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Didn't you get one too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=15.75,17.07"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I did, indeed. And I so wanted to come.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=17.4,18.569"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course, I knew that you couldn't go, but I wanted you to know you were invited.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=19.92,24.59"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I would love to have been there. But Sam [Samuel Hopkins] was having a very major birthday and I went over to see him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=25.53,35.94"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Who?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=39.38,39.38"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr. Hopkins.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=39.409,39.409"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yes, Sam.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=39.409,39.409"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And he was talking about the Blacks. And it turned out the two of you are linked by this family. Mr. [Harry] Black apparently was a mentor to Sam Hopkins and spent a great deal of time with him, and Sam said that he was very influential in starting him out on his career. And I thought, isn't it interesting how small the world is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=41.03,75.75"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, he and I -- [unclear] -- having come from Baltimore and all these things are tied together. But I hardly ever saw Mr. Black. I think maybe one time he was there when I came just after dinner to be with Mrs. Black. And I shook hands with him, and that was it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=76.38,101.13"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I know that you told me, because we talked about your meeting the first time. But tell me who introduced you to her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=102.58,113.5"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e She had a chauffeur, a colored chauffeur, who was a patient of my father. And when he was driving her sometime, he began to talk about his doctor's daughter, Annie, who was studying singing and wanted to go a long way to, well, I wanted to continue to study singing and be a musician. And she became very interested and said, Well, couldn't you bring this to me by to see me one day? And he said, Well, I don't speak to her mother to see if she will do it. And perhaps it was half a year later when I was around 15 years old, that she telephoned my mother and I said I would like so much to meet your daughter and listen to her sing. And maybe I can give you some advice because my chauffeur and I forgot his name told me how intelligent quite a girl is. So she said, Would you come over and have tea with me one day? And my mother said, yes. And we went in together. I think the chauffeur came and picked us up at our home and drove us out, and we had tea and talked to Mrs. Black, and my mother played for me and I sang for her. And that's how it started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=115.18,201.85"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, my goodness. And what was it like going to that house the first time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=203.08,207.52"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e I thought it was gorgeous. I thought it was a wonderful house, and the mother had told me that they were very, very rich people. Of course, now I realize that they were not so rich as she imagined. They were not multi-multimillionaires, but they were influential and he had this important position in the Baltimore Sun, and she, in spite of not having a degree as a doctor or anything like that, gave anesthetics to patients who were about to have operation or undergoing the operation. And that was her -- I nearly said hobby. That was what she was most interested in doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=209.29,277.33"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I suppose in the truest sense, it was. Because she did it because of love, which is what an avocation is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=279.16,285.034"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e But you were there many times and you became quite a protegee of hers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=289.96,295.48"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Well, I don't know what you mean by many, but I did go there many times, I suppose you could say. And even when she one time had as her guests the Musical Arts Quartet, if you've ever heard of that, and I sang for them and they were all pleased. And that was this whole group who advised me to try to get in as a student to the Institute of Musical Art of the Juilliard School of Music. Which was what I did and where I came in, and where I got my musical education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=296.71,340.19"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Then you had this difficult period after you made that decision, with your father, who, if I remember correctly, decided that he perhaps wasn't all that enthusiastic about you going --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=344.57,360.98"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e -- and living in New York and away from my family, and particularly in Harlem. I would have lived, which I did, with my uncle and his wife. And my uncle was not at home because he had had tuberculosis and was living in the countryside with his mother, my grandmother. But this is all a long story. Before I went to Mrs. Black, I had tried to get into the Peabody. And when she knew about that, she said, you just shouldn't do it at all. You should go to New York and go to the Juilliard because the Juilliard is even more famous and world wide.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=361.398,415.5"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e That's how that happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=417.0,417.75"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And it was very good advice, too, for the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=420.66,422.939"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, of course. And when I went to New York and sang for an older Frank Damrosch. He was very pleased and said, I will take you in at once. I mean when the season starts, I forget. Maybe it was in the summer that I auditioned for him. \"And when the fall comes, you come here to the school.\" And he even picked out a teacher who was a very good teacher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=423.15,457.2"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e I have a bad conscience about Mrs. Lucia Dunham. Because years and years and years later, when I wanted to have some lessons with Lotte Lehmann, she said I shouldn't. If I ever went to Lotte Lehmann, then I couldn't come back to her, and I thought this was absolutely crazy. And why shouldn't she want me to take some extra lessons with Lotte Lehmann, who was so famous? And years later, I understood that it was a very, very personal thing. She had lived with a woman psychologist for many years and this woman had moved away from her and went and lived with Lotte Lehmann. I don't know, and I don't even suggest that it was anything -- what shall I call it, lesbisque? [phonetic] -- in this relationship, but nevertheless, I understood that now, here was her, perhaps I could say honestly, favorite pupil also going to Lotte Lehmann. And that evidently was what caused her saying, if you take these lessons with Lotte Lehmann, you can never come back to me anymore. I simply couldn't believe it. I waited a long time, and then finally, I told her, I'm going to take some lessons from Lotte Lehmann. Remember what I said? I had very much success and was happy and learned tremendously from Lotte Lehmann. Then years later, perhaps a year later, I called Miss Dunham and asked her, now, can I continue my lessons with you? she said no. I don't want anything to do with you. And that was very, very sad for me because I had really loved her and learned tremendously. Basically, my singing was learned from her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=471.6,619.52"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's always difficult when one changes teachers and especially, I think, with voice teachers. A very jealous breed. 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All these things hanging together makes a difference in other kind of teaching, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=632.3,654.51"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e You were still with Miss Dunham when you went to audition with Gershwin, were you not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=656.79,661.05"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=661.74,661.95"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e What was her feeling about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=662.79,665.1"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e She was very happy about that. But that was years before. At the time I went to Lehmann I was in my late twenties, and when I auditioned with Gershwin, I was twenty-two, twenty-three.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=665.94,686.403"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e So did she come and see your debut?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=690.45,692.61"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e In Porgy and Bess? Mrs. Dunham? Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=695.429,698.11"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e What did she say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=698.97,699.57"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't remember exactly. She was pleased, but she always had some good criticism, of course, which I appreciated. But she didn't say very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=703.53,716.94"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e But seemed obviously pleased?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=720.91,722.44"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, definitely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=723.34,724.51"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[Discussion about the recording of the interview]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=725.289,725.289"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, bouncing all around -- back up to when you were coming up for your audition. Did you go up by yourself or did your mother accompany you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=784.57,797.97"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e For which audition?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=799.08,799.38"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e For Juilliard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=801.12,801.18"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e My mother accompanied me and played-accompanied me [sic]. She accompanied me personally from Baltimore to New York, and then she accompanied me to the Institute of Musical Art, where she accompanied me on the piano.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=803.04,817.17"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e The whole way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=818.61,819.66"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly. My mother, I've told you this before, wanted to have a singing career herself. But getting married and having four daughters and being married to a busy young doctor who was making his way in the medical world didn't give her much opportunity. She certainly didn't have any energy left over to have any kind of a career for herself. So she made herself satisfied with teaching her children and singing in the church choir and occasionally singing at different events in Baltimore, where [she] was a soloist of the evening. That was the extent of her career.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=820.92,884.91"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Where did she perform when she sang in Baltimore?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=888.21,890.52"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e At church; these houses that very are often connected with the church -- parish house where they had concerts. We lived across the street from the Baptist Church when we lived on Presstmen and Stricker Street. I never sent you the good picture of that house. It looks so bad in the picture I showed you. I remember that you said you really shouldn't show that picture. [Laughs] And you got the other [picture] from the other house to which we moved when I was about twelve or thirteen years old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=894.309,954.27"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e That's a lovely place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=955.32,955.89"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that was okay. It was a beautiful house. Really beautiful inside, and outside fitted the neighborhood, which was a very good neighborhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=957.15,968.67"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And next to the beautiful synagogue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=969.87,971.1"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=972.15,972.15"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And you knew the organist at that synagogue?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=973.98,975.72"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, he played for me. He accompanied me and he even followed me to New York and became partly my accompanist at the Juilliard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=976.53,990.45"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you remember his name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=994.02,994.74"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e I made a contact, if I can call it that, with his son, who is still alive. He lives out in Oklahoma. He promised to write to me and tell me his father and mother, both dead. Arthur Kaplan, that was his name. We were very good friends. The reason the initial meeting came about, because through the windows of our house, he heard me singing and my mother playing when he was coming out of the synagogue on his way home on those Saturdays.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1006.77,1072.84"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And he'd just come over and knock on the door?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1076.11,1077.01"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, exactly. He came over and rang the bell and said, Excuse me, but I'm wondering who is singing here? It's so beautiful. And my mother said, it's my young daughter. Would you like to come in? And he came in, and he listened to me and then he said, I'm an organist and I play the piano, and my mother suggested that he play and he played something for me. And then he said, I would like to accompany her. I would like to work with her. It will cost you nothing because I'm so interested. In that way, he became my accompanist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1077.37,1120.468"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e How many years did the two of you work together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1120.92,1124.65"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Many years. Because after he came to New York and worked even with other pupils at the Juilliard Institute of Musical Art, well, I was a student there for five years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1126.0,1145.86"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e You lured a lot of people up to New York, didn't you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1148.48,1150.239"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Two or three, in any case. [Laughter] Yes, there was Avon Long, who played one of the leading roles Porgy and Bess, who went to school with me and when the original Sportin' Life [character] left the cast, I got [Long] the job with Gershwin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1151.66,1173.619"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I have a question about him for you. I was talking to Lucille Brooks Nichols [sic], or is it Lucille Nichols Brooks, who was a Douglass [High School] student, who mentioned Avon Long. 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He made a great singer. He was, in fact, a better Sportin' Life than the original show who was called [John] Bubbles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1216.65,1236.59"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I was going to ask you about that because Bubbles was quite a famous character.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1239.02,1243.1"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. And he had quite a career behind him too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1243.58,1247.569"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. But that must have been daunting to step into those shoes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1248.53,1252.88"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Bubbles didn't want the job anymore. He wanted to do something else, which was perhaps right for him. And then Gershwin said Bubbles is leaving, do you know anybody? Yes, I have just the person for you. He'll be perfect for Sportin' Life. And he came up to New York and he auditioned and he got the job at once.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1254.2,1281.83"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so that's two. So who else did you lure up there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1283.65,1289.56"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I don't remember. [Laughter] Arthur Kaplan was definitely Jewish -- his mother was Hungarian Jewish -- and he met through me an Irish Catholic girl, whose name was Mary Burns. And they married and she came to New York too. And the son that I heard from maybe four or five months ago [unclear] that he was alive and well and his parents were dead. That was the child of Mary Burns and Arthur Kaplan. I really would like to hear from him. I haven't heard. I'd like to have a picture and see whom he resembles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1291.4,1353.14"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e It would be interesting to see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1356.589,1357.52"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Now tell me, when you went up to move to New York, it must have been such a change of pace from life here in Baltimore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1358.66,1366.7"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e It was, of course. There's no place like New York. And though Baltimore was not as boring as one might think in comparison to New York. Still, there was a great difference. I mean, there is no place and there wasn't a place like New York. And I lived with my uncle and aunt in the very center of Harlem. But my aunt was very strict. My uncle was away most of the time. He was a violinist, and as I said he had tuberculosis at that time, so he actually lived in the country, up in Elmsford, New York with his mother, my grandmother. But my aunt had a niece who lived with her. And she was a bit older than I was, but she knew all the places where we could go to drink cocoa in the evening or to dance. Those were places which we didn't have in Baltimore. Such activity. And they were mostly in Harlem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1369.7,1457.33"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e So while you were up in the big city, you still had a very firm hand on your shoulders, sort of keeping an eye on things? [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1459.59,1466.52"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. We were supposed to be in by a certain time every night and if we were late, my aunt was angry and said, You musn't do that, you must be in. I remembered that my mother laughed at it. She said, Yes, that's right. Of course, that's what she should do. But she laughed and she said, You know, you can get in as much trouble between nine and ten as you can between ten and eleven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1466.94,1497.69"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that is one thing about being a music student. You have so much to do and you can only afford to do so much fooling around without getting yourself --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1502.58,1515.9"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Quite right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1516.57,1516.95"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e So I think musicians are always slightly handicapped in that regard or possibly it's an advantage depending on perspective.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1517.88,1526.88"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e I was about to say it may be an advantage. I remembered some of the things -- nostalgia. I walked a lot. I used to walk when I was [unclear] in the middle of the day, at two o'clock. I would walk in New York downtown, perhaps from one end of Fifth Avenue to the other, looking in the store windows. Those huge, big stores along Fifth Avenue and then I would go down that way and come up on Park Avenue. So I knew New York fairly well and certain sections because I walked there so much. And another thing I did every week or nearly every week, I took the tram out to Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York to visit my maternal grandmother and I usually ate dinner there. I would eat there after school on Friday, and I had a very good close contact with her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1527.72,1610.2"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember hearing about your father's mother, but I've not heard a great deal about your mother's mother. Tell me about her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1611.19,1619.17"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, what shall I tell, where should I begin? First of all, she was very religious. She read the Bible every night, and she wasn't at all shy about quoting it to us from time to time, but not to the extent that it got boring. She would just quote the Bible. She belonged to a church. I think the name was Christadelphians. It was a very special cult. Probably one of the harmless ones, if you know what I mean. And she went to church every Sunday and she played the organ. And as a young girl, she had lived with her stepfather and mother. And when the stepfather made overtures to her one time, she ran away from home and got a job with some wealthier people where she was given her own room and even the daughter in the family taught her to play the piano. She worked for them as a servant, and I suppose she had had a minimum of schooling, at least maybe to the eighth or ninth grade. But she read. She read the Bible. After all, the Bible isn't so easy to read. And she read magazines that they gave her. I can't tell all the things in between.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1625.87,1742.12"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e But she loved music, and she used to go to the concerts of a man named William Henry Wiggins, who had an Indian Irish mother and some other kind of father. I suppose he was Irish too, or Scottish, and he was what we call today an Irish tenor. He had a beautiful tenor voice. And when he was gone and worked and made money, he would hire a hall every year and give a concert. And he was so successful that they said that the elite of the city would come to his concerts once a year. And of course, the Black people could stand in the back of the balcony and listen. Otherwise it was segregated. And my grandmother would go to these concerts. I don't know what she called herself, or where she placed herself or what, but she heard him sing and somehow she met him and they finally married. And [Wiggins] was my mother's father. I can't tell you all the lineage of my grandmother, but she had also some Indian and some Irish and some African in her. And she was the one that had some African blood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1742.75,1850.2"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Wonderful gene pool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1854.76,1855.96"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't know, you mix it all up and put a little salt and pepper, and it's probably good soup. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1856.53,1864.69"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e To have grandmothers who are musically talented, one of whom married a singer -- my goodness, it was almost inescapable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1868.13,1879.24"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it was inescapable. Then my mother sang, and my grandmother's oldest son, my mother's older brother, who studied the violin, and they all -- I don't know. I'm so sorry that I don't have more information on exactly how they managed these things in Wilmington, North Carolina, where Black people or even mixed racial people -- not necessarily Black -- were segregated, and had poor jobs and lived in poor sections. I don't know any of these things, except that they all somehow got music lessons. And then my uncle, William Wiggins, who had begun to study the violin -- he must have studied with a good teacher because he moved to New York and he worked and he studied violin, and he even finally studied with a very famous violin teacher. Now the name doesn't come to me. Mannes [phonetic], William Mannes, I think. And he studied with him, and he became [a] better and better violinist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1880.59,1966.96"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e And my mother's second oldest brother studied the guitar and the mandolin in New York. I don't know where they got the money to study or what. And then after a while, the two brothers decided that their mother and sister should come to New York to live in the meanwhile. They had good jobs and they got an apartment. And my mother and her mother traveled to New York and lived, and my mother went to high school in New York City and studied piano and singing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=1968.13,2016.85"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, your grandmother must have been delighted to have you close at hand in New York City going to school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2019.17,2024.9"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, she was. She was very fond of me. I'd like to think that I was her favorite grandchild. [Laughter] She had lots of grandchildren. My oldest uncle, William, he never had any children. But Harry and Oliver, the two other brothers, they had four or five children each, three or four children. And my mother had four daughters, so she had at least ten grandchildren. She didn't see them all very much, except that Harry and Oliver. She lived out in Flatbush in the same house with Oliver, the youngest of her sons. [unclear]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2026.13,2074.199"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Did she get to come in and hear you perform in New York?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2076.239,2078.489"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think she ever did. I think I went out there and sang once in her church. But it was just one time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2079.31,2091.51"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e How old were you the first time you toured with Porgy and Bess?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2097.28,2101.57"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e It was the end of our first Broadway season. It was in January or February. We opened in New York in October, and we took our first tour in January or February. And we were first in Philadelphia and then Baltimore, where we had the problem with segregation, which turned out not to be a problem because we insisted that we wouldn't sing if the hall was segregated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2116.18,2155.16"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Was this at Constitution Hall or at Ford's [Theatre]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2156.33,2160.869"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it was the Lyric Theatre. I'm really not sure. Could they have given an opera at the Lyric?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2160.869,2177.21"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, they could well have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2177.81,2178.98"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e The stage was large enough, those details.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2179.85,2182.5"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I do remember your telling me about the difficulty at Constitution Hall in Washington.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2187.71,2193.86"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, wait a minute, I'm mixing two things up. It wasn't Baltimore at all. We never played in Baltimore as a group. It was Constitution Hall in Washington that I'm thinking about. No, it was the theater, not Constitution Hall. It was the theater in Washington. What was the name of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2197.47,2220.21"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e There was Ford's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2220.66,2220.99"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe it was Ford's. I'm not sure. I have to go back and look at my book [autobiography]. I have the Norwegian version, of course, here. Did you see ever the Norwegian version?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2222.94,2236.14"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I have indeed, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2236.5,2237.79"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e But you you managed to get [the issue of segregation at Ford's Theatre] sorted out with your co-star [Todd Duncan].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2240.46,2244.449"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. You know, he claimed credit for having done that. But when I first started out and said, I'm not going to sing, he said, You're a fool, you have to sing. And the others said the same thing. \"Don't be silly. They would blackball you.\" Remember that word? \"They'll blackball you everywhere. You'll never get a job on Broadway again if you break your contract.\" And I said, I'm not going to sing. If I never get a job again, I don't care. I'll do something else -- I can teach. I can get a job teaching in high school, I have a musical diploma. And then suddenly Todd joined me and said yes. I can remember so well that we signed a paper, and I laughed because he had written his name larger than anyone else at the very end of the words. And it made me so angry that I -- not angry, but stubborn -- that I wrote my name as large as possible nearly on top of his. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2247.91,2334.129"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e That is wonderful. And he actually had less to lose than you because he was already on the faculty at Howard University so he had that to fall back on, whereas you were a young struggling artist. Well, not struggling at that point. But life traveling back in those days could not have been an altogether pleasant experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2335.83,2368.74"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, when we traveled on tour, we traveled as a group and they had special cars. The Porgy and Bess people had our own car and they had a car for scenery -- So that was not a problem because we were all together as a group and we didn't have to contend with any conflicts or segregation. Or we might say, we segregated ourselves by having our own traveling car.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2370.84,2408.76"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e But what about later on when you were traveling as an independent artist?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2410.97,2415.14"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that was more difficult. Generally, I just went and bought a ticket and went into the car and sat down, and nobody paid any attention to me. The few times that I had a companion who was much darker in skin color than I, then there was trouble. But if I traveled alone or some few times when Arthur Kaplan traveled with me, nobody noticed me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2416.97,2455.64"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Bewitched them with those hazel eyes, did you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2457.88,2460.19"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, not at all. [Laughter] I just turned my back and they didn't bother to examine exactly the tone color of my skin. I had what I called in those days -- and still do -- very low visibility as a so-called colored person. That is it. Also, they called it passing. \"She could pass.\" In other words, she could pass for a White person, when she really was not a White person, but colored. You know, those things are so far behind that I remember them, but not vividly. They sort of faded into the background.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2463.77,2524.81"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, isn't that a good thing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2525.62,2526.64"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course it's good, unless I want to write about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2527.24,2531.05"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, you were talking about your mother and the responsibilities that she was shouldering raising four children and basically having to put on hold her career. But you had some of that because you married and actually, I came across a newspaper article in the Afro-American where word had gotten out that you had married this young man named [Dr. Florada H.] Howard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2535.34,2564.379"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e No kidding -- you got that article?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2565.4,2567.2"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I found it, and you denied the marriage and your mother was trying to contact you and she couldn't reach you and she was telegraphing you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2567.98,2575.57"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e I wish you would send me a copy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2579.05,2580.46"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I will be delighted to send you a copy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2580.73,2582.83"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Fantastic, because that's really something. Where on earth did you get that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2584.81,2590.48"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e In my perusing through the Afro-American.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2591.38,2593.51"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e I see. That's fantastic. Yes, I remember that. That is a long story of a pianist I had in New York just before the time when Arthur Kaplan came to New York. And of course, I used him as an accompanist as much as I did [the first pianist] after he arrived. I didn't cut her out altogether, but I used him sometimes as an accompanist, and she was very angry. She didn't want anybody to cut in on her accompanying me. And she had been with me at the time I married Florada when I was nineteen, and so she told a friend of hers who worked on a newspaper in New York. It was a Negro newspaper that came out once a week, and she told this woman and this woman wrote about it. And of course, the Afro-American, that was also a Negro newspaper, picked it up. I remember the editor called my father and said, Congratulations, I hear that Annie has married in New York, and my father didn't know anything about it. It's a wonder he didn't have a heart attack because that was the last thing in the world he expected of his daughter, or wanted us to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2594.65,2713.507"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e So my mother tried getting in touch [unclear], and she was frightened because of what my father would do. Maybe he would even hit me. And so she said, Come here at once. And I got on the train and went down, and my father wouldn't speak to me. He just looked at me with disdain and to say, Anybody that's so stupid, at the beginning -- not even the beginning yet -- of a career that could be important, that you would secretly go off and marry some boy in the medical school -- He just had contempt for what I had done. But before the day was over -- \"Why did you do it?\" He asked me a dozen times. \"Why did you do such a thing?\" I was wondering if he wondered if I had slept with this boy and gotten pregnant. I thought that was in the back of his head. And I said it was just because we were in love. There's nothing else. No other reason. We were in love and we wanted to be married. And so that sort of tuned him down -- when he realized that I was telling the truth and there was nothing wrong with me, then he sort of halfway accepted. But I remember that he asked me, Do you want me to have it annulled? Because he knew all the people -- lawyers and even authorities in Baltimore. \"Want me to have it annulled?\" And I said no. And he was even more disgusted. [Laughter] But that was that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2718.38,2854.05"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, was your father right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2856.676,2857.76"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it depends on how you look at it. Of course he was right in a certain sense. Right as a father and as a person who would look forward to his daughter's having a career which she herself wanted, and all that. On the other hand, there is the basic quality of life to be considered. And the fact that young people -- nineteen, twenty -- it's very natural for them to get together, in many ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2860.57,2905.35"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e We have to pause just a moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2907.647,2908.71"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379/transcript/34916/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF PART 1]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117379#t=2909.13,2909.13"}]}]},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - pims0091_BrownA_200210_02.mp3"]},"duration":229.04163,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/117/380/small/Anne_Brown_photoshop_jpeg.jpg?1649882751","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-peabody.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/117/380/original/pims0091_BrownA_200210_02.mp3?1624270773","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":229.04163,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/transcript/34915","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["AUTO_TRINT_pims0091_BrownA_200210_02.mp3 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/transcript/34915/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. So you went back up to New York and he obviously had to come to grips with this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380#t=6.14,15.38"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/transcript/34915/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380#t=16.01,16.01"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/transcript/34915/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And so where did you set up housekeeping? How was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380#t=16.153,21.448"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/transcript/34915/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, soon afterwards, my husband's mother had died and his father, who was a priest, and his two brothers lived in a large apartment on the top floor over the church. And I went there to live with my father-in-law and brothers-in-law and my husband. We had our own big, very nice room and they had someone who cleaned and cooked the food and worked for them all the time. They had that all along, because they couldn't have done it -- these men, they couldn't have done it. So that suited me very well because I wasn't responsible for any housework or anything like that. And I could go on to -- was I in school? I don't remember exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380#t=22.43,90.77"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/transcript/34915/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, at nineteen, you would still be in Juilliard, would you not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380#t=93.59,97.58"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/transcript/34915/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I guess sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen. Yes, I was still at Juilliard. And I remember when Mrs. [Lucia] Dunham, my teacher, heard it. She was shocked too. [Laughter] \"Why did you do a thing like that?\" Well, how can you explain that -- how you could do a thing like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380#t=98.0,121.3"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/transcript/34915/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think you did -- that you have to have a life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380#t=121.66,124.18"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/transcript/34915/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well -- I mean, we could have gone on doing the same things without being married. I mean, marriage was sort of like sealing the valve, putting it down on paper and getting the authorities to accept you, and so on. We could have gone on living without actually doing that. Of course, then there would not have been any question of moving in with him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380#t=125.75,161.61"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/transcript/34915/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. A different time. But my goodness, with him being in medical school and you getting ready to go on for a career in the theater and as a concert artist, my goodness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380#t=162.5,178.29"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/transcript/34915/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e It was quite a life, yes. Well, I hope you are not paying for this telephone call. That's all I can think of at the moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380#t=181.39,195.84"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/transcript/34915/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think the tape recording is going well, and I think that's a good thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380#t=199.67,208.16"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/transcript/34915/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eANNE BROWN:\u003c/strong\u003e Good, all right. Have we done enough for the day?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380#t=209.21,212.9"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380/transcript/34915/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that you can probably be excused for the rest of the day, and then we'll schedule another time. So I'm going to turn the machine off now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44114/file/117380#t=214.129,226.01"}]}]}]}