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Brown married Thorleif Schjelderup, a Norwegian ski jumper, in 1948 and moved to Oslo, where she spent the rest of her life and continued to perform as a singer. This interview was conducted by telephone with Brown from her home in Oslo. (Abstract)"," Poor audio quality and low levels present on source media. (Physical Description)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":[" 2002-01-25 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":[" Brown, Anne, 1912-2009 (Interviewee)"," Schaaf, Elizabeth M. (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":[" English (Primary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["audio/mp3"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins University"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["The collection is open for use. Contact peabodyarchives@lists.jhu.edu for more information."]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://aspace.library.jhu.edu/repositories/4/archival_objects/215338"]}}],"summary":{"en":[" Anne Wiggins Brown (1912-2009) was a soprano who is best known for creating the role of Bess in George Gershwin's folk opera \"Porgy and Bess\" and starring in its initial stage run in 1935. Born in Baltimore in 1912, Brown attended Frederick Douglass High School and studied music with W. Llewellyn Wilson. After being denied entry to the Peabody Conservatory of Music because it did not admit African-American students at the time, Brown enrolled at the Juilliard School of Music and earned degrees in 1932 and 1934. Brown married Thorleif Schjelderup, a Norwegian ski jumper, in 1948 and moved to Oslo, where she spent the rest of her life and continued to perform as a singer. This interview was conducted by telephone with Brown from her home in Oslo."," Poor audio quality and low levels present on source media."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["The collection is open for use. 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Is that all right? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Yes, that is perfectly all right. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Can you tell us who you are? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: I am Anne Brown, talking to you from my home in Oslo, Norway. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Can you tell us where and when you were born? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: I was born in Baltimore, Maryland at 7:30 in the morning of\nAugust 9th, 1912.  \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Can you tell us the name of the street and the house where you\ngrew up? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Yes, I was born at 1501 Presstman Street at the corner of\nStricker Street and I lived in that house until I was twelve years. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you tell me what your earliest recollection is about that house? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Well, it was a corner house and it was a combination of our\nliving quarters and my father's office on the first floor, yes, you call it the\nfirst floor. I don't remember much about it, of course, after ninety years, or\neighty anyway. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Your father was a physician? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: He was a physician and a surgeon in the beginning until he\nbegan to get that sickness that also plagues me now, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"something called tremors,\nwhich makes your hands shake without any control. He had to stop being a\nsurgeon. But he went on with his medical work and became a superintendent of a hospital.  \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: It was Provident Hospital? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: It was Provident Hospital. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And tell me about your mother. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: My mother was born in Wilmington, North Carolina, but\ntraveled up to New York, where two of her older brothers had already settled and\nthere she went both to high school and to business college in New York City. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: She was a musician? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Well, she studied singing and piano, but she wouldn't have\ncalled herself a musician. She was very musical and could play and sing. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How did they find their way to Baltimore? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Who? \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Your parents. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Oh, well, my mother was a secretary to a general in the\nAmerican Army at Walter Reed Arsenal in New York, Albany, New York. While living\nthere she met my father who was a graduating student at Howard University in the\nCollege of Medicine. And they married and I am not sure whether they married in\nWashington or in New York, but my father bought a house in Baltimore and\nestablished his medical practice there. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Your father had the good fortune to be father to more than one daughter. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Oh yes, four daughters. When I was born he sighed, because\nhe had wanted a boy and he exclaimed that he would never understand women and\nwhat was he going to do with a girl child, and then they had three more girls. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Were the twins next? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: No, next was Henrietta who still lives in Maryland in Silver\nSpring, Maryland, and then the twins, Harriet and May, and Harriet died last year. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Were all of your sisters interested in music? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Interested, yes, but not enough to make a career of it ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but\nall of them took piano lessons and learned to play. As a matter of fact, Mamie,\none of the twins, taught music class and chorus at Howard University after she graduated. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Which one of your sisters did you perform with? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: When I was six years old I performed with my younger sister,\nHenrietta, who was only four. We did a whole program for soldiers who were--\nwhat do you call it, demitted-- \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Mustered out? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: --from the Army after the First World War. I was six, so\nthat means that it was in 1918. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Do you remember where this was held, where you performed? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Oh, my god..  \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Was it a church? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not a church, but a house, probably belonging to a church. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: A parish house? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Yes! yes! Something like that, but I've forgotten the name\nof it or where it was. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Your mother was your first music teacher? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Oh yes.  \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: When did she decide you should be trained by someone else? \n\nHow long did you work with your mother? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Not formally my teacher, but my mother taught all of us\nbecause much of her time was spent with the children because my father was a\nvery busy doctor. We had the impression that he was always busy away from home.\nMy mother didn't decide, I decided, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which I've always done for myself, that I\nwas going to sing or act and I started taking singing lessons from a singing\nteacher already when I was about thirteen years old. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Do you remember who that was? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Yes but I can't come upon her name just this minute. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Was she a neighbor? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Yes, you can say she was a neighbor--she lived in our\nneighborhood if you know what I mean. I've forgotten her name--it's just on the\ntip of my tongue. I can't say it. \n\n\n\nWell, how is it going? \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I think we are fine. Now let me see, what about when you were\ngrowing up on Presstman Street? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Were there lots of other children in the\nneighborhood and where did you play? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Oh yes, there were lots of other children and we played in\nthe street, which today you couldn't do because the traffic is so much heavier.\nI was often in fights with the boys and had to \"protect\" my sisters when they\ngot into fights. We were just playing, of course, not real fighting. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Would it be fair to describe you as a bit of a tomboy? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Oh, yes, definitely! I was called a tomboy by everybody,\nparticularly my father. [laughter] \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you were the protector of the family? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: In a sense, yes. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: What about close friends, who were your earliest childhood friends? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: I had one early childhood friend. He was 3 years older and\nhe is still alive: Clarence Chambers. He became a doctor, he went to school in\nNew York and, well, as long as he was in Baltimore we played together, when he\ndidn't feel that he was so much superior in age and he was disdainful of playing\nwith Little Annie. But he was very fond of Annie ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he told his mother that he\nwished he could get a younger sister like me, and he did get a younger sister!\nHer name was Alice and I think she is still alive in Baltimore. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Chambers is a familiar name in music circles. There was a\nwonderful musician named Rivers Chambers. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: It wasn't he. It was a completely different family. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Was his father also a physician? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: No, his father was a teacher of mathematics and when I went\nto high school, Frederick Douglass High School, his father was one of my\nteachers. I remember that I got a mark of 90 in geometry from him and I often\nwondered if it was because he liked me or if I really was that smart. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Where did you first go to school? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: I went to school at No. 112 ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at Calhoun and Laurens Street in\nBaltimore and that was only for a short time because of the quality of the\nschools I was transferred in the 2nd grade already to something called the tin\nfactory, which had been connected to a school for colored children. After that\nfor a while I went to another building which was called the paint factory\nbecause they sold paints, maybe even made paints, I'm not quite sure. And\nluckily for me, in the middle of the night one time, the building caught on fire\nand it went up like a match stick because of all the paint and what not. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When\nthat happened in the night then all of the children were transferred to other schools. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: How frightening. There would be no Bess. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: No, there would be no what? \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: There would have been no Bess. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Oh, no. It went up, they said, like a flame - it was gone -\nit burned so fast. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Your parents must have been quite shaken by that. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Yes. My father was very sarcastic. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: What did he say? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: I don't remember his remark, but I can see his face and can\nremember how he said, \"yes, they would put those colored children in that\nbuilding. They didn't give a damn whether it was fire proof or not.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Remarks\nlike that. But we went to another school after that. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now Douglass High School-- \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: No, that was not high school, that was when I was in fourth grade. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: When you went on to Douglass, where was it located at the time? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: At the time it was an old building down at Division Street\nand Lafayette, I think. I'm not sure. It was rather far away from where I lived\nat Madison Avenue. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: When did you move to Madison Avenue? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: When I was twelve years old.  \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: It is such a beautiful street. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Yes, but you know you printed somewhere a picture of the\nMadison Avenue house ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because it was so much nicer than the old one at Presstman\nand Stricker but that one at Presstman and Stricker Street House--this ought to\nbe off the record--because I found a picture of the Presstman Street house after\nmy father had rebuild it and it was a beautiful long house and he had doubled\nthe size of it and had his office there. It was a very nice house. I'm going to\ntry to send you that picture.  \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I'd love to see it. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: It was printed like a card. A postcard! Can you imagine!\nWhere you could put a stamp on it and send it. It said \"the residence and\noffices of Dr. Harry F. Brown, 1501 Presstman Street.\" \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now tell me a little bit about Douglass. When did you move to\nthe new or the newer Douglass High School? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: After one year. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After one year I moved to the new Douglass\nHigh School which was at Calhoun and Division, I believe, I'm not quite sure. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now you spoke very warmly of your time at Douglass High\nSchool. Do you remember your teachers at Douglass? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Some few of them. I can see their faces but I can't remember\ntheir names. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Was W. Llewellyn Wilson one of them? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Oh, yes! And how! I sang in the chorus there and we had a\nmusic lesson every week. It was an hour and a half. He was a very proficient,\nvery, very, good teacher and he kept us laughing all the time, which was also\nvery good. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now who were some of your classmates in those music classes? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: I'm not quite sure. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't remember any of them in my music\nclass who turned out to be musicians. Of course from the school itself, there\nwere several musicians-- Cab Calloway, for example, who was just a class ahead\nof me. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And let's see, Mr. Prettyman was there. Was he in your class? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Oh yes, he was in my class.  \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: He sends his regards to you. I talked to him the other day. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Oh, really! Is he still alive? \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I asked him how he was and he said \"I feel like a sixteen year\nold lad with a bum knee.\" He sounds just fine. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He shared with me that he has on\nhis dresser two pictures of two beautiful ladies his wife and Anne Brown. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: [laughter] That's wonderful. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So I think you must be very much on his mind. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: I think of him occasionally and I had the idea-- no it was\nanother-- I'm mixing him now with another of my classmates who died not so long ago. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: He is very much with us. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: That's good! Well, he must be over ninety because he was a\nlittle bit older than I am. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: We will find out because we are going to actually do an\ninterview with him some time soon-- in the next few weeks. I will have to share\nwith you the interview when we finish it. \n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Avon Long? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Yes, Avon Long was in my class too. That's true. Avon Long!\nOf course. I even got him the job of singing Sporting Life in Porgy and Bess\nafter the first Sportin' Life left. I said to George Gershwin, \"I know the\nperfect Sportin' Life for you.\" I remember George saying, \"Bring him on!\" And I\ngot in touch with Avon Long at once and he came up and got the job at once. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: He had a brother, didn't he? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: I don't know. I don't remember that. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Mr. Prettyman mentioned that he had a brother who was a\nsinger. I got the impression that he was older. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Then he wouldn't have been in our class. Avon Long - ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"now I\nknow Cab Calloway had a younger brother with whom I was in love for a short time\nand we called him Yiddie [phonetic]. I don't know why, but we called him Yiddie.\nHe was in my class. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Was he also interested in music? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Well, he did a lot of singing. But you know in those days\nthe young people sang and played and didn't take themselves seriously, most of\nthem, and didn't become musicians or actors or anything. Just a few of them did\nthat. But everybody sort of joined in, chimed in, and sang and danced in the\nhigh school musical comedies which were very high caliber. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did W. Llewellyn Wilson organize these? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: He didn't organize them, but he kept the music going. He saw\nthat the music went well and rehearsed with all those who sang and had anything\nmusical to do. But one of the teachers that organized was named Millie Buchanan\nand also, when I won twice the gold medal when I was still--before I went to\nhigh school--no, I think at least one time when I was still going to 112,\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"coached me on my recitation for the gold medal contest. And that was the Soul of\nthe Violin it was called and I've been trying for years to find that piece\nprinted somewhere and I haven't been able to because I don't know who wrote it.\nI've forgotten who the author was. I won the gold medal saying that. I can\nremember some of the words now--marvelous--it's marvelous to think back so far\nand to have words come up that you remember, whereas if I try to remember\nsomething I did yesterday I don't have a clue... \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, we have a while to go before we get to yesterday. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yes. Oh, yes. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now you told me when you were in high school you met Constance\nBlack and you must have done a lot of performances for her. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Oh yes, of course! I met her in my last year in high school.\nBut I had been performing--remember that was when I was sixteen years\nold--fifteen or sixteen--when you people at your school--what's the name of it? \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF:  At Peabody. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Your people at Peabody wouldn't have me! I had been singing,\ndancing and reciting and being in plays since I was six years old. So that's ten years!  \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Where else were you performing besides Douglass? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Well, performing, there were no opportunities for performing\nexcept in schools ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but I recited and sang at the BYPU at the Baptist Church\nacross the street from my house on Stricker Street and that, I guess, was at\nleast every third or fourth month I was performing there. And sometimes they\ngave little religious plays. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And did you sing in church choirs? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Oh yes, I sang in the church choir. Indeed. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Was that at the Presbyterian? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: At the Presbyterian Church up on Madison Avenue, wasn't it? \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yes. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Yes, I think so. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And do you remember the name of the choir director? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: No, I don't. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So you were a veteran of some ten years when... \n\n\n\nBROWN:[laughter] Yes, that's a good name for it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The only thing about that\nPresbyterian Church I remember the minister because he was afraid of cats and we\nhad two cats. And when he came occasionally to visit my mother, you know the\nminister comes around occasionally and visits some of the members of the church,\nwe could see in his face that he was frightened to death by the little cats.\n[laughing] And we discussed it with my father and my father, he came out with\nanother sarcastic remark about ministers being afraid of the cats and he asked\nGod to protect him from cats.  \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Your father must have had a wonderfully irreverent wit about him. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Yes he did! \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: He also had a bit of a temper, didn't he? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Oh, yes! A temper! ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll say and he was very strict--or he\ntried to be. We evaded him. We tricked him all of the time. All of us! \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Who do you think of the daughters was most like him. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: The daughter who is most like my father? Oh, my God, I don't\nknow. Perhaps my sister Mamie, who lives in Paris, because she's so stubborn! \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: But you've never been accused of being stubborn. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Oh yes, I've been accused of everything that you can think\nof! Stubborn, and I remember that my sisters liked ice cream and cake and I ate\nvery much and I remember they had a little thing they said about me\noccasionally. They would stick their heads in the dining room door and say it\nand then run so I couldn't catch them. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Gray-eyed greedy-gut, eat all the world\nup!\" That's what they called me. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Did you catch them? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: No. I didn't really take it so seriously. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Good. Was your mother the peacekeeper of the family? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Yes, she was the peacekeeper. I'm very sad when I think of\nmy mother. Because she had many talents and she was a very intelligent woman and\nshe never had the chance, really, to show her talents. Well, she sang in a\nchurch choir for a while. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And produced four wonderful daughters. \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: Yes, well, I don't know about wonderful, but--and she and my\nfather, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just think of the confined life she lived. That she didn't go away on\nvacations and she could well have afforded to have done it. She went to New York\nto visit her mother sometimes and her brother's family there but it wasn't for\nlong. Because my father always demanded that she was home. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Was that typical of many of the wives? \n\n\n\nANNE WIGGINS BROWN: I don't know. Well, I wouldn't say that because I didn't\nknow too much about the private lives of some of the wives. \n\n\n\nOh, dear! You know what? Someone's coming here at 8 o'clock ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378/transcript/38405/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I promised to\ngive this girl dinner and--can I call you back later on tonight? It isn't late\nin New York.  \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Let me turn this recorder off. \n\n\n\n[END OF INTERVIEW] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44113/file/117378#t=1680.0,1740.0"}]}]}]}