{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/iiif/639k35mw7x/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Isaiah Dixon Jr. oral history, 2002 August 22"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/008/original/peabody-institute.logo.large.horizontal.blue.cropped.png?1549570058","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":[" Isaiah Dixon Jr. (1922-2013) was a jazz fan, world traveler, and four-term state delegate from Baltimore City whose accomplishments included introducing a bill that made cross burnings a felony in Maryland. In 1976, he introduced a bill giving the mayor of Baltimore the power to appoint the city police commissioner. He was the son of Isaiah (Ike) Dixon Sr., a jazz bandleader and owner of the Comedy Club on Pennsylvania Avenue.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eIn this interview, Dixon Jr. recounts his memories of the Comedy Club and the many famous jazz musicians who performed there from the 1930s until the club closed in about 1965. He discusses racially integrated audiences at Pennsylvania Avenue music clubs and the eventual decline of the music scene on the Avenue. (Abstract)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":[" 2002-08-22 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":[" Dixon, Isaiah, Jr., 1922-2013 (Interviewee)"," Schaaf, Elizabeth M. (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":[" English (Primary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["audio/mp3"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins University"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["The collection is open for use. Contact peabodyarchives@lists.jhu.edu for more information."]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://aspace.library.jhu.edu/repositories/4/archival_objects/215347"]}}],"summary":{"en":[" Isaiah Dixon Jr. (1922-2013) was a jazz fan, world traveler, and four-term state delegate from Baltimore City whose accomplishments included introducing a bill that made cross burnings a felony in Maryland. In 1976, he introduced a bill giving the mayor of Baltimore the power to appoint the city police commissioner. He was the son of Isaiah (Ike) Dixon Sr., a jazz bandleader and owner of the Comedy Club on Pennsylvania Avenue.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eIn this interview, Dixon Jr. recounts his memories of the Comedy Club and the many famous jazz musicians who performed there from the 1930s until the club closed in about 1965. He discusses racially integrated audiences at Pennsylvania Avenue music clubs and the eventual decline of the music scene on the Avenue."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["The collection is open for use. 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I-S-A-I-A-H. My\nfriends call me Ike. I was born in Baltimore City, 12/23/1922. My parents were\nIsaiah Dixon Sr. and Evelyn Phillips Dixon. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Mr. Dixon, what are your earliest memories of music in the community\nwhen you were growing up? What kind of music was your family listening to? \n\n\n\nDIXON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, that's a pretty hard question, now that I'm seventy-nine years old.\nI would say it was Dixieland. The music that my father played. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Did your father rehearse at home with the band? \n\n\n\nDIXON: No, he didn't rehearse at home. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Practically everyone I have talked to in the course of this project has\ntalked about your father and his band, and the Comedy Club, which was like Mecca\nfor music lovers in Baltimore on Pennsylvania Avenue for years and years. How\nlong did the Comedy Club last?  \n\n\n\nDIXON: In the 1960s I think was the end of the Comedy Club. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let me see. It's a\nhard question for me, mostly because I was away at school. In 1960 until an\nurban renewal came along and sort or rejuvenated Pennsylvania Avenue -- was\nsupposed to rejuvenate it. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Rejuvenated it out of existence. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Right. So that was it. But I left--my brother was running the Comedy\nClub--and I left in 1960 to do my own thing. I had my own business, real estate,\nbonding and insurance, because I got married and wanted to do something on my own.  \n\nHe had his ideas on the way things were to be done, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I had my way. So it was\nbest for us to just go across the bridge, but we were good friends all the time.\nI would go in and see what he was doing from time to time. That was it. But I\nloved music, and we still had good music coming then. That was it. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Now, did your father ever talk to you about how he came to start the\nComedy Club? \n\n\n\nDIXON: He probably did. I know that my mother got tired of him running around\nthe country, since the children were here, so he decided to go into business. So\nhe bought a hall up on Pennsylvania Avenue. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Downstairs they had a printing\nbusiness, and upstairs they had what you call the Comedy Club. I'm a little\nshaky in spots. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: No, that's all right. Now, I was really fascinated to find out that, you\nknow, as early as 1931 he's pictured there with his own bus traveling around.\nAnd it said that he was the first, one of the great bands to have their own bus\nand, you know, be in control of their own transportation and touring the country. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Let me say this. You asked me did he tell me anything. He wasn't a person\nto talk to about himself.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Too busy doing things? \n\n DIXON: No, not too busy doing things. He just was like that. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because a person\ntalking about I'm doing this and I'm doing that, and he puts his hands like\nthis. He was never like that. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: You talked about your mother. It must have been a worry to her having\nhim out on the road back in those days. Because traveling around the country\nduring segregation, it was just downright dangerous. Surely she must have\nwondered every time he went out on the road whether he was going to come back safely. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Well, she never talked about it, but I know that she was tired of him\ngoing and coming. She wanted him to settle down. That's how he come to go into\nbusiness. He knew all the musicians, so he got into the promoting business also.  \n\nHe had a lot of things spin off from him being a musician. He knew all the\nmusicians, he knew all the agents for the musicians. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it was a natural thing for him to fall into. \n\n\n\nDIXON: That's right. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And he had some great musicians coming into that club. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Well, he knew a lot of them. He knew Duke Ellington, he knew Louis\nArmstrong, he knew Fletcher Henderson. He knew them personally, and not just\nbecause they were who they were. Because they played music together, and\nnaturally they hung out together. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Right. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Or whatever they did, you know. But he just knew him personally. And when\nthey were in town or he brought them to town or for a promotion thing, they'd\nalways come to see him. And I took all that for granted. \n\nI met Louis Armstrong, I met Duke, I met all these people, but I took it for\ngranted. See now that it comes up now, I'm mad because I didn't hold on to it. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Right, right. Well, it sounds like you held on to some of it.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: Well, I don't know. It was just an everyday thing to me. It didn't. Duke Ellington. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh my goodness. That is amazing. Well, you know, it was just a part of\nday-to-day life for you. That's pretty amazing. Did your mother let you go down\nto the club to hear the groups when they played? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes, she did. Yes, we did. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So how old were you? Do you remember when you started going down to\nlisten to the music at the club? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Well, I'll tell you. We used to work at the club. Yes, we took bottles\nand put them in the empty bottles and put them in the cases and things. That was\npart of us getting our allowance. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh that's great. \n\n\n\nDIXON: My mother had us doing something there all the time. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh that's wonderful.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: Then I worked up to be a cashier.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh that's great. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yeah. She always had us doing something, you know. So I knew the\nmusicians myself. I still know them now. I love music myself, see. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And you had good business experience to boot.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"True. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: That's really great. So you were actively involved in the club and\nhelping to run the club. \n\n\n\nDIXON: I thought I was. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And your brother as well? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes. Both of us. She had us doing something, always doing something. We\nwere active.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Now, what time did the Comedy Club open? Was it early in the evening,\nand how late in the evening did they go?  \n\n\n\nDIXON: Well, he had a bar in the front, and the lounge was in the rear. In his\nfirst club he had printing office downstairs, and the lounge was upstairs.\nAround nine o'clock I would say for the lounge.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And then just go on until the--? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Two o'clock. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Two o'clock in the morning when everybody had to close down. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Right. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And someone mentioned that your father made arrangements to have people\nstay at the club if they needed? \n\n\n\nDIXON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. He had a hotel, and they stayed there. And then the baseball\nplayers used to stay there also. I remember [Roy] Campanella and various players\nthat I met. Didn't notice it at the time, I just-- \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So you had the music stars and the baseball stars coming through. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes. That's right. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Now, did you have favorite musicians who came through that you enjoyed\nmore than others? \n\n\n\nDIXON: I liked Count Basie, and I liked Billie Holiday. And I liked Lester\nYoung. Naturally I liked Louis Armstrong because I tried to play a trumpet\nmyself. My father spent a lot of money on me. It didn't pay off, and they used\nto tell me Ikie you're not hungry, you'd never be a musician. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Who was your teacher? \n\n\n\nDIXON: A fellow by the name of [Clarence] Babe Bright, a musician around here. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh yes. Yes. \n\n\n\nDIXON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You've heard his name? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh absolutely.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes. He taught me trumpet. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: He taught Roy McCoy. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yeah. Yeah. Well, he did good with Roy, but not with me. Yeah. [Laughter] \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yeah, Mr. McCoy said he studied with Mr. Bright, and he studied with A.\nJack Thomas. It must have been a little bit daunting to be a student trumpet\nplayer and then hearing somebody like Louis Armstrong play at the club. \n\n\n\nDIXON: No, Louis Armstrong played at the promotions things that my father had,\nand he also played at the Royal Theatre. He never played at the club. Although\nhe would frequent the club because of my father, you know. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I see. So he came down there as a friend.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: Right. Yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And Billie Holiday, was she a young star starting out or was she already\nestablished when she was coming to the club? \n\n\n\nDIXON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I would say she was starting out when she started out with Count\nBasie. Well, they used to come up to the club to practice. See, he used to let\nthem practice, you know, when they were going through the town and have a couple\ndays off, he'd make arrangements to use my father's lounge to practice.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I see. \n\n\n\nDIXON: But my father knew Billie Holiday's father, so they were friends. So\nthat's how I met many of the musicians, Lester Young and all. I met them because\nthey used to practice there and I used to go up to hear them practice. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh that's great. That's really great. \n\n\n\nDIXON: And all of this, like I say, all of this I took lightly. I didn't know\nthat this meant so much to people. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And your father had his own band at the club for a while, didn't he? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Well, I don't remember him having his own band at the club. But I know he\nhad bands that went all around the country, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and especially in West Virginia,\nNorth Carolina, Pennsylvania. The circuit where Blacks were and wanted to be entertained. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Right. Right. Now tell me a little bit about you. Where did you go to\nschool when you started out in school in elementary school? You were living on\nDolphin Street? \n\n\n\nDIXON: That's correct. I started out at Argyle Elementary School on Argyle\nAvenue. My brother and I started up there. And then my brother transferred. My\nmother let my brother transfer to St. Peter Claver's. And I got sort of upset\nbecause every time I turned around he was home. A holiday, Assumption Day or All\nSaints Day. So I said, what the heck is this? He's not going to school and I'm\ngoing to school. So I told my mother I want to go to Catholic school. He seems\nto be learning more than me. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So she let me go to, transfer to St. Peter\nClaver's. So I went to St. Peter Claver's, from there I went to Douglass High\nSchool, from Douglass High School I went to the Army, and from the Army I went\nto Howard University, and then I came home and I worked with my father for a while. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: There were oh, so many musicians came through Douglass High School, and\nthere were some great musicians teaching there. Do you remember the music\nteachers at Douglass? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Mr. [Llewellyn] Wilson, I think you've heard the name. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Everybody. \n\n\n\nDIXON: And I played in school band. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh you did? At trumpet. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh my goodness. What was he like to work with? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Oh wonderful. He was a personality. Everybody loved Mr. Wilson.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: My goodness. \n\n\n\nDIXON: He could play the piano with style. He could play anything, any kind of\nmusic, you know. He had the flavor. And he had a personality to go with it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In a\nsense I think he could be a Fats Waller in a way, but if he had just a little\nbit more. I don't know how to put it. But he could have been a Fats Waller if he\nwanted to. He was a big statured fellow. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: He must have been the most beloved musician in Baltimore. And there was\na lady named Georgeanna Chester there, too. I think she had vocal music. \n\n\n\nDIXON: I recall the name, but I can't elaborate on her in any way. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Now do you remember some of the other musicians who went to Douglass\nHigh School when you were here? I think Ellis Larkins. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Ellis Larkins. Yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yeah. And he played with the Colored Symphony Orchestra at Douglass High School. \n\n\n\nDIXON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He played with what? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: He was soloist with the Colored Symphony Orchestra when Mrs. Roosevelt\ncame to Douglass in connection with I think an NAACP event. And Mr. Wilson led\nthat concert. And let's see, who else was there at your time?  \n\n\n\nDIXON: I don't know whether Cab Calloway went to Douglass High School or not. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yes he did. He would have been quite a bit before you. And Anne Brown,\nAvon Long. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Cab used to sing with my father from time to time. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Did he really? \n\n\n\nDIXON: There was an article in the Sun paper, and I'll try to find that article\nfor you. I don't know what I did with it. But I'm quite sure you can probably\nretrieve it.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh that's wonderful. \n\n\n\nDIXON: But my father's main vocalist was Vernon Hutchins. Hutchins, his name is\non there [trophy awarded to Dixon Sr. and his band]. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In fact-- here. In fact, he\nresembled Cab Calloway. He didn't have that type of style. He was a sort of a\ncrooner type. Now, see, they can use a megaphone. I think. I'm not sure. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Vernon Hutchins. Where was he from? Do you remember? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Baltimore.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: He was from Baltimore? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes. I think he was related to Cab Calloway in some way. I'm not sure.\nMaybe somebody else can elaborate on that for you. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I'll have to find out about that. That is quite the biggest loving cup I\nhave ever seen. Won by the \"Dixon's Jazz Demons, February 26, 1923,\" in Philadelphia. \n\n\n\nDIXON: I was one year old. That's why my mother was wanting him to come home.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh my goodness. In the band contest. This is just amazing. So where did\nthis marvelous thing live in your house when you were growing up? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Where did that live? I don't recall.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Vernon Hutchins was the regular soloist with the band and toured with\nthe band. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yeah. Do you know how long he stayed with the band? \n\n\n\nDIXON: No. I don't. There's a person by the name, I think his name is Bill\nDorsey [phonetic], around town here, and he used to travel with my father. Bill\nDorsey. He's a big Mason. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe you could find out through the Masons around here. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: All right. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Let's see what else. One moment. [Pause] He doesn't live there anymore.\nHe lived in the Belvedere apartments between Northern Parkway and Falls Road.\n[Unclear address]. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Did you continue with your music when you went on to Howard University? \n\n\n\nDIXON: No. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Or had you branched out into other directions? \n\n\n\nDIXON: No, I got into football. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I liked sports also. I got into football, and I\nwas the manager of the basketball team. So that took a lot of my time, in fact\nit took too much of my time. I went to Howard University to be a mathematician\nand ended up majoring in psychology and economics because that was easy. So I\ndidn't do what I should have done. You know, that's what I wanted to be, a\nmathematician. But that's the way it goes. \n\nSo I ended up with a real estate brokers license, insurance broker's license.\nAnd so I got into business. I really should have followed the business that my\nfather was in -- promoting music. He knew all the people at the William Morris\nAgency, MCA [Records]. He knew all those people. And he could get bands without\nputting deposits down. Like people had to-- \n\nLike some promoters would have to put a big deposit down. Ike Dixon, no. He did\nnot do all that. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Had the reputation. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we wasted a lot by not actually following in his footsteps. And I\nregret it sometimes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, you've done extremely well. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes. That's so, but that's just that I had the foundation for it. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yeah. I can see how you would say that. In looking back, you did have\nthis fabulous foundation and this wonderful background, and the heir apparent.\nBut now how many children do you have? \n\n\n\nDIXON: I have one son and one daughter. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And they're doing very well.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And neither one of them have carved out careers as musicians?  \n\n\n\nDIXON: My son can play piano, but he let it go. He regrets it sometimes because\nhe had a lovely touch.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it would be hard to look at your career and say that it was\nanything but a great success. And you have a wonderful family. \n\n\n\nDIXON: In that way I do okay. But I think that sometimes I should have-- \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, he certainly, your father had such a glamorous, glamorous life. I\nmean, he knew everybody in the music world.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: In town and out of town.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: In town and out. You're absolutely right. And do you think it was hard\nfor him to give up being out on the road? \n\n\n\nDIXON: I don't know. He was a person who seems to adjust to most anything. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, that's a gift. It is a gift.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: Didn't get too upset about anything just mind his own business. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've heard several of the older musicians in town talk about--he had an\neye for talent and was very helpful, providing opportunities to younger\nmusicians. He hired Tracy McCleary when he was a young musician just coming into\ntown. And didn't he conduct the band at the Comedy Club for a while? \n\n\n\nDIXON: I think he did.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yeah. And Tracy tells this story with a little bit of embarrassment\nabout maybe not being too terribly kind about your father's generosity because I\nthink he bolted with the band without giving your father any notice, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which must\nhave been a bit of a problem for someone who provided an opportunity for a young\nmusician out of town. \n\n\n\nDIXON: But I can tell you this, that's only momentarily. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, he did say that they stayed friends. A lesser man I think would\nhave been pretty upset about that. But that's quite a tribute. Now, did your\nfamily go to church at Peter Claver? \n\n\n\nDIXON: St. Pius. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, at St. Pius.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: And school at St. Peter's, yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Was your father or your mother involved in music in the church at St. Pius? \n\n\n\nDIXON: No. My mother was a housemaker.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: A woman of her time, looking after her family. \n\n\n\nDIXON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And she used to--whenever my father had an attraction out at New Albert\nHall or the Strand Ballroom or anything, she used to take care of the cloakroom,\nand make some money. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: What kind of attractions was he involved with at New Albert Hall? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Cab Calloway, Louis Armstrong, Fletcher Henderson... Lena Horne used to\ncome there. Lena Horne and my mother were very good friends. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So he was booking major acts into New Albert Hall? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yeah. He did all of this. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And also the Strand. \n\n\n\nDIXON: He also booked boxing and all that. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: No. \n\n\n\nDIXON: My father had a basketball team.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh for heavens sakes. I didn't know this.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes. He just naturally could do this. When people knew that he could do\ncertain things, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like if an agency like William Morris had somebody wanting\npromoting around the country -- they had the network of people in different\nareas -- and they would come to my father. Like Joe Glazer, he used to manage\nLouis Armstrong, called my father, said, \"Can you place Billie Holiday or\nsomebody down there for a couple of days, or find a place for them?\" So my\nfather used to network with somebody in Washington, D.C. Say, \"Ike, if you can\nget somebody, I would really like to use them.\" My father would say, \"Well, I\ngot Billie Holiday and such and such or Teddy Wilson. Can you use them in\nWashington, D.C.?\" \"Oh, I'd like to have them for a couple of days.\"\n\nUsed to do that a lot. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So his world was much, much bigger than the confines of the Comedy Club.\nThat's amazing. And was he involved at all in doing any of the promotions with\nthe Royal Theatre? \n\n\n\nDIXON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: That was another whole separate operation. He must have had contact with\nthe band leaders like Rivers Chambers, Bubby Johnson. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Oh yes. Yes. Yes. They were fabulous persons, Bubby Johnson and Rivers\nChambers. And Rivers Chambers was a society musician. He used to play all\naround, up in the Valley and so forth.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: What was Bubby Johnson like? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Wonderful person. I knew these people, but all I can say is that he had a\nnice personality.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Some of the musicians that I met that played with him, the thing that\nI've noticed is that they all have in common this wonderful sense of humor and\nthese marvelous outgoing personalities. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember Roy McCoy saying he had to do\nthis, or you didn't get to play with people like Rivers Chambers or Bubby\nJohnson and, who was the other one, Bus Green. That was the other one. \n\n\n\nDIXON: I remember Bus Green. Was he a drummer? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, I know he had a band at Club Orleans. \n\n\n\nDIXON: I think he was a drummer. Yeah.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: There was another club that Tracy McCleary played in when he was a young\nmusician, called the Avenue.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: Right up the street. Yeah. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Up the street from the Comedy Club.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: Well, live music was the thing. Didn't have this technology.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It must have been incredibly exciting walking down Pennsylvania Avenue,\npast the Strand and the Ritz and the Avenue and your father's club, just one\nmarvelous music scene after another. The Tijuana.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: I realize this now. That it was. I enjoyed it. But I didn't realize how\nfabulous it was, and what I was missing till this happens now.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: What were the clubs that could rank with the Comedy Club?  \n\n\n\nDIXON: Club Casino, Tijuana, the Avenue, Gamby's, Club Astoria up on the east\nside. A couple of other ones. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1680.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't want to forget any. There were a lot of\nclubs around this town. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Did you have favorites? Which ones did you like to go to that you\nthought were the classiest and had the best music? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Well, I didn't do a lot of nightclubbing, to tell you the truth. I liked\nthe Tijuana because they had the cabaret-style thing. It wasn't a bar, or\nanything like that. You could sit down at the table and just let it soak in. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Someone mentioned, I'm not sure I can remember the name of it, but there\nwas a restaurant that used to have music. Was it a place called Phil's? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Phil's. Yes, it was Phil's, or was it Garrison's or what? It was Phil's.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1740.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know a Phil's but I don't recall where it was. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And it was a restaurant where they had music. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes. I think they did have music. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Very high-toned place. I think someone said it was where you took your\ngirl if you really wanted to impress her or ask to marry her. Were there other\nplaces like that around apart from Phil's? \n\n\n\nDIXON: I'd go to the Club Astoria. They had good music and they had a restaurant also. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I mean it sounds like you all were incredibly busy growing up. I mean,\nyou were going to school, having to keep up with your studies, working at the\nComedy Club, and involved in all these sports. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Well, I didn't work twenty-four hours a day. I didn't work eight hours a\nday. At the Comedy Club it just a couple of hours, you know. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1800.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My father didn't\nlet anything interfere with our schooling. Like if we'd get out of school around\nthree o'clock in the afternoon, we'd come around there and do something. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So then you had plenty of time to go back and tend to your-- \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes. That's right. Then I got wiser, I'd want to track [unclear] and\ndifferent things so I was excused from going to the club. [Laughter] If we had\nextracurricular activities that interfered with coming to the club it was okay\nwith him. You didn't have to come. As long as we were doing something sort of constructive.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Right. Right. Well, that sounds like a great--I was just hearing from\nDr. Reppard Stone-- \n\n\n\nDIXON: Dr. who? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Dr. Stone. He taught at Howard, fairly recently. And Henry Baker about\nHenry Baker's haberdashery on Pennsylvania Avenue. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1860.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You must remember that very well. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes. I remember that. Yes. He was a pretty good businessman and musician.\nHe loved music. He also had a lot of beauty salons around town for a while. I\ndon't know what happened to those. He had the same idea that the Cuttery\n[unclear] had. In fact, when they sprung up around here I thought maybe he was involved. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: He seems like a gentleman who's always a little ahead of the time.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: Right. Yes. I always thought he was a part of that. And I found out later\nhe wasn't. Somebody else took off.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Goodness. I interviewed him yesterday, and he was talking about how he\nused to have a piano in the back of his haberdashery where people could come and\nspend some time in the afternoon.  \n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=1920.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was just amazing to me how that whole vibrant scene seemed to have just\nstopped all of a sudden. And there must have been a lot of reasons -- the end of\nsegregation when people could go anywhere they wanted to. And then, Mondawmin\nwas built up, probably pretty stiff competition for the shops down there, and television. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Changing times. That's what it is. Integration. That was it. What else\ncould I attribute it to? 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There were others, just as popular as Camp--I forgot his\nname that quick -- ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=2040.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the catcher we were talking about.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Campanella. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Campanella. People just as popular as he stay there. Josh Gibson I think\nstayed there.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Did you used to go see the baseball games? \n\n\n\nDIXON: My father used to take us to Black Sox Park to see games. Used to see\nSatchel Paige. My father knew him. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: That was quite a baseball team out there. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yeah. Elite Giants. I remember them. My father knew the owners of these\nteams, you know. Homestead Grays, Pittsburgh Crawfords. What else? I just wish I\ncould-- So much I just-- \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=2100.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What an exciting childhood. I mean, I just can't imagine growing up with\nall of these musical giants coming through. \n\n\n\nDIXON: I enjoyed it and didn't realize what it was. I enjoyed it. Yes, I did. I\nwanted to be a musician, and I still would like to be a musician. I love music. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So what kind of music do you listen to now? \n\n\n\nDIXON: I listen to all kinds, but I like jazz. I like it because I can\nimprovise, turn it around. It's like any artist, like somebody painting. You see\ndifferent things and you play it differently. That's what I wanted to do and I\ncouldn't do it. I could read. I could read your music, but I couldn't improvise,\nor ad lib it, in other words.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: It's hard. It's a gift and a very complicated skill. \n\n\n\nDIXON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=2160.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My father used to [drums on table] do something on the drums, you know,\nand then play it different ways. I wanted to, but I just couldn't do it. I'd\njump from C down to E and go back and color it up. I just couldn't do it. [Laughter] \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Did you father's band ever make any recordings? \n\n\n\nDIXON: No. Not that I know of.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And his style was kind of Dixieland style? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Did he have like a signature tune that he identified with, or just\nenjoyed a broad repertoire? \n\n\n\nDIXON: I would say that I don't know. I was one year old when this happened there.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, it's too bad that he didn't enjoy reminiscing more about what\nhappened. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=2220.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He's obviously a man that kept looking at the future. And so he was\nnot disappointed when you decided that you were going to go on a different route\nand not stay involved in the club? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Well, like I said, he died in--was it 19--you have it there. My brother\nwas there, running the club when he passed away. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: '48? Was it? \n\n\n\nDIXON: '53, right? '53. So he didn't know that we didn't keep things going. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=2280.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So things were still very much in the swing at that time.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes. Alive. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And your brother kept running the club in very much along the lines that\nyour father had? \n\n\n\nDIXON: Yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: When did your brother take over from--? \n\n\n\nDIXON: From my father? Well, we ran it. And I left there in the '60s, I think.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Okay. And so, well, you and your brother were involved while your father\nwas still alive. And then your brother took over--? \n\n\n\nDIXON: I stayed with him a while, and then he took over totally. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, it probably was a good thing for family harmony to get out in a\ndifferent way.  \n\n\n\nDIXON: Well, true. But everything's okay. I thank my father for everything. 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Down in Washington they'd do five shows, from nine to two, we\nhad an act in between. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=2400.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And after acting they'd play twenty minutes, and then she\nwould come on and do her thing. In between the same thing. Continuous\nentertainment and they loved it.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And people coming and going all night. \n\n\n\nDIXON: True, true. Now see, which was good for musicians, and good for us.\nTrying to change over to that, we'd have to change people's habits. When you do\nthat, you get -- I'm not getting my money's worth! People like places like --\nwhat's that place in Washington -- the jazz place. You have to be in a position\nto change people's habits. And we couldn't do that on Pennsylvania Avenue.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Right. But it was certainly a glorious scene, wasn't it?  \n\n\n\nDIXON: Oh yeah, yeah. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=2460.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Beautiful. I didn't realize it. I realize it now more than\never. Those were the days! A lot of people thought that the Royal Theatre should\nbe there now. What would you do for parking?  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: You don't have a community close, you know, around the Avenue the way\nyou did. 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They didn't mind them coming just a few at a time, but too many\nthey didn't want it, and so we had to act accordingly. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I can't remember who it was, was telling me that like the Tijuana for a\nwhile seemed to be more heavily populated by Whites at some point. 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Or was it just something that happened gradually? \n\n\n\nDIXON: I think it was something that happened gradually. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=2700.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All of the sudden, I\ndon't know whether it was the NAACP or what different things that happened. Soda\nfountains and different things opened up. Then all of the sudden they could\ncome. So I attribute that to the civil rights movement to a degree, and the NAACP. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I was wondering whether, during the '40s, especially there were a lot of\nservice men stationed in and around Baltimore who would have been, as you\npointed out, from cities where you didn't have to pay any attention to [race], I\nwonder if that might have been a factor? \n\n\n\nDIXON: I don't know. We had service people, but we had not many. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=2760.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People out\nthere with the musicians or people who were following this kind of music that we\nhad. Like I said, my father didn't run just an ordinary place. The place had\nclass to it.  \n\n\n\nYou wouldn't come in just looking any way. If you were intoxicated, you couldn't\ncome in there. He had a policy, I would say, that some people probably weren't\ncomfortable with. That meant anybody, Black or White, so that was it.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, that certainly sounds like good business policy. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Well, that was it. But he had to have it. I guess he had to. He realized\nwhat he had to have \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, I guess he was catering to the top of the trade and had the\ntop-of-the-line acts coming in, so that makes total sense. \n\n\n\nDIXON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=2820.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when people realized that that wasn't what they wanted to hear or\nthat wasn't the way they wanted to dress, so that was it. So when they wanted to\ndress that way, they came there. When they weren't dressed that way, they went\nsomewhere else. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: One of the people that I have not been able to talk to yet is Mr.\n[William L.] Adams, who went into politics after having had a club for many years. \n\n\n\nDIXON: The Club Casino. Yes. He had some very good acts over there, and they\nwere competition for us sometime. Because they were taking some acts that we\nused to use, and vice versa. But that's, like I said, that's competition. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Keeps everything healthy. \n\n\n\nDIXON: Right. True. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401#t=2880.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117401/transcript/38416/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It makes you stay on your toes. We always remember that my\nfather always talked to the musicians, and he'd tell you who to get and we did. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: What was Mr. Adams like? Do you remember him back in those days when he\nstill had his club? \n\n\n\nDIXON: A wonderful person. A personality. Most, I would say, most Black people\nhave it. 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He got involved with them because of working with the management? 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Now, the Strand had dancing. I mean, people came there to dance and to listen to music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=26.02,35.05"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e That's correct. They did promotions on the side, also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=36.479,37.65"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e What kind of promotions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=39.19,39.64"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e They had [unclear] or big bands or Fats Waller, just like he did. He had competition, too, from The Strand. He used to bring acts in, and then the fellow from [unclear] used to manage the Royal Theatre, so he started doing the same thing that my father was doing. The competition started coming into this thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=42.07,68.25"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And he was inspiring the competition. Oh, my goodness. Price of success.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=69.12,74.7"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e But he got a lot of favoritism because he was a musician. William Morris Agency would call him and say, \"So-and-so want so-and-so down here, Ike. What's going on down there? Because you're the man down there.\" He said, \"Well, that's the way it goes,\" and he said, \"I appreciate you calling me. If I can't have it, you do what you have to do.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=76.3,106.18"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e So your father must have must have spent time going over to Washington, too. I mean, he must have --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=109.61,116.623"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he used to go around in this promotion business, like I said, Washington or people that he never took [unclear]. 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I don't know about Eastern Shore, although he's from the Eastern Shore. 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Yes. I don't know how he did it. 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[Unclear] he trusted very much. He used to have a secretary who he trusted very much. Some of the people I just can't recall entirely at this time. He relied on a lot of people's expertise to make sure that he was doing things properly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=202.321,235.03"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e So the classic --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=238.65,239.277"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e He had ideas, but he used people's help to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=239.898,245.85"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'm so glad that I talked to you about this because it wasn't just Mr. Ike Dixon and the Comedy Club. It was Mr. Ike Dixon in the middle of this entertainment empire that stretched into the whole Middle Eastern Seaboard. That is just incredible. In Washington, D.C., and and then all the way down to North Carolina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=247.8,271.81"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e So he should have been doing this Wolf Trap [amphitheater] thing and all this. 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But that's what he was. It makes me angry sometimes, but I can't help it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=290.548,293.44"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. You couldn't help it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=294.24,296.943"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I didn't follow up. 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But I guess it has an impact on you, but you just establish -- I think of Charlie Barnet coming to play for my father at the Albert Theater with Lena Horne. She used to sing with Charlie Barnet. People said, \"What are you doing having a White band down there?\" He was playing Black music. So he could do that, see. And it's okay with William Morris, or [unclear] agencies, [unclear] or whoever they were. 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That's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=499.809,501.11"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e -- that should not have been.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=501.422,503.63"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e That's true. That's what makes it so bad. The ones I can qualify, that shouldn't be acceptable. But I can use Ivory soap now and use it now, and I smell like you. [Laughs] You told me if I used it, I can -- Here I am. I'm clean now. Let me in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=505.069,529.777"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. But you've seen an awful lot of change, haven't you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=533.72,537.45"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, I have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=537.544,537.553"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, Baltimore is such a different place. 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As bad as things were, this whole business of not being able to go down to shop in the department stores and not being able to go to the Lyric, but the community was so wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=586.88,608.25"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e Another thing I may have mentioned to you. On Sundays, we used to have matinees. In fact, maybe on Thursdays, too. They used to allow community clubs to use his club free of charge. No charge. Free. 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Unless you got a group -- Some groups didn't want to play a matinee during the week, then people would have to get their own music. Dinah Washington used to play for them, and we didn't charge them anything, but we had an admission. Let the clubs have it for free, and they could, if they want to charge -- [unclear]. We did that for a long while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=645.16,668.84"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e That is great. That's something that I've always been so impressed with, how much cooperation there was within the community, and this cohesiveness, I mean, just that kind of thing that you were talking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=672.05,689.881"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e Or there was some other things my father used to do community wise. 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J. Brills [unclear] and Tommy Tucker brought that up, so Blacks could go in these places and sit down. He contributed a lot to these organizations to bring back these things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=715.118,726.175"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And there was some upheaval -- this would have been back in the '40s, I think. The salesmen from the liquor dealers were white and there was a boycott. 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To make them hire Blacks, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=772.96,773.25"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e But that was really interesting and there was another -- And it was around the time when they opened up the golf courses. Maybe that was a little bit later, the city golf courses?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=775.74,789.34"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e Could have been.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=790.949,791.26"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e That action of the businessmen on Pennsylvania Avenue objecting to the White salesmen, that was one of the early, early achievements in the whole Civil Rights Movement here that was very important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=797.0,812.42"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know whether the NAACP was behind it or not. 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Anything he can do, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=837.41,845.84"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e What was Mrs. Jackson like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=846.17,847.37"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e Just a go-getter. What can I say about her?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=848.44,852.37"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e She must have been a formidable lady.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=858.07,858.936"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e And it's unfortunate. See, I took a lot of things for granted. 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Your wife.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=880.98,888.2"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e My wife? I met my wife when I was going back and forth to Howard University, and she was at Pennsylvania Station. I asked to help her with her bag.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=888.56,896.34"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And where was she living?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=899.672,901.82"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it was Union Station or this station here. Well, she was in Washington. She was actually a technician at Howard University Hospital, which was Freedmen's Hospital at the time, and I was going to Howard University, so that's how I met my wife.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=902.33,917.206"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e So how did you end up engineering helping with the bags into a first date?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=917.206,923.86"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't know, it just happened, I guess. I saw her a couple of times in Washington, and I think her uncle had a place on Pennsylvania Avenue. A nightclub called the Wagon Wheel, she used to come over to help him. You know how these things are meant, but I didn't know all this until then. I had to meet her in the station, see. She would come over, and I'm going back at the same time. She was going back to Washington. So we've been married 55 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=924.63,963.532"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e So you started out with a commuter romance?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=965.2,967.06"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=968.41,968.449"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e So where did you used to take her when you went out on dates?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=970.06,973.952"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e We used to go to New York. Go to Philadelphia. I would show her some things. I don't know. You'll have to ask her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=978.05,987.516"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And when did you get married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=990.1,996.39"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e 1947.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=998.54,998.54"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e So were you in school during the war years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=1003.07,1005.65"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I was, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=1006.112,1006.477"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e That was very lucky.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=1006.524,1007.48"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e I got married the year that I went over to my fraternity. [Unclear]. That was a crazy thing. But it's fifty-five years. She has to be keeping me straight [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=1008.29,1031.001"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e So where did you celebrate your fifty-fifth wedding anniversary?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=1038.38,1041.109"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e I think we went to Atlantic City. She likes the casinos.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=1042.907,1049.52"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e It's a lot of fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=1052.657,1052.916"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e It is. We always tell people, Trump sent for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=1053.934,1056.883"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e [Laughs] Oh, that's wonderful. But it was a great time to be growing up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=1057.397,1072.9"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=1073.89,1073.89"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e It really was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=1075.108,1074.76"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me about yourself. How did you get involved in all this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=1081.36,1083.52"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I told you Miss Calloway--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=1084.88,1085.771"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eISAIAH DIXON JR.:\u003c/strong\u003e Journalism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=1086.81,1086.81"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402/transcript/31909/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Camay Calloway Murphy. Yeah, yeah. [END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44123/file/117402#t=1089.13,1092.609"}]}]}]}