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She won local and regional Metropolitan Opera auditions and in 1963 was awarded a contract to sing with the company. She was the first African-American from the Maryland area to sing at the Metropolitan. In 1966 she went to Europe to perform in opera houses in Germany and Switzerland. After returning to Baltimore, she was appointed to the mayor's advisory committee on art and culture."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["The collection is open for use. 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Elizabeth\nSchaaf interviewing. \n\n\n\nJUNETTA JONES: Here he is. That's a picture of him, Arthur Graham [phonetic]. I\ncould not place him. I don't think I would have ever thought of him again in\nlife. He didn't give me too much information other than the fact that he's\nretired now. I think he lives in California or somewhere. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I love this. \"Junetta Jones, Celestial Voice.\" I love the \"Celestial Voice.\" \n\n\n\nJONES: Don Carlo. Yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Now, I'm going to start by asking to introduce yourself, tell me your\nfull name, and where, and I always tell the ladies they don't have to tell us\nwhen they were born unless they want to. \n\n\n\nJONES: Well, I'm not going to. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, all right. \n\n\n\nJONES: Is it on now? Oh, okay. I'm Junetta Jones, and I'm a 1960 graduate of the\nPeabody Conservatory. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And you were born in Baltimore? \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. I was born in Baltimore. I went to Douglass High School. And I\nstudied with Joseph Laderoute at the Peabody. It was an interesting experience. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I remember hearing from you a very interesting story about you and Mr.\nLaderoute. Now, you were at Peabody when it was sort of a kind of bastion, and\nyou were all happy within the confines of the Peabody, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but as far as shopping, I\nthink you had your choice of Ted's Music Shop and Ted's Music Shop, as I recall. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yeah. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And you had a luncheon engagement with Mr. Laderoute? \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. Mr. Laderoute and I went to -- it was called the St. James Hotel at\nthat time, and they had a restaurant on the first floor, and he took -- Mr.\nLaderoute was French Canadian, so he was not used to the southern Baltimore and\nsegregation at that time. And so we went to the St. James to have lunch, and\nthey said, \"I'm sorry, I can't serve her.\" And he performed, \"What? you can't\nserve her? Oh my goodness!\" So, he went on and ordered his food, and then we got\nup and left. So, he never paid for it or anything, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but that was a thing that\nsticks in my mind about Peabody at that time. There were also some other\nsituations where there were students' houses that we could not -- here were some\napartments around Peabody and rooms, and we could not get a room because of\nsegregation at that time. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Let's back up. Tell me about your parents. \n\n\n\nJONES: Okay. My mother, whose name was Charity Jones and my father was Luther\nJones. My mother made all of my gowns for my singing, and they both encouraged\nme to sing. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think I might have a picture of a gown here that she made. But she\nmade beautiful gowns, and she was also a hairdresser, so she could always do my\nhair nicely. And my father was at Bethlehem Steel, and he had a nice voice, but\nhe didn't really sing, but he had a nice voice. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And growing up what kind of music did you hear at home and in the community? \n\n\n\nJONES: Well, of course, we heard church music, which was gospel music, and some\nanthems. I think that I listened a lot to Leontyne Price. You know, this was\nsort of the beginning of her career. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I listened to her and a lot of other\nopera singers. I would get in the living room and just play their music and sing\nalong with them, and I think that was really the beginning of my learning to\nsing was just by listening to what they did and how they did it. And somehow, I\njust knew what to do when it became time to sing. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Who were your earliest teachers? \n\n\n\nJONES: I studied with Constance Reckling [phonetic], whose husband was the\nprincipal of our high school. She was a lovely lady who taught me some early\nsongs. Not Italian songs, just early English songs. And then, I also went to\nBaltimore School of Music, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it was called, under Herman Schwarz. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, yes, the Institute of Musical Arts. \n\n\n\nJONES: That's right. That's what it was. Yes, I studied with him, and he had\nFannie Newton as one of his students and Leroy Davis, and I sort of paired off\nto do duets. We sang all over, everywhere, singing duets. And his wife Juanita\nDavis [phonetic] accompanied us. And she's still around now. She's at Douglas\nMemorial Church. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: What drew you to opera? What's your earliest recollection of being\ncaptivated by that world? \n\n\n\nJONES: Well, as I said, I think it sort of started with listening to people like\nLeontyne Price, Anna Moffo. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can't remember some of the others. Richard Tucker. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So Saturday afternoons by the radio must have been a pretty religious\nevent. [Laughter] \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. Yes. It was, and I enjoyed it. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: What part of Baltimore did you grow up in? What was the street? \n\n\n\nJONES: I grew up in northwest Baltimore on Gilmor Street, and eventually we\nmoved to Rosedale Street, which is near Mondawmin Shopping Center. That was my\nPeabody time. That was when I was at Peabody, that we lived on Rosedale Street. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: You were going to the Institute for Musical Arts, and then you went to\naudition for Peabody? \n\n\n\nJONES: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, it didn't happen like that. It happened at Douglass High School,\nwhere I was singing in the choir with Georgeanna Chester, Robert Earl Anderson,\nand Marion Smith. They were choir directors there. I would always sing with the\nchoir, being a soloist, and I think Mr. Laderoute heard -- I think it was Adah\nJenkins. Adah Jenkins was the music critic for the Afro [newspaper], and she\nintroduced me to Joseph Laderoute. He came and he heard me sing, and he wanted\nme to come to Peabody. So he got scholarships for Veronica Tyler and myself to\ngo to Peabody. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, Peabody found you. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. Yes, that's how it happened. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, what was it like coming down there the first time? I remember my\nfirst time, and it was pretty overwhelming. \n\n\n\nJONES: It was. You have to realize that I came from a Black situation at\nDouglass High School. You know, everybody was-- \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: The same. \n\n\n\nJONES: The same. And when we went to Peabody, we were the only two Blacks there.\nSo, it was a different environment. It was different. Some of the students were\nnice, and others were sort of standoffish. And there were some problems, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but we\nworked it out with Reginald Stewart, who was then the director of Peabody. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Can you give me an example of some of the early difficulties? \n\n\n\nJONES: You know, I can't. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Was it with students or the neighborhood or a combination? \n\n\n\nJONES: Well, it was a combination. The students realized that we could not go to\ncertain places, and that made them think that they were better than we were, at\nthat time. I'm just trying to remember. There was something that happened, and\nReginald Stewart called us in, or was it Carlo Menotti? What's his name? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Gian Carlo Menotti. \n\n\n\nJONES: You know, I don't think that was him. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was there for an opera production. \n\n\n\nJONES: No. It wasn't him though. It was another one, who, with a name very\nsimilar to that. I don't think it was Menotti though. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: There was Laszlo Halasz, who was director of the opera. \n\n\n\nJONES: I never sang in the opera at Peabody. I never sang in the opera. I did\nmostly choral works and soloist with the choral groups. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Who was conducting the chorus? \n\n\n\nJONES: Ifor Jones was conducting. And we had recitals, vocal students had\nrecitals. Mr. Laderoute would always put us in these recitals, and we came out\nand sang, at that time. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I sang a big German piece, which I had no business\nsinging. But he thought that I could sing it, and then I sang it. I think it was\nTristan und Isolde, one of those arias, and something else. But we were always\nthe favorites, Veronica and I. We were always the best singers. We really were\nthe best singers at that time. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, that must have been a double-edged sword because I know it's very\ncompetitive and sometimes a very friendly and competitive environment, but\ncompetitive nonetheless. \n\n\n\nJONES: Nonetheless, yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And if you're a soprano, and one of your colleagues is getting all of\nthe lead roles, as I know you and Veronica did. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes, yes, yes. Not the roles, but in the choral [solo] parts. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.\nBecause we didn't do opera at that time. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So that must have rankled -- \n\n\n\nJONES: Some feathers. Yes. Yes. But there was one student who was a student of\nJoseph Laderoute's. Her name is Suzanne Meintzer, and she was from Washington,\nD.C. Beautiful, beautiful blonde girl, and she was so nice, and she liked us,\nand we liked her. She had a beautiful voice. I've heard of her maybe ten years\nago or something that she was still in Washington. But I remember her as a good\nfriend during that time, and she sang with the Washington Opera and some other\nthings in Washington. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tell me what happened right after Peabody. \n\n\n\nJONES: Okay. After Peabody, as I said, I graduated in 1960, and I got a\nscholarship to the New England Conservatory, and Mr. Laderoute wanted me to\nstudy with -- oh, I can't remember her name now -- a German singer who was\nthere. But anyway, I worked with her, and she had had some kind of collapse in\nGermany. She was a wonderful singer. Something happened to her, and she was sort\nof recovering from that. But he wanted me to study with her, and I did. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But she\nwas kind of weak. By weak, she wasn't strong. That's all I could say. So, after\na while, I switched to someone else. Her name was Gladys [phonetic]. I'll have\nto come back to you with these names. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: We can fill them in. \n\n\n\nJONES: A heavy-set woman, and had a lot of students, and they were all doing\nwell, so I switched to her. I was really practicing hard, and then the Met\nauditions came along, and I auditioned in Boston for the competition, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and won in\nBoston, which led me to New York to audition, and I won in New York. I won a\ntwo-year contract at the Met. Then, from the Met, I went to Europe for four\nyears and sang in opera houses there, in Düsseldorf and Wuppertal and Regensburg. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: What were your favorite roles? \n\n\n\nJONES: Well, I liked Butterfly. I liked Madame Butterfly. It was a good role for\nme. The Pearl Fishers was also a good part for me. And then I did Fiordiligi in\nCosí fan tutte. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What a wonderful, wonderful experience -- right out of the New England\nConservatory and straight into the Met. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, it was. I felt so good about that. I couldn't believe it. Nobody else\ncould believe it either. And I had my apartment, and I was living in New York. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Where were you living? \n\n\n\nJONES: I lived in an apartment building on 8th Avenue and 55th Street, I think.\nIt was a huge apartment building on the comer. And I lived there in a small\napartment, and it was not far from the Met. Because the Met was at 34th Street,\nor somewhere down there. That was also a good time. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, tell me about showing up at the first time. What was that like? \n\n\n\nJONES: At the rehearsals? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yes. \n\n\n\nJONES: Well, [laughs] I remember meeting Leontyne Price, who said, \"Oh, darling,\nwe must have coffee.\" And she was really sweet. I came in at the end of her\nrehearsal. And I think we were like the only two Blacks there at that time. Oh,\nGeorge Shirley was there. And she said, \"Oh, we must have coffee.\" We never did\nhave coffee. \n\n\n\nI was in awe of these people. Here was Richard Tucker, Robert Merrill, Birgit\nNilsson, Anna Moffo, all of them, and they were so wonderful. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The bigger they\nwere, the more down-to-earth they were, and just great people. I will never\nforget that. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: That is wonderful. So, you went from listening on Saturday afternoons to-- \n\n\n\nJONES: To being a part of it. [Laughter] Yeah, to being a part of that. And I\ndid do a broadcast. I don't know if it was The Magic Flute. Oh, I think it was\nDon Carlo. I think that was it. And Don Carlo was just -- these were comprimario\nroles. These were small roles. And I was just the Celestial Voice, so I had to\nstand on top of a ladder backstage, and this voice is supposed to come from the\nheavens, of course. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Which is where we always thought your voice came from anyway. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, well, thank you. [Laughs] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was interesting because we had a\nconductor there, who didn't feel--he thought my voice was too dark for the\nCelestial Voice. What was his name? [Georg] Solti. And Rudolf Bing had to come\nin and say, well, she's going to do it. And he [Solti] never liked me because he\njust thought my voice was too dark. It should have had a higher sound to it. And\nI got a good little review from it and everything, but he just felt that was not\nthe right part for me to debut at the Met on. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, what a person to win a battle over. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. [Laughter] Yes, indeed. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Talk about stepping from world to world and from neighborhood to\nneighborhood in Baltimore, to the Mount Vernon Place area and then Baltimore to\nBoston and to New York. \n\n\n\nJONES: I loved Boston. Boston had a dorm. Peabody did not have a dorm at that\ntime. And they were integrated. They had been some years. I think Martin Luther\nKing's wife, Coretta King, was there before I went there. I didn't meet her. I\nthink she probably graduated before. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it was just a different element. Just\ncompletely different. \n\n\n\nThere were African American male students, where there were none at Peabody, and\nother students. It was just a good time. I lived at a place, it was in a school,\nand it was not right at the Conservatory. I didn't live in a dorm. I lived at\nthe school that was about four blocks away. It was a music school, and they had\ntwo rooms that they let the students from the Conservatory use. Another girl and\nmyself lived there for that time. \n\n\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was also the time in Boston of the Boston Strangler. It was that time. And it\nstarted right around the corner from the Conservatory. That was the first one.\nIt started there. I was there over the summer, in summer school, and I stayed in\nthis girl's apartment. She had gone to Europe for the summer, and she let me\nstay in her apartment. I know that a morning, I looked out the window and saw\nthem bringing out a body from across the street. But I had no idea of what it\nwas, until the news that night said that this person had been murdered. And from\nthat time on, I was scared to death. I had anybody who wanted to, from the\nConservatory, could come and stay with me. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a huge apartment. But it kept\nhappening. That was a really scary time. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Your parents must have been beside themselves. \n\n\n\nJONES: I don't remember that they were. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: That's one of those things best not to talk about. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes, yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And then moving to Europe. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. I have to get my thoughts together on that. When I went there, first\nof all, I went to Düsseldorf. I auditioned there, and they offered me a part. I\ndon't even remember, now, what it was. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That will come to me, too. But then,\nafter Düsseldorf, then I went to Wuppertal and sang in The Visitation by\nGunther Schuller. Oh, and that's where I met Bill [William Benjamin] Ray. Yes,\nBill Ray and I sang together in The Visitation. And that was a great experience\nwith him, he and his wife, and we just had a good time together. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, it must have terribly exciting. \n\n\n\nJONES: It was. It was different. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"First of all, I had to learn the language. And\nyou learn the language in the country when you have to go the store and buy eggs\nand milk and things, and you have to say this is what I want in the language.\nAnd they said that I could speak German very well. I had studied German at\nPeabody. So, when I went there, I wasn't completely in the dark as far as\nspeaking the language. \n\n\n\nAnd there were some Americans there. And one of them was at the Met at the time,\nMignon Dunn was at the Met, and another girl. We would hang out together. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This\nwas when we were in Wuppertal. Oh, my mind. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: We'll have a chance to fill all of this in. \n\n\n\nJONES: We're going back now, a long time ago. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So then coming back, what started drawing you back to Baltimore? \n\n\n\nJONES: I got tired of living in Europe. I wanted to come back home. When I first\nwent there, I stayed the whole time, all four years. I never came back to\nBaltimore. I never came back to the States at all. I just wanted to come home.\nAnd I came back, and then there was the thing of what to do when I came back.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Once you go to the Met and leave, you don't go back. I didn't go back at that time. \n\n\n\nSo I taught for a while in some of the colleges, and also at -- it was not\ncalled the Eubie Blake Center at that time. I can't remember, but I taught there\nfor a while. And then, after that, and we're going real fast now, I got a job at\nthe Mayor's Advisory Committee on Art and Culture.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Now when was this? How long have you been here, now? \n\n\n\nJONES: I came back in '70, so I was gone for ten years. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1680.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In '81 I got a job with\nthe Mayor's Office for his Committee on Art and Culture, and we programmed\nArtscape. That was my main duty, to program the festival. So that is what I did.\nOf course, now we've merged with promotion of art and culture. Baltimore Office\nof Promotion and the Arts is the new title. I'm doing the Billie Holiday\ncompetition this year. \n\n\n\nYes, I had called Liz Pollack [Peabody concert manager] to ask her about the\nhall because we wanted a larger facility than we had last year. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1740.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She said they\nwere renovating, so we couldn't have it there. Also, I do a book called the\nCultural Resource Guide. I'll give you a copy of that, so you can see that. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, this was a wonderful fit for you. You can use all of the\nexperience you've had at these fabulous institutions. I'm sure it's given you a\nwonderful perspective with all the travelling you've done. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, yes. Yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: But coming back to Baltimore after being gone for ten years? And\nespecially that ten years. What struck you first when you came back? \n\n\n\nJONES: Well, when I came back, I wasn't sure what I wanted to do. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1800.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was sort of\nunclear about what the future would be for me. I went to church. I was so strong\nin the church. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: What church were you going to? \n\n\n\nJONES: And I still go to St. John AME Church. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: That was the church you grew up in? \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes, and that helped me a lot. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And you still stayed involved with opera. I mean there was this Porgy\nand Bess engagement. \n\n\n\nJONES: Well, good, you remembered that. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1860.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Porgy and Bess came at Peabody time. It\nwas in 1959 that I sang the soprano role in Porgy and Bess. So that meant I sang\nSerena's part and Bess's part with the Baltimore Symphony. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And Morris Queen was involved. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. You know that. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And Herb Grossman was conductor. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes, he was. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And he came down from New York to do that. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. Oh good. I'm so glad you remember these things. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: It's hard to believe it was that long ago. \n\n\n\nJONES: It was in '59. I can't remember who the other soloists were. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1920.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I should\nhave a program somewhere at home. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I think I have a program in your file. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, really? That's how you remembered. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, no, I remembered that Porgy and Bess performance. \n\n\n\nJONES: What do you mean you remembered it? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, I've been here forever too. \n\n\n\nJONES: Okay. [Laughs] I didn't know that. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, yes. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. Oh, my. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: The musical opportunities in Baltimore have expanded so much. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes, they have. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: There was so much more going on, which I'm sure you must have realized\nwhen you got back. \n\n\n\nJONES: Well, I didn't, I had had it. As I've said, I didn't know what I wanted\nto do, and I didn't know that singing was it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=1980.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thought maybe I wanted to teach\nor do something else. I didn't look for those opportunities here to sing. I\nwasn't all that interested anymore. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Time for a new life. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes, I think so. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: That's very exciting and very frightening at the same time. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes, it was, but I just felt that I wanted to do something else. I knew\nthere was some other things that I could do, and I just wanted to try other things. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I've heard so much about Miss Reckling. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, have you? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Tell me a little bit about her. What was she like? \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, she was a soft, gentle woman. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=2040.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We went to her house to practice, to\nhave our lessons. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Where was this? Where was she living? \n\n\n\nJONES: I don't remember now where she lived. I don't know if it was Gilmor\nStreet. I don't remember now. But she taught me songs like \"The Green\nCathedral.\" I've never heard it since, but that was one of her songs. Not \"Sure\non this Shining Night,\" that was Samuel Barber and that came later. She helped\nme get ready for the things that I was singing with the choir, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=2100.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and that was the\nmain thing that she did. And she would send me off sometimes to sing at other\nplaces, too. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: The Institute of Musical Arts that you went to, as well. That was really\na pretty impressive place. \n\n\n\nJONES: It was. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: They had some fabulous teachers. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. And as I've said, Fannie Newton was there. I think they might have\nhad some of the Peabody teachers there at that time. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: They certainly did. \n\n\n\nJONES: It was over on Lanvale Street, near Fremont Avenue. And it was up on a\nhill. That's what I remember about it. It's gone now, of course. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I was trying to think of the composer, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=2160.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a Pulitzer Prize winning\ncomposer, who taught there. And he was also a Peabody student. I can see him as\nclear as day in my mind's eye. \n\n\n\nJONES: I don't know who that was. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, it will come to me later. After you came back to Baltimore, and\nyou ultimately got involved with the city, with the Mayor's Committee of Arts\nand Culture, and you have seen a lot of changes, now. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh yes, yes. Even with the symphony, things have changed there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=2220.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just the\nbuilding of Meyerhoff Symphony Hall. There was a wonderful man whose name is\nWendell Wright. I don't know if you knew Wendell Wright, but he was working this\nsort of outreach at the Meyerhoff Hall, and he was trying to bring in more\nAfrican Americans to the symphony, and he would get these people to come and\naudition. There's one girl now who's at the Met, she's singing in the chorus.\nHer name is April. I can't remember her last name. But she did quite a few\nthings with the symphony. And Wendell was always pushing them and bringing in\nBlack composers. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=2280.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they have this new series. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes, they do. Young, Black, and Gifted. I think he started that with the\noutreach program. There were a lot of things that he did there. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I'm so glad that you mentioned him because I know he worked so hard. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, he did. He really did. I would come to some of those meetings that\nthey had there and he was always pushing on the symphony to hire more Black\nconductors and singers. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And it's not that they weren't there. \n\n\n\nJONES: Right! They were around, and he knew that. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=2340.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But for some reason they were\nslow in doing it. But now things have changed very much. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Things have changed very much, and he really deserves a lot of credit\nfor making that happen. And the persistence that he brought to that. It was his mission. \n\n\n\nJONES: It was his mission. That's true. Plus, the fact that he had a concert\nseries called the Lois Wright Concert Series. It was named after his first wife,\nand that's how he became interested. He would have all of these singers perform\nin a series of concerts, and he knew that these singers were around. And that's\nwhy he wanted to get them into the Meyerhoff, singing with the symphony. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Do you remember when the Lois Wright series began? \n\n\n\nJONES: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=2400.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, she taught me at Douglass -- I won't say in the '50s. I think it was\nprobably in the '60s. Maybe in the '50s or '60s.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And where were those early recitals? \n\n\n\nJONES: At various churches. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Where would we have been without the churches opening the doors for so\nmany musicians? \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. Yes! That was another thing, too. I heard Marian Anderson when she\ncame down to Baltimore to sing at the churches. Roland Hayes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Do you remember where you heard her? \n\n\n\nJONES: Actually, I don't think it was a church. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=2460.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it was at Coppin, or it\nmight have been -- was it Poly on North Avenue? Do you remember Poly [Baltimore\nPolytechnic Institute High School]? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yes. \n\n\n\nJONES: I think that was probably where they came at that time to perform. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Now, were you at the concert at the Lyric when she performed? \n\n\n\nJONES: Maybe that was where it was. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Because that would have been around that time. And Adah Jenkins was\ninstrumental in getting her in that. \n\n\n\nJONES: Okay. Yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And she broke the color bar. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, okay. I didn't know that. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: It's very interesting. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes, it is. That's great. You know your history. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=2520.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, we just got, in the archives in the last couple of years, the\nrecords of the Lyric Opera House, and all the documentation is now preserved on\nthat, the letters saying Anne Brown couldn't come because there were no dates\nwere available, after they had offered her the dates. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, okay, yes. They discovered that she was Black. They didn't know. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Right. Yes. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. All right, so she [Anderson] broke the color bar. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: She broke the color bar, and it was a very, very major event. \n\n\n\nJONES: I heard her several times. And I guess one of the times was at the Lyric.\nOr was it at Poly? And I started to say Coppin, but I don't think it was Coppin. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, Anne Brown ended up performing at Enon Baptist when she was\nrefused at the Lyric. \n\n\n\nJONES: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=2580.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So, and I know Roland Hayes, I don't remember right off-hand which of\nthe churches he sang in. \n\n\n\nJONES: Probably Enon. Yes. I wonder who the minister was, or the people, because\nEnon was a good place for these concerts. I don't know who brought these artists\ninto town. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, that's an interesting question. \n\n\n\nJONES: That's something to pursue. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So now back to Mr. Wright. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I've heard so much about him over the years and I never had the pleasure\nof meeting him and always held him in such high regard for what he was doing.\nI'm just so grateful to you for mentioning him. \n\n\n\nJONES: Wendell was a short man in statue, a very distinguished-looking man.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=2640.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Handsome, handsome. And he had a very high-pitched voice. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Where was he from? \n\n\n\nJONES: I think he's from Baltimore. And his present wife, his first wife died a\ncouple of years back, but his wife Dorothy then had the outreach committee at\nthe symphony. She was working there, and she's been ill now, so she's not doing\nthat anymore. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I'm sorry to hear that. She also taught at Douglass. Did she not? \n\n\n\nJONES: I don't know if she did teach at Douglass. Not Lois Wright. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: No. No. I was under the impression that she also taught at Douglass, too. \n\n\n\nJONES: That Dorothy taught there? I think she taught at Edmondson. I think it\nwas Edmondson where she taught. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=2700.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Douglass High School is such a phenomenon. The number of fabulous\nmusicians that keep coming out of that school. I mean, this is not just used to.\nBut it's amazing. \n\n\n\nJONES: It has its history. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I know they've always had good teachers, but a lot of the city schools\n-- I know it's one of the best-kept secrets in town. Everybody talks about how\nthere needs to be more music in the schools. Few people have really any idea how\nmuch music is in the schools and how good so much of it is. But Douglass. \n\n\n\nJONES: Douglass. I mean, everybody, it seems, came from Douglass. We had\nassembly programs. I remember singing there. The first time I sang at Douglass,\nI sang a song called \"Love Is Where You Find It,\" and it had a real high\nobbligato part in it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=2760.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the audience went crazy. They really loved it, and\nfrom that time on, I became Junetta Jones. That was when it started for me. With that\nsong, \"Love Is Where You Find It.\" I still have the music. I never hear anybody\nsing it. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: It's a great piece. It's not an easy piece to sing. \n\n\n\nJONES: It's not. [Sings \"Love Is Where You Find It\"] \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Big range. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. Goes up to a D. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And then down. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, that is wonderful. So, you can pinpoint the ascent of Junetta Jones. \n\n\n\nJONES: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=2820.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437/transcript/38427/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Certain things, yes. It's interesting that we're talking about this\nbecause things come back to me. I had forgotten all about that. It's like, when\nI was looking through the music, looking through these photographs, and things\ncame back to me. Perhaps if I had a little more time more things would have come back. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, we can do this again after that happens. \n\n\n\nJONES: All right. All right. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I'm going to pause right now and turn -- \n\n\n\n[END PART 1] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117437#t=2880.0,2940.0"}]}]},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - pims0091_JonesJunetta_02.mp3"]},"duration":1355.0498,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/117/438/small/jones_junetta_jpeg.jpg?1650136628","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-peabody.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/117/438/original/pims0091_JonesJunetta_02.mp3?1624270883","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":1355.0498,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["JonesJunetta_2_OHMS_20220608 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JUNETTA JONES: It's coming to me, now. Gladys Miller was the teacher that I\nswitched to. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Okay. So Uta Graf was the teacher that -- \n\n\n\nJONES: That I went there -- \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: [Crosstalk] -- wanted you to study with. But then you switched over to\n-- ? \n\n\n\nJONES: To Gladys Miller. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Gladys Miller. Well, that's good. That pause really helped. \n\n\n\nJONES: It did. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Where were we? We were talking about hidden treasures in Baltimore\nschools. The atmosphere at Douglass must have been just incredibly special. \n\n\n\nJONES: It was. There were so many people that were doing so many different\nthings. It wasn't just the music department. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were other science things\ngoing on, and just all kinds of great things going on there. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: But when Anne Brown came back to visit a couple of years ago. She went\nover to Douglass. We had a great time. We heard some of the students singing and\nperforming, and they were wonderful. There was this bass with the most delicious\nvoice you have ever heard. This great big fellow. And coming out, Anne turned to\nme and she said, \"You know, it's amazing. It's just like it was.\" She said the\nfeeling for the school, she said was very familiar to her, the interest of the\nstudents, and the performance level. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thought that was very interesting to me. \n\n\n\nJONES: I don't think that's changed. I don't know where it's located. You know,\nthere was only Douglass, Dunbar, and Carver Vocational School. Those were the\nonly three schools that we had at that time, and it just seemed like more people\nof prominence came out of Douglass than at Dunbar, but Dunbar had theirs, too. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So that's right. We both went to school during segregation. I've heard\nall the discussion about what that was going to be like. It was a very -- \n\n\n\nJONES: It was a trying time during that period. It really was. And, of course,\nif you've never known anything else, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you didn't know that that wasn't the way it\nwas supposed to be. You're not sure. We came from Douglass, and we went to\nPeabody, and I don't know that we knew at the time -- well, yes, I think we did\nknow -- that we weren't treated fairly. Veronica [Tyler] especially. There was a\nteacher who was a nun, and I can't think of her name, but she was instrumental\nin having Veronica talk with -- Good-looking man. Had wavy hair. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who followed\nReginald Stewart?  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Mennin. Peter Mennin. \n\n\n\nJONES: Peter Mennin, that's who it was! So, this woman took an interest in\nVeronica, and she knew that we weren't being treated fairly, and she went to\nPeter Mennin. There was something that went on that he quizzed us about.\nSomething about how we were being treated. I don't remember what the outcome of\nthat was, but I know this teacher started it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I may not remember her name. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Do you remember what she taught? \n\n\n\nJONES: I think she taught theory. She was sort of short, kind of heavy, not\nheavy, but she was round. And I think she was a sister. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: We'll have to see if I can figure out who that might have been. \n\n\n\nJONES: She would have been there from -- we were there from '55 to '60. So it\nwould have to be during that period. Her name might come to me, too. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But Mennin obviously must have been very responsive. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, he was, and he was from New York, and he brought a whole different\natmosphere to the situation. But there were things even that he could not control. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Right. Right. I can't remember who it was who was talking about how much\nthey appreciated having Melinda Newton upstairs, who was always up there for lunch. \n\n\n\nJONES: Melinda! Yes. I thought about her. When we were talking, I thought about\nher. Where is she? Does anybody know? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I don't know. She and her husband were fixtures around Peabody. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes, they were. She brought in these lunches and things. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Very sweet lady. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes, she was. That's right. Melinda. Oh gosh. Yes. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have no idea where\nshe is now. And then of course there was Madame [Alice Gerstl] Duschak. I didn't\nstudy with her, but I certainly knew her, and she was always very complimentary\nto me. And I think Dorothy [Lofton Jones] studied with a man teacher. That will\ncome to me, too. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Wayne Conner was still there at the time, but I don't think she studied\nwith him. \n\n\n\nJONES: No, she didn't study with him. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And Mr. Valentino was later. \n\n\n\nJONES: I don't remember him. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: He was a little bit later. \n\n\n\nJONES: Frank somebody. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You haven't interviewed Dorothy? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I did, and I thought she had talked about Madame Duschak. \n\n\n\nJONES: No, I think she studied with Frank [Bibb], whatever his name was. Maybe\nshe studied with Duschak as well, but I thought she studied with this Frank person. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, I can find out. That will be an easy thing to do. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. Just get the last name. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I want to see these photographs that you have. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, okay. And this is the last one that I have of this. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: All right. Now, I think we have a copy of this. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, I hope you do. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yes, I do. \n\n\n\nJONES: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because I want to make some more copies of it. This was the last one\nbecause it had writing on it. I never gave it out to anybody. \n\n\n\nSCHAFF: Well, I would recommend that you continue to do that, not give it out to\npeople. Because that is a beautiful photograph. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes, it is. Those were in the good days. This was when I was in Germany,\nand this is The Tales of Hoffmann. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, that's lovely.  \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, this was in Switzerland. I sang in Lucerne, Switzerland, and this was\nDorabella and Fiordiligi in Cosí fan tutte. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're the same. They're all the same.  \n\n\n\nThis is winning the Met audition with Rudolf Bing, Russell Christopher, Justino\nDíaz, and I think Howard Hook. And this was the page, I think, in Rigoletto. I\nthought it was so ugly. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: It's a beautiful photograph. That's wonderful. \n\n\n\nJONES: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this is one of the dresses that my mother made. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, how beautiful. \n\n\n\nJONES: Now that was performing with [Richard Franko] Goldman. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, my goodness. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes, here's a picture of him, the back of him anyway. Richard Goldman? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Richard Goldman in New York. \n\n\n\nJONES: In New York. Yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: With the Goldman Band. \n\n\n\nJONES: Another one. Something happened to it. I think it was stuck on the page\nor something. I used to go with the photographer who took these pictures. These\nwere the pictures from the Met. Which you can see, there are a lot of them. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now\ndo you remember this man? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, yes. William Sebastian Hart, the Bureau of Music, Baltimore. \n\n\n\nJONES: Now, that's an interesting story. For one year, he was in school music,\nand I had to take something over there, percussion or something, with him, and\nhe scared me. He terrified me. And I couldn't get it right. [Taps rhythm] I\ncould not do these rhythms right. And he wanted me to come back and play for an\nexam, I think. And I was so scared of him I didn't come back to play for it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I\nthink he passed me anyway. But he scared me to death. He was mean to me. That's\nhow I remember him. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I love that photograph. I think that is just -- \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, do you have this one? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yes, I think we do. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh my gracious. This is Cosí fan tutte. That's Fiordiligi. This one is\nnot very nice. I don't like those teeth sitting out there. This was at the Met.\nThis is winning the audition at the Met. This girl behind me is Mary Hagopian,\nwho was a student at the New England Conservatory, and she came down from Boston\nto come down to New York to hear the audition. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this is when I came back and\nperformed with Walter Lee. We did a concert together. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, my. Where is Walter now? \n\n\n\nJONES: I don't know where he is. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: He was wonderful. I remember his playing very well. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes, he was. Oboist. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: A very refined tone. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And very handsome. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, Walter was handsome, plus he drove a Mercedes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: He didn't need a Mercedes. He was so attractive. \n\n\n\nJONES: Right, he was.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, look at this. \n\n\n\nJONES: This is when I was going to Europe, and this is my father and my mother,\nand these were the people who had come to see me off. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Now where was this? \n\n\n\nJONES: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was in someplace on Garrison Boulevard. It was some hall or something.\nAnd that's my cousin back there, and that was a friend of mine, Nancy, and my\naunt Gertrude. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: That's some proud parents. For all good reason. \n\n\n\nJONES: At that time, it looked like the sky was the limit. And that was\nBarbarina in The Marriage of Figaro? I'm not sure what that was. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Beautiful. These are wonderful. \n\n\n\nJONES: This is, of course, a picture of my mother. My mother passed. She died in '87.  \n\n\n\nThis was a picture -- The New England Conservatory bought this gown for me. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They\nwere so happy with my going to the Met and all that. I think I had to come back\nto graduate because the auditions fell in between the time that I was to\ngraduate. So they bought that gown. It was a gorgeous gown. Really beautiful\ngown. And this is one of these pictures of Walter. This is a picture with\nJustino Díaz and--I can't remember his name. He's teaching somewhere now. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"These\nare just some other ones, and these are all the same. I forget what you call\nthese. Contact sheets. These are all the same. So, I dug those up for you last night. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, this is wonderful. Well, you know, the sky might have been the\nlimit, but you really had quite a turn through that sky, really. You really did.\nAnd the decision to come back, I think people don't realize, when they think\nabout a career in opera or a career as a singer --people forget how hard. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I\nmean, talk about a hard job. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. It's a hard job. Plus, the fact that when I was in Europe, I was\nalone. I had a little German boyfriend, but basically, I was without family.\nWhen I was there in Düsseldorf, there were those people who were around me that\nwere Americans that I knew, but then I went on to someplace else. I went to\nWuppertal, which isn't far from Düsseldorf, and then to Regensburg, and to\nSwitzerland, and lived there four years. I don't know, I just got tired of it. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So, time to come back. Put down some roots. \n\n\n\nJONES: Time to come back. That's right. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, we're glad you came back. [Laughter] \n\n\n\nJONES: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: This is just an absolutely wonderful tour. Can you remember what you\nwere thinking when this picture was taken? You look like you're glowing. \n\n\n\nJONES: I was. I mean, this was right after having won the competition with\nJustino. Justino won the big prize and I was second. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: What did you sing? \n\n\n\nJONES: \"Depuis le jour.\" That was my theme song. That was everywhere with me. I\ndon't know, I think I was just happy. Life is a snap. Look at how easy all this\nhas been for me! That's really what I thought. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd come to New York. I had an\napartment. I got an apartment. I was working, going to the Met every day,\nrehearsing, and I thought that was how life was. That it was just that easy. I\nwould say that it was out of ignorance. I didn't really have a good direction at\nthat time. I mean, I was just sort of going along with it. Everything was\nhappening, so I'd go along with it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I wasn't really motivated to do the\nbigger things. You know, to go onto. And then I guess I just sort of wore out\nafter a while. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, it takes a lot out of you. It's very emotionally draining. \n\n\n\nJONES: Draining time. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: But my goodness, you made a lot of teachers happy. \n\n\n\nJONES: Yes. [Laughter] Yes. Yes. And they got a lot of students from that. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, I'm so grateful to you for agreeing to do this [unclear]. \n\n\n\nJONES: I think, too, this new Reginald Lewis Museum, African American museum.\nI'm thinking that they will probably want to have something, as well, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438/transcript/38428/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so I\nthought maybe I should get something together for them. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, that's wonderful. \n\n\n\nJONES: Also the Maryland Historical Society. They don't have anything on me.\nThey, too, need to have something. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: That's right. Well, we thank you very, very much for doing this. \n\n\n\nJONES: Oh, you're more than welcome. \n\n\n\n[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44144/file/117438#t=1320.0,1380.0"}]}]}]}