his music education at the Larry London School of Music, majoring in double bass. He was a member of Tracy McCleary's band, the Royal Men of Rhythm, at the Royal Theatre and the leader of his own group, Doug's Blue Notes. Shortly after the war, he began working for Bethlehem Steel at Sparrows Point and was quickly promoted to a supervisory position. He retired from his position as a turn supervisor in the 1980s. Interview with Elizabeth Schaaf."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["The collection is open for use. 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I'd like to start out by asking you where you born. You don't\nhave to tell me when unless you don't mind.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: It doesn't matter. I was born in North Carolina. North\nCarolina, a small town called, a small town called Red Springs. And I came to\nBaltimore as a teenager to live with my uncle. This was in the, just before WW II.\n\nI loved music. I've always loved music, but I just had never had a chance to get\ninto it. But after World War II, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I came back and they had opened the school here\ncalled Larry London School of Music, located on Monument Street. But he had most\nof his teachers were from the Baltimore Symphony. They were very good. My bass\nteacher was Bill Valegra. And he was one of the best bass players that was in\nthe city. He would play, and he would sit, he would listen, he would teach, and\nhe would talk and he would play. And after that, practically all the guys in the\ncity, it was loaded. Oh, a lot of the guys were going out there.\n\nSee, we went under the GI Bill out there, and it was really nice if you wanted\nto really get into music. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I played with several groups, and at that time\nthere were so many groups around in Baltimore -- almost every block you passed.\n\nThere are very few places they have that they have dances now, but then they had\nthe Pythian Castle, the Elks Home, Strand Ballroom -- that was over by the Royal\nTheater. And in East Baltimore they had the Biddle Hall. That was our regular\nhome base, Biddle Hall. The theater was on the bottom and the hall was over top.\nAnd the guy would let us use it because it brought in people to the theater too.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Tell me about going down to Kent Narrows. How did you all get\ndown there?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Well, we went in two cars. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When we first started, we were\ngoing there before the\n\nbridge was built. We rode the ferry down there when we first started, and while\nwe was there, they built the bridge and we started using the bridge going down\nto Kent Narrows.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And the oyster house that you played for was just near the ferry?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: After you got off the ferry, you went down about ten miles to\nKent Narrows. That was the first little town, and went back into the oyster\nhouse that this guy had.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And you said that the people there were up from Florida.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Florida and different places to shuck oysters.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So these were folks that were there working for the summer.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Working for the summer, right.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Okay. And you all came down to play for them.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Play for them, right.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now did other people from around the community come in to hear\nyou play?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes, different people would come in. We'd start about eight\no'clock at night and play til two. And it was always loaded. It was always full.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Sounds like great fun.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: It was a lot of fun. You don't make a million dollars, but\nyou just have a million dollars worth of fun. Roy McCoy told me that one too. [Laughter]\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: You would do that on Friday, and then you'd come back?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: That's right. We'd do it Friday night and Saturday night, and\nwe'd come back home Sunday morning.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now, when you were growing up, were there other musicians in\nyour family?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: No. There was no other musicians in my family. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just decided\nI loved music, and I don't know why I went into it.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, I could imagine that would be a little bit hard for you\nto grow up in Baltimore and avoid listening to music. Seems like it was just everywhere.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: At that time it was. There was music everywhere. That's why\nnow I ask myself, I don't see very much music in Baltimore now like I'd love to\nsee with the young people. I never hear of a young band now, musicians like we\nhad in those days. Because in those days,\n\neverybody was a musician. There was somewhere you could go and hear music everywhere.\n\nBut I don't know, it seems though it has faded out in the city here now.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, when you came up from North Carolina, were you still in\nschool at that point?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: No. I'd finished school.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And then you were drafted into the military?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes I was.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: When you were here in Baltimore?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes I was.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Where did they post you in the war?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I went to California first. I was in horse cavalry. I've been\nthrown many a time. [Laughter} Yeah, I was in the 10th Cavalry. Well, the 10th\nand 28th were in California. The 9th and 27th was in Texas. They had over two\nthousand horses.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now, how did you end up in the Cavalry?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: We really don't know. We were sent to Fort Meade, and they\nwere taking all the guys out who were nineteen years old, nineteen and twenty\nyears old. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Put us in a barracks, said we were going to a special outfit. And\nthat's what happened. We wound up in California.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Was that your first introduction to a horse?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: First introduction to a horse.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: What did you make of that?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: It was rough at first, but they, they had some of the best\nteachers. Most of our instructors were from Texas. We had a captain was from\nTexas. Lieutenants were from Texas. Most of them had ridden most of their lives,\nand they knew horses. And they just taught you from the ground up, from the\nstart. How to ride, how to sit the horse. That was another nice experience. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And\nwe were going overseas. After we went overseas, they broke it up and put us,\nmade us a trucking outfit.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Where were you posted overseas?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Italy. We went into North Africa, but we went to Italy\ndriving trucks, and we stayed in Italy for eighteen months. It was on our way\ndown South Pacific when the war ended. We\n\nwere happy.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I would imagine you were. [Laughter] Well, when you were in\nItaly, there must have been service bands with you. You said you had gotten\ninterested in music while you were in the war.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes. They formed a group, and this guy, he asked me about it,\nand I knew him and I told him I wanted to play, get a bass fiddle. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were\ngetting the instruments for him, and we didn't have a bass fiddle so we got a\ntub, and put a string on it with a broomstick, and I played that. That's what I\nplayed at first.\n\nAnd then they finally got a bass, but at that time I was moving further. We\nmoved from Italy all the way through. We only stayed in one place for about, I'd\nsay a month, a month and a half, and we'd move. We were driving front lines,\ntaking ammunition and food and all to the front. And we'd have to follow the front.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Sounds like a pretty rough tour of duty.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: That's the way it sounds and is the way it was.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so you fell in love with music while you were dodging bullets.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes I did.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: What year were you mustered out?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: In 1945.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And then you, they shipped you back to Baltimore?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Shipped me back to Baltimore. See, I went in from Baltimore,\nand they shipped me back to Baltimore.\n\n[I joined up with a friend] in the Army. He could play piano, and he and I scat.\nWe used to play and get in the hall, and we'd drink beer and laugh and yell and\ncarry on in scat songs, and I fell more and more in love with music at that\ntime. A friend named Bernard Stokes -- he was a musician too. He played piano.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: How did you get on to the Larry London School of Music?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I had put in to go to the embalming school in\nPhiladelphia, but everybody was going to music school, and I wanted to go to\nmusic school too. So I changed my mind and went to music school.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: A little livelier profession.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Livelier profession. [Laughter]\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So, now let me see, you had told me about working with Tracy\nMcCleary. When did you meet Tracy McCleary?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Well, at that time, I met Tracy after I came into music, and\nhe was playing the Royal Theater. And our Union hall, the colored musicians'\nunion, was on Pennsylvania Avenue. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It moved from Pennsylvania Avenue on the\ncorner of Argyle and Mosher Street. We had a nice musicians' hall there. We sold\nbeer. It was an old nightclub, and we had a rehearsal hall upstairs. And Tracy\nwould come in there. All the musicians came in there, the guys that belonged to\nthe union, the local. At that time we were 543, but after we merged with the\nwhite local here, it's 40-543.\n\nBut Tracy and the guys from the Royal, they were right around the corner so when\nthey had their break, they would come in, and that's how I met all the guys there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so one night Tracy called me and asked me his bass player wasn't going to be\nthere for the midnight show that was coming in, and asked me would I play the\nmidnight show. I don't know, I just couldn't see myself ever playing the Royal\nTheater. So I told him yes. So I told my wife. She said, well, you've been into\nit for a long time, and that's what you wanted. Just give it a shot. She said\nyou know you can do it. I said, that's it.\n\nSo I went that night that I was supposed to play. I put my uniform on, got my\nbass fiddle and tuned it up, got up on the stage. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And just before we started, I\nwas on the left on a raised, small platform, and my bass fiddle was all tuned,\nbut I've never been more nervous in my life than I'd been then. And when I have\nheard the guy say, \"and now Tracy McCleary and his Royal Men of Rhythm.\" And\nwhen he did, the drummer hit the first beat, and we went into our theme, and I\nthought I would die. [Laughter] But I made it, and then after that, I played\nquite a bit with Tracy. I enjoyed it. But to look out and see that audience, I\nthought it had me again. I didn't know what was happening.\n\nYes, I'm telling you, just to be a kid from East Baltimore, and to move up\nthere. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was really nice. It was really nice.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: What an exciting story. My goodness. Especially having spent\nso much time on the other side of the stage.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: That's right. Yeah, you go in there, you never thought you'd\never get on that stage. And to get on that stage, that was one of the most\nexciting things that ever happened.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Do you remember some of the other musicians in Tracy's band?\nWho do you remember from back in those days?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Oh, let's see. Vernon Savage, Roy McCoy, let's see I knew all\nthose guys. Pinhead, we called him Pinhead, he played trumpet.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a trombone player that Tracy McCleary told a funny\nstory about named Trummy?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Trummy Young. He called himself Trummy Young, but we called\nhim Trummy. Tall guy. Yeah, that was true. I played with him several times too.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And you tell me that you were working during the day.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes I did.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So you had two careers.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes I did. I worked down Bethlehem Steel. But they gave me\nthe time off that I needed, as long as I made five days at that time, I was all right.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So you had a flexible schedule.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Had a flexible schedule. Right.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: What were you doing at Sparrows Point?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was a turn supervisor in the blast furnace department.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Very dangerous work.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Well, it was at one time, years ago. But everything now has\nmodernized. There's very little danger. There's still danger there, but it's not\nlike it was.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: When did you start at Sparrow's Point?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: 1946.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Okay. So almost right after the war.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Right after the war.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And when did you retire?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I retired nineteen years ago. It will be twenty years next year.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So you've had twenty years of being very busy.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Very busy. I help over at my church, I pick my grandson up\nfrom school, work on my lawn. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It gives me something to do.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: You mentioned going over to the Club Orleans --\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: When Roy used to play. And you said Charlie Harris played over there.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes. Charlie Harris played at the Club Orleans.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: That must have been before he went on the road with Nat King Cole.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: It was. And when he would come in town, he'd come over and\nplay a set.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: He must not have had a whole lot of time in town during those days.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: No, not too much time. But he would come in about once a year.\n\nYes. He and Pinhead were friends. They would always come to the club, up to the\nmusicians lounge, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and we would all sit around there and just talk and talk and\ntalk. It was really nice to know those musicians.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: A lovely bunch of people.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: They are. Musicians are beautiful people. And the old guys,\nthey could tell stories about when they'd travel all around and how there would\nbe, eight and ten of them in one car and all that. It really makes you laugh.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Who were some of those old timers that you remember?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Well, Trummy was one. And Hal Rollins, Howard Rollins was\nanother one. These are some of the old guys, Pinhead. I can't remember a lot of\nthem right now, but there are several of them that were really some nice\ntalkable guys.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a lady that caught my attention who was connected\nwith the Club Orleans and apparently a couple of the other clubs too. Her stage\nname was Detroit Red.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Detroit Red.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I think her name must have been Livingston.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I think it was.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Did you ever meet her?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes, I did.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: What was she like?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: At the time I was just starting in the music. She had stayed\nat Club Orleans for a\n\nlong time. And that's where I met her. I enjoyed her routine. She had a wild\nroutine. She was really good.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: What was her routine like?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: She could sing, but she always put a lot of, what do you call\nit? In other words, she would take a song and do it her way. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh huh. And at\nnight when you get ready to go, and the club would close, she would say, don't\ncare where you go, but you got to get the hell out of here. [Laughter] She kept\nyou in stitches. Detroit Red.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Very pretty lady.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes. Detroit was nice.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Who were some of the other singers that you remember from then?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Um, let's see. Ruby's mother was a singer. And right off I\ncan't think of many singers.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: There was another lady at the Club Orleans. Betty something.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: It's Betty. You're right, but I can't think of her name. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's\nBetty. I remember her down the Club Orleans. Club Orleans was one of the best.\nIt was one of the best clubs in the city at that time.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Mr. McCoy said that Billie Holiday used to come there sometimes.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I've seen Billie in there.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And just drop in and sing.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Well, she would sing, sometimes she'd sing with the guys.\nShe'd come in there. She knew guys like Jake. Jake was the drummer. He's been\naround for years. He had been around for years at that time. Jake. She'd come in\nthere to see the guys she had known, you know, and Roy McCoy and those guys had\nbeen on the road.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So did you meet Roy before he had gone on the road with Lionel Hampton?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now he was still at the Royal then?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: He was in and out at the Royal. Yes, Roy played the Royal\nwhen he was in town, if he wasn't on the road.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: You had mentioned how much music there was back there in the\n'40s and early '50s, and\n\nhow comparatively little there is today. What do you think happened? What do you\nthink caused that?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Well, I think cheap music caused it. These kids today,\neverybody's got a boom box, everybody's got earphones on, and they can get all\nthe music they want from just plugging in their box.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Without having to make their own.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Without having to make their own. And then, too, another\nthing about these young people is that they don't want to rehearse. Everybody\nwants to come in and hit the stand right away. They don't realize you've got to\nstart low and rehearse and get that music down, get what you know people want to\nhear and then bring it forward. That's the best thing that could happen.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, I wonder -- I think a lot of people aren't aware of how\nmuch discipline is required of a musician, how many hours it takes before you\ncan get to that stage.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: That's right. There's a lot of people who don't. A lot of\npeople, just like I heard when we were at Larry London's. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The teachers would\ntell us when they got a group of guys -- they'd say, you don't go in here and\nbuy a horn and go on the Royal Theater next week. That doesn't happen. It takes\ntime. And when you go, be ready to go.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Where did you find your bass? Finding an instrument is like\nfinding a wife. That's a tough thing. [Laughter]\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I was working down at the [Sparrow's] Point, and this guy\ntold me he knew a lady had a bass fiddle, lived out in Overlea. This was way\nback in the '50s. I went out there, and I bought that bass fiddle from that lady\nfor one hundred dollars. And I've had that bass. I have that bass downstairs now\nin my cellar.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Where was it made?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Czechoslovakia. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's a Czech bass.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So it was love at first sight in Overlea, and you've been with\nthat bass ever since.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Ever since, same bass.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: When you were growing up in North Carolina, what prompted your\nfamily to move up here?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Well, I came to live with my uncle. My uncle's son died, and\nhe wanted me to come and live with them. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had two daughters.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And so he had lived in Baltimore for a long time?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes. He lived here for years.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And what was his profession, what was his?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: He worked for Pennsylvania Railroad in the roundhouse at the\nend of Monument Street.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And did he ever try to encourage you to follow him into the railroad?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Well, I worked at the railroad before I went in the Army. I\nworked in the roundhouse before I went in the service. I've had a lot of jobs\nbefore I found the one that I really wanted.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So where did you go from the railroad then? You went from the\nrailroad right into the service?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, I had a job at an overcoat factory, pressing seams in\novercoats that I hated. [Laughter] Just hated that one! Worked, let's see, where\nelse did I work? I worked in a hospital, worked as a dishwasher at a hospital. I\nworked at a lot of jobs. Worked with a contractor. I had a lot of jobs.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now, what led you to Sparrow's Point?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I went down there with a friend of mine. He was going down to\nget a job, and he said, well, while you're here, you should put in an\napplication. So I said, well, I will. I put in an application and got hired the\nsame day. And I did not want the job.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh no. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1680.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you started right away?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Started right away. So I worked from 3 to 11 the next day. I\nhated it at first, but the more I was there, the more I loved it. Then I started\ngoing to school for supervisor, and it was nice.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, those were well paying jobs.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes. It was.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And you ended up spending?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Thirty-seven years.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Thirty-seven years. Pretty impressive. Now how long did you\njuggle your musical life with your work at Sparrow's Point?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: There wasn't much juggling because, as I said, after they\nfound out I played music, they gave me open time, you know, as long as I made\nfive days. But I couldn't do that after I got\n\nto be turn supervisor. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1740.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But by that time I had cut back anyway.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: You've watched the changes in Pennsylvania Avenue. The years\nafter the war must have been terrifically exciting to be there.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes. It was, it was. The only thing I regret is seeing\nPennsylvania Avenue go the way it is. We are the only city that I know that\ndoesn't have -- most of the places that had those music, where musicians came\nfrom all over, like the Royal Theater, they're still in business. In New York\nthey still have the, what is it?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1800.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Apollo?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Apollo. Philadelphia still has -- I think it's the Earl.\nRichmond has theirs. It was, at one time, it was a circuit. They'd start in New\nYork, come to Philadelphia, come to Baltimore, Washington and Richmond. But\nwe're the only one that I know that don't have the theater. Got completely rid\nof the theater.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And ironically with an urban renewal project, I never could\nfigure that one out.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I couldn't either. I've heard a lot of people could have\nsaved it [say] that they wished they had worked on it, but it's too late now.\nIt's all gone.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And it wasn't just the only theater. There were other theaters\non the Avenue, like the Regent.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yeah, the Regent.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1860.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And was it the Lincoln?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: The Lincoln. They had about five, six theaters on that avenue.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, Rivers Chambers Orchestra must have been still around.\nYou must have crossed paths at one time.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes, I knew most of the guys in Rivers' band too. See, one\nthing, I was bartending, tending bar at the musicians lounge. And mostly at\nnight, when they came off gigs, we would all come in there and sit and tell lies\nand drink beer. Wherever we played, mostly we would come by and stop in the\nlounge and have a beer or a drink before we went home.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: This is at the musicians union?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Musicians union, yes.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: What a nice thing to have where everybody can get together.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1920.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But see after we merged, it'd taken all that away. We just\ndon't have that anymore.\n\nMusicians spread, some of us gave it completely up. I still belong to the local.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I saw you in the union book.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes. I still belong to the local, because I love music.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, I looked for you at the luncheon.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I didn't go this year. I was there last year.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yeah, last year I didn't go.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I was there last year. I didn't go this year. I can't\nunderstand why they don't have a band there to play instead of a single person.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, next year maybe there should be a revival of the Blue\nNotes. [Laughter]\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Would be nice.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=1980.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How many of your music friends are still around?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Let's see. There's only about three or four of us still here.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: That's enough for a group.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: That's all there is, I think, about four of us still here.\nBut we enjoyed it.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So who are the other three?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Curt Ellison, the fellow on the tenor. And the fellow on\ntrombone. I don't think he's on that list -- named Dooley. He came later.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Dooley, what was his last name?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Elmer Dooley. Played trombone.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And there must be one more floating around somewhere.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: There's one more somewhere. I think Count is still around.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=2040.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, maybe we'll see you at next year's luncheon.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I don't know. I probably will. My daughter -- we were there\nlast year, or was it year before last? The year that Tango [Roy McCoy] sat at\nour table. Year before last it was. Tango came in, he and his wife. He'd been\nsick at that time, and he and his wife came in and somebody was with them, and\nhe had everybody laughing. I told my daughter, I said, that's one\n\nof the guys that gave me my first start in music. And Charlie Harris came in and\nhe sat at our table. We all sat together. My daughter, she's been around\nmusicians. She knew Tango from years ago. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=2100.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My wife passed seven years ago, and my\ndaughter went with me out there to the luncheon.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Do you just have the one daughter?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: One daughter and one grandson.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Did she study music at all?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: No, she didn't.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And what about that grandson?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: He's football. He says he's gonna be a football player. He's\neight years old, plays peewee football.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Is he going be as tall as you are?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I don't think he is.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=2160.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When did you move away from the east side?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I moved over here, we've been here forty-two years. Moved\nhere in '61, 1961.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now when you came back from the war, did you go back over on\nthe east side?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes, I did. I wasn't married then. I was single. And I met my\nwife, and we married.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Where did you meet her?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: A friend of mine introduced me to her.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I always feel sorry for the musicians' wives because, you\nknow, the gentlemen are always off working at dances.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: You got to be broadminded.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: They have to be very broadminded.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Got to be broadminded. My wife was very broadminded, because\nonce in a while somebody would ask me, MacArthur, are you married? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=2220.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said yes.\nThey said where is your wife? I said there she is sitting over there. Oh no, you\nwouldn't be talking to us and buying us a drink if your wife was here. I said\ncome here a minute. We'd go over there. I said, will you tell them who you are?\nShe said what do you mean? I said aren't you my wife? She said the minister said\n\nso. [Laughter] They would laugh.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, you know, the dances at the halls always sounded like\nthey were so much fun.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: They were.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Who sponsored all the dances?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=2280.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Usually clubs sponsored them. Clubs, different clubs around\nsponsored them. See there was so many clubs around then. People would get\ntogether and eight or ten of them would form a club, and they would have,\nsponsor dances, and sometimes the guy who owned the hall would. Just like the\nBiddle Hall, the manager that owned the theater and the hall he would sponsor dances.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I was interested in reading about some of the Bayside places\nwhere people used to go and listen to music. Did you ever play at any of the\nplaces like Carr's or Brown's Grove?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I played Carr's Beach once. I played Carr's Beach once before\nit was changed over. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=2340.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I never played Brown's Grove, but I did play the boat\ngoing down. Well, the boat used to leave Baltimore the first weekend I think it\nwas in September and would go down to Cambridge. And it was a big do, everybody\nin Baltimore, if you had somebody working for you then practically everybody\ntaking one of those days off.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Really.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: One day or two. The boat was like that. The boat was packed.\nWe played on that boat for about four years.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So this was every year?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Every year. That was everybody -- are you all playing on the\nboat going down to Cambridge? Yeah, I'm going down. It was really nice.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=2400.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Everybody that was anybody around east Baltimore was down there going on the\nboat. Not east Baltimore, all over Baltimore.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So it would go to Cambridge and then would it stay?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: It would stay for about an hour, you had an hour to walk\naround, people would get crabs and things. And then they'd get back on the boat\nand come back to Baltimore. It was an all day.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: My goodness. What fun.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: It was really fun.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And now this was, tell me again what time of year this year?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: September. Always the first or second week in September.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now when did it stop?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I don't know. Oh, it stopped years ago. I don't think it went\non after I came out of east Baltimore much longer.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: What was Carr's Beach like?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Carr's Beach was really nice. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=2460.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was really nice, clean. We\nplayed there, once or twice we played Carr's Beach. The way we would get those\njobs, somebody would hear us one place and call us and book us in. But Carr's\nBeach was nice.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yeah, I saw, there was a photograph taken at Carr's Beach with\nSarah Vaughan singing down there.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes. They brought in big talent. Uh huh. Top talent.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: When, I wanted to ask you, when was the picture taken of\nDoug's Blue Notes with Ruby [Glover] standing at the microphone?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: When was that taken?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=2520.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She looks like she's about seventeen years old.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Ruby was young then. I really couldn't give you a definite\ndate on when that was made.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Was it a radio broadcast or was it?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: No. We were playing at the Elks Home when that was made. Let\nme see it a minute.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Sure.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes, we were playing at the Elks Home\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=2580.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And was Mr. Anderson the photographer?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I'll tell you who took that. Anderson, Church Anderson. Do\nyou know Church Anderson?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yes.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: His brother was a photographer.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh, that was Mr. Anderson.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes. Church Anderson's brother [Gordon]. I used to, remember\nChurch Anderson's group. He was one of the older guys around. Yeah, Church\nAnderson's brother made that picture.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: He's living up in New York now. He used to take a lot of the\nphotographs at the Royal Theater.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: He did. He sure did. He's the one that made that picture.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=2640.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. That's very interesting. So was this your band's\nstandard publicity shot for the time?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes it was.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And, you know, were there other ones without Ruby?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I have one I don't think Ruby's on. No I don't think Ruby's\non this one. I don't have one myself now. My daughter has one, and my sister has\none. I don't know where those pictures are. They're around somewhere.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, now you have a grandson. You need to take care of these things.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Yes, I should. That's right.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=2700.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"East Baltimore, my goodness, you had such wonderful musicians\nover there. Chick Webb.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Oh it was a Mecca there. It was really nice. East Baltimore\nwas everything in music.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And you don't hear that.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Charles Keene, all those guys came out of there. All those\nbig time guys came out of east Baltimore.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Why is that when people talk about music in Baltimore, you\nhear about Pennsylvania Avenue, but very few people mention all the things that\nwere going on on the east side?\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Well, because the Royal was on Pennsylvania Avenue, and that\nwas the Mecca there, and I think everybody just remembers that. 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I'm not saying it didn't happen. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=2820.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445/transcript/38432/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't know him as that.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Ruby was also talking about a person named Bea Booze.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Club Orleans. Yes, Bea Booze, she sang over there for a long\nwhile. She was one of the top entertainers too, but she came in and sang for a\nwhile, and then she stopped. 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Can't think of\nwhere it was, but it was on Fremont Avenue, but it was really a nice club.\n\n[END PART ONE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117445#t=2940.0,3000.0"}]}]},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117446","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - pims0091_MacArthurD_side2.mp3"]},"duration":379.03674,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/117/446/small/macarthur_photoshop.jpg?1651082384","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117446/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117446/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-peabody.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/117/446/original/pims0091_MacArthurD_side2.mp3?1624270895","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":379.03674,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117446","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117446/transcript/38433","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["MacArthurD_2_OHMS_20220608 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117446/transcript/38433/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now I was just fascinated to find out from Ruby how much activity there was over on the east side. I mean, I knew about the Club Orleans, but that was about the only one, and she said, oh no, no.\n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: No. There’s a lot of clubs there. There were nice clubs over there. There was the Savoy up on Monument and Bond, Savoy nightclub. We worked Savoy, small group of us worked Savoy. And the Elks Home was over there. We worked the Elks Home. There was more clubs over there too. There’s a lot of clubs in East Baltimore at that time. I don’t know where they came from, but these holidays like this one, clubs were full. But today they aren’t full like that. I think everybody stays home and listens to their tapes and everything. People don’t go just now to clubs like they used to. \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: One of the things that I find is promising now is School for the Arts. We’ve started seeing some really good players coming out of there and coming into Peabody. And, of course, now we have for the first time a jazz program at Peabody.  \n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117446#t=0.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117446/transcript/38433/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DOUGLAS MACARTHUR: It’s good to see young people coming into it because it gets to me once in a while. I’m over east Baltimore often, and I just think about the good times we had over there. In the summertime guys would be in somebody’s backyard. You’d hear a horn blasting, backyards would be full of people. It was really nice. Always somewhere to go.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: When did that start, when do you recall that starting to wane, start breaking down? \n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: I think it started over twenty years ago — it began to slow — I think really after Pennsylvania Avenue was torn down, I think the whole music did. I know when our musicians’ \nhall [closed down], when we merged with the white local, it really had taken a lot out of it because we don’t have a place to hang together. Everybody ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117446#t=120.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117446/transcript/38433/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"knew where everybody was. When you seeing Vernon — when you seeing so and so — Tracy, when you seeing so and so? Now we just don’t have a place to see musicians.\nI haven’t seen Tracy McCleary, I know it’s been eight or ten years. \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, I was talking to Ethel Ennis — it was at Ellis Larkins’ funeral, and, you know, people were all catching up, standing around talking. \n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: That’s what they do. \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And we were talking about maybe once, once every six months maybe we should just stage a funeral before anybody has to die so people could just come together. \n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: That would be nice. To stage it anyway. \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I want to thank you for letting me come and take up your time. \n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Oh, you’re welcome. \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And bother you. \n\nDOUGLAS MACARTHUR: Anything I can do to advance the music that I enjoy. \n\n[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44148/file/117446#t=240.0,360.0"}]}]}]}