{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/iiif/bk16m33r74/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Rosalie Walker White oral history, 2002 March 9-12"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/008/original/peabody-institute.logo.large.horizontal.blue.cropped.png?1549570058","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":[" Rosalie Walker White began studying flute at Douglass High School with John Bohl and W. Llewellyn Wilson. During World War II, she joined the previously all-male Municipal Band directed by Edward Pettyman. White also played in the Colored Park Band led by Charles Harris. She was active as a musician until her final illness, performing with instrumental groups at Sharon Baptist, Union Baptist, Christ Methodist, and Trinity Baptist churches and with the Social Security Band. Interview with Melody Abedinejad conducted in two segments. (Abstract)"," Loud buzzing present on source media in part 2 of interview, 13:00-17:00. (Physical Description)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":[" 2002-03-09 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":[" White, Rosalie Walker, 1921- (Interviewee)"," Abedinejad, Melody (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":[" English (Primary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["audio/mp3"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins University"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["The collection is open for use. Contact peabodyarchives@lists.jhu.edu for more information."]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://aspace.library.jhu.edu/repositories/4/archival_objects/215399"]}}],"summary":{"en":[" Rosalie Walker White began studying flute at Douglass High School with John Bohl and W. Llewellyn Wilson. During World War II, she joined the previously all-male Municipal Band directed by Edward Pettyman. White also played in the Colored Park Band led by Charles Harris. She was active as a musician until her final illness, performing with instrumental groups at Sharon Baptist, Union Baptist, Christ Methodist, and Trinity Baptist churches and with the Social Security Band. Interview with Melody Abedinejad conducted in two segments."," Loud buzzing present on source media in part 2 of interview, 13:00-17:00."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["The collection is open for use. Contact peabodyarchives@lists.jhu.edu for more information."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins University"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins University"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/008/original/peabody-institute.logo.large.horizontal.blue.cropped.png?1549570058","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/117/511/small/walker_photoshop.jpg?1651086853","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 2 - pims0091_WhiteR-1_01.mp3"]},"duration":3002.04408,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/117/511/small/walker_photoshop.jpg?1651086853","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-peabody.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/117/511/original/pims0091_WhiteR-1_01.mp3?1624271010","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":3002.04408,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["WhiteR_1_OHMS_20220609 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELODY ABEDINEJAD: Mrs. White, could you tell me what your middle name is?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Walker.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Could you tell me where and when you born?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I was born March 26, 1921. That's what they tell me. I\ndon't know. [Laughter]\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And where were you born?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: In Baltimore, Maryland. I went to school here.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Can you tell me anything about your education, like\nelementary school, starting there?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, I went to elementary school No.104, at Presstman and\nCary streets, right next to St. Peter Claver. And for junior high school went to\n130 down on McCulloh Street, corner of Lafayette. And to high school, I went to\nDouglass. Old Douglass High School here on Carey and Baker Street. I went to\nMorgan College, I studied mathematics.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: How was your experience at Douglass? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You picked up the flute,\nright, you started playing flute in high school?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: At times it was the piano. But my nieces started, so I\nthought I'd teach myself, but my left hand was behind my right. One thing, I say\nI could read and write better.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Now, when did you pick up the flute? Do you remember what year?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I was about fourteen, around 1935.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And you continue playing the flute now, even?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Are you in any bands right now?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I play in the Social Security Band.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And how long have you played there?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I started just about twenty some years. More than that.\nWell, I'll say thirty years anyway. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we also have a church band I play in.\nO'Neill's Band at Sharon Baptist.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Have you always played in church groups?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Mostly church groups, yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Why don't you tell me a little bit about the church groups\nyou played in starting as far back as you can remember?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I played in Union Baptist Church, and then an East\nBaltimore Methodist church -- Christ Methodist Church, and Sharon Baptist. And\nmy church, we had it one time but they took it away -- Trinity Baptist.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in your years at Frederick Douglass High School, you had a\nteacher John Bohl?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Could you tell me anything about your lessons or about your teachers?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, yes. I think he was German descent. Yes. He seemed\nto be very good. He was the only teacher I had that was a private teacher. I\nmean, he was very good also. And I also mentioned Mr. Holloway. He was down,\ndowntown somewhere. He died a couple of years ago too. He taught private\nlessons. Mr. Bohl was kind of heavy set. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The other man was smaller. Well, he was\nolder too.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And did they come into the high school to give you lessons?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Mr. Bohl did, yes. He came to the high school. The other\nman, I went to him, Mr. Holloway.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: When did you change teachers from Mr. Bohl to Mr. Holloway?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: After I left high school, well, I couldn't keep up with\nthe band as well as I thought I could. So then someone was telling me about him,\nMr. Holloway. Well, I hadn't had any music before, so it's kind of tough.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: How did you feel about that as far as catching up with them?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I finally caught up with them. [Laughter] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it was tough.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: You played in bands in high school too?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: How many people were in your band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: In high school? I would say about thirty some people.\nThere were all instruments.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who was the director of your band in high school?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Mr. Wilson. Mr. Llewellyn Wilson. That was all.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And what kind of a relationship did the kids in the band have\nwith Mr. Wilson?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: They seemed to like him very much.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So was he really active in the life of the high school? Did\nyou see him a lot or was it just during band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: In class. We had class. Each person had different groups.\nThe flutes, I had to be by myself because wasn't any flute there at that time,\nbut we had several kids that joined later on. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There weren't any females there\neither -- I mean in the flute section. There weren't any males rather. [Laughter]\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you have any other memories from the time you were in high school?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, I always wanted to play a solo. I had learned the\nStar Spangled Banner, but I never noticed until we got ready to play this solo,\nthat one was written in B flat and another was written in A. And I had learned\nthe one in B flat. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was interested in \"and the rockets\" -- that's the part\nwhere the flute comes in -- and I was playing the wrong key.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: How did that feel?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, I didn't know until it was over. [Laughter] I didn't know.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So what other types of things do you remember?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, I liked the William Tell Overture (or the Lone\nRanger). ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was another song I did -- oh, from Halleluluia Chorus, too. And\nsome of the popular numbers too. \"Roseanne\" I believe it was. And what was the\nother thing called -- Oh, everybody liked the \"Tuxedo Junction\". ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I couldn't keep\nup with that.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So what was it about it that made you want to stay with it\neven though it seemed like it was hard at first?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I liked the music. Yes. And I also liked the way where\nevery instrument almost gets a part to play. I like that part too.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So when you were at Frederick Douglass High School, did you\never go to any concerts that they had there?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. They used to have quite a few, at Druid Park, right\nup the street there ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and somewhere downtown. Oh, down in Mt. Vernon, down in that\narea. I can't think of it.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did you ever go to any of the concerts that the Colored\nSymphony Orchestra or the Colored Chorus held at Frederick Douglass High School?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: The chorus and the band?\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Yes. Can you tell me anything about them? Anything that you remember?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: We had to keep up with the main chorus. Of course we're\nused to doing that in church. That wasn't that bad.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, I know Llewellyn Wilson, besides being the director of\nmusic at Douglass, he directed a lot of these groups as well, the orchestra and\nthe band.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you ever meet the people in the orchestra or talk to them\nor even play with them?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes we played together.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know the Colored Orchestra played at Frederick Douglass\nHigh School especially because they had the children's concerts. Did you ever go\nto those concerts?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. At the high school. We played at the park too at that\ntime. And we used to go to Mt. Vernon -- that area.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And how were those concerts?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: They were very nice.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did a lot of your family and friends go to the concerts too?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: My family, yes, they did. Because my father started\nplaying the flute. But he had asthma so he didn't play too much.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did your father start playing after you or before you?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Before.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: What about your brothers and sisters?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: My brother played clarinet.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So at these concerts when your family went, did a lot of your\nclassmates go too or people from your church that you knew?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes, some. Not many classmates. I don't know why they\ndidn't allow them to come by, but a lot of people I knew. People in the\nneighborhood too.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you think those concerts were the type of thing that a lot\nof people went to?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. They don't have many like they used to have.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: What do you mean by that?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I think they should have more. That's the way I feel.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did you say they used to have more concerts like that?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Was that when you were younger or before you were in high school?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Before and after too. Then it stopped. Just around the,\nwhen was it? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They cut down on it anyway I know. I think they have about six a\nyear now.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: After high school, you went into the Park Band. When did you\njoin the Park Band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: A year after high school.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you remember the year?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I don't. No. Somewhere in the '40s. But I hadn't joined\nthe union, see, at that time. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I joined later on.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you remember when?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Must have been about, possibly 1950, it might be before that.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Were the other members of the Park Band in the union when you joined?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. Also I had to get permission to join, I mean to play rather.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Were there other women in the Park Band with you?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, just one. She played the French horn, I think, some\nkind of horn it was. Ms. Blondea Garner I can't think. She died about two years\nago. She didn't live in Baltimore. She had moved.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So what did the Park Band do?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: They played at most of the squares in the park. And\nmunicipal band played on the different street corners like that.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you give outdoor concerts mostly then?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. It started in June up to end of August. I think we\nhad thirty concerts altogether. This would be on Wednesdays and Sundays.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: You had thirty concerts per summer?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So how did it feel to be one of two women in the Park Band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: [Laughter] Well, I went to school with boys so it didn't\nmake any difference.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: You were used to it.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. Of course, we had men all ages though. 'Cause a lot\nof the boys had gone to the service -- the younger men. I know the one fellow in\nmy class was stationed at Fort Meade, the whole time he was there. He was there\nfour years I think.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was the band mostly boys in high school too?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. Probably is still mostly men and then boys. So we\nhave quite a few girls now playing flute. We have two or three at Sharon\n[Baptist Church] who play very well.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So overall how do you think playing music in high school and\nin the Park Band affected your life?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, I think it helped. One thing too the band became\nlarger, of course, more instruments too. And we didn't have the French horn at\nschool, but after I was out, they had a French horn. What else was there? We\ndidn't have a string bass either. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can't think of any others -- only those two.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So besides just having different instruments, what else was\ndifferent about being in the Park Band versus being in your high school band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, I guess the people knew more music. And they were\nthere on time. [Laughter] Yes indeed.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So they were more serious musicians would you say? Were a lot\nof them from your high school, people that you already knew from high school?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. They were older. Well, see a lot of the men from high\nschool had gone, they were put in the service.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did anyone close to you go to the service, like your brother?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. My brother.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: You mentioned that you play now in the Social Security band.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What other bands were in between? Did you play in any other groups?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, the Park and Municipal Band I played in later on.\nMr. Gwynn was the conductor then. No, Mr. Dodd.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1680.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You said you played in the Municipal Band too?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1740.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was that something that happened over the summer like the\nPark Band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. One played one Sunday, the other played the next.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So they traded concerts?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1800.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was it a different group of people in each band? Very\ndifferent group I mean.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Not the same.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So after the Municipal Band and the Park Band, what other\ngroups did you play in?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I played in the Social Security Band.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And do you remember when you started playing in that group?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1860.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some of the players helped me very much. But it was the\nfirst time I'd been with a group and that was a great help.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: How long have you been playing? Do you still play in the\nSocial Security band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah. I go on Wednesday and play there. It's a great help.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And you give concerts?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: I should go to one.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Oh c'mon. Invite us to where your place is. [Laughter]\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: I wonder if I'd fit in with my bass trombone.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. You want to come sometime?\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Absolutely. I'd love to. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1920.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was there any break in between when\nyou didn't play at all?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, we had rehearsal in the wintertime. No, I played.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So back when you started playing in the Park Band in the\nearly '40s, what was going on in Baltimore?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: What was going on in Baltimore? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=1980.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The war hadn't quite started.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you recall anything going on in the community?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, they had also a Symphony Orchestra. They would come\nout and play music, always playing at different schools when I was going to high\nschool. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=2040.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. Wilson had that. And they would play. They'd come for Friday evenings.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=2100.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What do you remember about those concerts?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, it was nice. Looked like the whole city was there.\nIt was really crowded.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you remember anything that they played that you\nparticularly liked?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: What did they play? I know they played four parts of it.\nDifferent. 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","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=2280.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you think it was a good opportunity\nfor people?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. I think so. And people all ages came too. A lot of\nolder people I mean would come.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Really? Did they go to other things too, or was this one of\nthose special occasions do you think that people came from all ages?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes, I think, and older people like the younger ones\nthere. That's the truth. Yes indeed.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=2340.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So what other types of things went on in the black community?\nI mean we know there was segregation at this earlier time. So what other\ncommunity events do you recall, besides church and besides these concerts, that\nbrought people together?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well downtown a lot of people would go to the park in the\nsummer, like fourth of July, holidays.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: At these holidays was there one of these bands playing usually?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=2400.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know they have a band always to play. And Mr. T.\nhad an associated band over there. He used to play down in the Italian section.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Little Italy?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=2460.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. Little Italy. Used to go down there. What was that\nthing they called. Looked like dough. Can't think of it. Oh, I forgot the name\nof it.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Like funnel cake or something?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. It's in grease. It's good though!\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So at these holidays, like fourth of July, there was always\nmusic there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=2520.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was never without music.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: And Christmas time too. Before the Christmas holiday.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: If you had to pick one thing that you think really brought\npeople together, what would you pick at this time?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I think picnics bring them together.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And when did people have the picnics?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Fourth of July. During the summertime. There used to be\nboat rides. Oh, where -- Brown's Grove they used to call it. I don't know where\nin the world it was. 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Because I wasn't working at that time.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And the Park Band ended right before you joined the Social\nSecurity Band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=2640.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Before.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: The Social Security Band, what kind of music do they play?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=2700.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They play all kinds of music. Definitely. We lost our\nconductor. He came to rehearsal that day, but he didn't make it upstairs. He\ndied. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=2760.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511/transcript/38499/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He died before he got upstairs. It was a sad day.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So going back, how did church music fit into your life?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, some of the churches had bands, small bands. My\nchurch had them. Our pastor cut it out, but I don't know why. I liked it. I\nthink it's nice for the children to get together. I mean all ages. I don't say\nchildren, but everybody can play together.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: That was like another opportunity for everyone to be together.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah. And they can help out, see. The older people can\nhelp out the younger ones. Or the younger might help the older. Then you can get\nwith people with your instrument. Like the flute. I was left out a long time\nbefore the flute came in. I didn't know whether I was right or wrong, because\nthe trumpet part sounds something like my part.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: You weren't involved with jazz music, were you?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. Sometime we played with the Park Band and the\nMunicipal Band.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you remember what songs you played that were jazz?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Oh, they played, what's the thing called? \"Tuxedo\nJunction\", I know.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: I remember you said you felt like you had a hard time keeping\nup with \"Tuxedo Junction\". Why was that? Why was it harder?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I think because I knew the song, and sometimes you try to\nplay like you hear. It's not written that way. \"Roseanne\", they had that too,\nand also my name, \"Rosalie\". What's that song they sing at twelve o'clock at\nnight, \"Good Night Sweetheart\". I don't know if that's jazz or not.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: When you played \"Good Night Sweetheart\" and \"Tuxedo\nJunction\", do you think that that was what people really listened on their own?\nOr do you think that people really enjoyed the other music better?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I think they liked both of them.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Okay. So now with the Social Security Band, do you perform\nconcerts for all ages?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. We go to different homes, senior citizen homes. The\nolder people, they like it. It's nice to carry something out to them. A lot of\nthem know those songs, those old songs like we play. They really like them.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So do you think music's been as important to you throughout\nyour life as it was when you were younger?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. I think so.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you have any other memories that particularly stick out,\nlike in rehearsal?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, this wasn't in high school. This was [laughter] at\nthe Social Security Band. One time, we had been playing a march, the trumpets\nwere playing one march; we were playing another. And the people were ready to\nclap. [Laughter] Yes, we were playing two different songs. Oh my. But it's funny\nhow, I mean, all the trumpets stuck right together.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Sort of like when you played the solo.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. They really, they clapped.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: What kind of jobs did you have besides Park Band or anything\nlike that? Was there some other kind of employment that you had?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I worked at Social Security.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: When did you start working in Social Security?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I worked for Social Security during the late '60s I think.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did the band ever travel anywhere? Like the Municipal Band or\nthe Park Band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I think they went to Washington I think. But mostly here\nin Maryland.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Were those concerts really crowded too?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. They still go.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Does it seem like music played a big part in keeping together\nthe Black community? Just from what we talked about earlier.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah, I think so.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you think anything else played a bigger role than music?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, a few ballgames. Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And you said the picnics here were part of it.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: And the Orioles yes. Especially the Orioles. They haven't\nbeen to the top of the list for a long time.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: No.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Of course, the Yankees and the Orioles, they draw a nice crowd.\n\n[END PART 1]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117511#t=2820.0,2880.0"}]}]},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - pims0091_WhiteR-2_01.mp3"]},"duration":2459.03674,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/117/512/small/walker_photoshop.jpg?1651086862","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-peabody.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/117/512/original/pims0091_WhiteR-2_01.mp3?1624271012","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":2459.03674,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["WhiteR_2_OHMS_20220609 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELODY ABEDINEJAD: Okay. So Mrs. White, we were talking last time about you\nbeing in the Park Band. I\n\nwas just curious as to where you rehearsed.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, when I first started at the Fifth Regiment Armory\ndown on, downtown\n\nthere somewheres. Yes. Downtown I think. Yes. The Fifth Regiment Armory.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And was that a building, the Fifth Regiment Armory Building?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. Big building. I can think of, big red building. Still\nthere I think.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Okay.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah, the soldiers used to practice there.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Was there an army band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. There wasn't a band.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did you rehearse there starting from when you first joined\nthe Park Band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. The whole time. With Mr. Prettyman. Then after Mr.\nGwynn, Mr. Gwynn\n\nused to practice at Douglass High School. Old Douglass here on Baker Street.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And when did Mr. Gwynn take over the Park Band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: He must have taken the assistant that year.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And you said that you think he passed away a couple of years\nago. So he's not still\n\naround, Mr. Prettyman.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Both of them are dead. Mr. Gwynn is too.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=0.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you have any kind of relationship with Mr. Prettyman\naside from just in band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, I knew his son. His son also played in the band. He\nplayed the tuba.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And what was his son's name?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Same as his, Edward.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: What about Charlie Gwynn? Did you have any kind of friendship\nwith him?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Just general talking like, you know.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Sort of thinking back now, why did you choose the flute\nversus other instruments?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, I guess because one thing it was home. My father had\nit. Yes. And I just\n\ntook it up from him. I really did like the sound of the trumpet. [Laughter] But\nI'm better\n\nnow I guess.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Is that the biggest reason why, because your father had a flute?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Any other reason or just that one?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, I didn't know many people were interested at that time.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So it was kind of special?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Well, you told me last week that you father played the flute,\nand your brother played\n\nthe clarinet.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Clarinet yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did the three of you ever play together?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. We used to play at church together. My brother just\nstarted playing in the\n\nservice so he didn't get much chance.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did you play at home?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=120.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And was it practicing?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Practice at home. No, we didn't play out together. We weren't in the same group.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And your brother, did he play in any groups before he went to\nthe service?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No, he didn't. Like my father.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So when you played at home, did you play chamber music, like\nsmaller ensemble music?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Mostly patriotic music like Star Spangled Banner.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: I know you said before that you played a lot of marches-\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: --in the Park Band.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I didn't say we played a lot. We played just about half\nand half. I liked the\n\nmarches, but [laughter] those marches were something. Now Sousa's marches were beautiful.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Which one is your favorite of Sousa's?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I like, what was it called. The flute bas a solo in that.\nOh what's that thing\n\ncalled. Stars and Stripes. Yeah, it's pretty.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Has a big solo in there at the end.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So you said it was half and half. So what other repertoire\ndid you play in Park Band?\n\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: We used to play overtures, and then we also played popular music.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Can you recall any specific songs that you played?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah Tuxedo Junction.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So how often did you play with your father and brother at home?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: It was not regular. I mean, every now and then they'd play.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=240.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And did your family enjoy it? The rest of your family?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. My mother, my mother always liked the violin. Yes, she liked that. She didn't play, but she liked those things.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did you have any other family members or cousins or anybody\nthat came by to hear you play or that played with you?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. I wish I had. [Laughter] No I didn't. Yeah, we had\nsomebody. Carrington\n\nhis name was. Well, he was younger than I, and I'm supposed to be helping him.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: What did he play?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: He played flute. Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did you give him lessons?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I used to go along with him. No I wasn't giving lessons,\njust go along certain\n\nmusic. But a lot of flutes have come up since that time.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Anyone that you know in particular?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. We have, at Sharon Baptist, I go there on Sundays.\nThey have four flutes.\n\nYes. They're short the clarinets. I don't know why nobody seems to go for it. Oboe\n\neither. Oboe is pretty.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: I agree.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. But I never seen before. Maybe that's why. Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: You think that's why your father played the flute too?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah he played the flute.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Is that why, though you think, because he didn't get to see\nthe other instruments very much like the oboe?\n\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, I don't think. Did we have oboe? I'm trying to\nthink. There was one man\n\nwith an oboe, but he was elderly man. He wasn't feeling so well.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=360.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you said at your church now there's a lot of flute players.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. At the church I go. Not my church.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Oh. Okay it's a different church. What was the name of it again?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Sharon Baptist.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Sharon Baptist. You told me you went to, I guess it was\nO'Neill's Church.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah. Christ Methodist Church.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Christ Methodist. So as far as the music there, can you tell\nme anything about it?\n\nThe music that you played there, that you heard there.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, at the Sharon Baptist we play different, have\nrecitals sometimes, they play\n\ndifferent. Play overtures like. I guess there is, what is that one called?\nSomething like, I\n\ncan't think of it right now. And the Hallelujah Chorus also.\n\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Oh the Hallelujah. Okay. What about when you were younger and\nyou went to the\n\nMethodist Church, what kind of music went on there?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: It's about the same because it was the same people. It\nmight not be the same\n\ntime. I mean.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did you play in a church group there?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. At the Methodist Church? Yeah.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Can you tell me about it?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, we had a, I believe they had a few more people than\nwe had. Maybe\n\nbecause the conductor belonged to that church you see. And he also taught music to\n\nsome students. Mr. Holliman his name was.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Holliman?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=480.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Holliman. His wife died about two weeks ago. Jane.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So the people that went to your church, to the Methodist\nChurch, that you played\n\nwith, did they live in your neighborhood?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. Some of them did, anybody that was down there. There\nwas one man down\n\nthe street that played the bass fiddle, Mr. Hill.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: What's his first name?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: What was his first name? N O R. He played the tuba too.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So when you went to church, did you play every week?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. Just once a month.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Were they special times?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. Just this Sunday, they picked out this Sunday.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did more people come to church that day?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I think so. Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So I know you talked a lot about how you think the church\nhelped bring together\n\npeople in the community to play music. Were the people in your church group younger\n\nor older?\n\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, I guess by now most of them are younger. [Laughter]\nWhen I went there I\n\nwas younger, but now I'm older. Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Was the rest of the group different ages?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=600.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Was it more like a band or like an orchestra?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Oh, but we didn't have many violins though. About three violins.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: There were string instruments?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. Most of them. But what's it called. Sits on the floor\nlike. A cello.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So church was important. I know that. What about where you\nlived? Like your\n\nneighborhood. Can you tell me about the social life in your neighborhood?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, when I first came around we had people of all ages.\nYou could find a child\n\nyour age in any house around. Well, see these mostly family homes, but they made\n\napartments now. So you could always find somebody your age.\n\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: What about, did you go over people's houses a lot, like visit\nthem and play with their\n\n kids?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. We did. I mean we went to play. I mean for the games. [Loud disruption in audio]\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=720.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you think the people in your neighborhood were really\nfriendly? Like did they\n\ncome out a lot and visit each other?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. They did.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So after high school, after Douglass High School when you\njoined the Park Band, you\n\ntold me you played at summer concerts. So what kind of functions did you play at with\n\nthe Park Band? You mentioned that you played outside. Were there any other instances\n\nthat you played with them? [Loud disruption in audio]\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=840.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We played at Morgan College sometime.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Was that all over the summer too?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: That was during the wintertime, the college.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you remember what high schools you played at?\n\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: We played at Douglass and Carver.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So when you played at Morgan College, was that for their\ngraduation or for\n\nsomething else?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. Just a program.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Now just thinking back on the different directors that you\nhad in high school and in\n\nthe Park Band, did you know A. Jack Thomas?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah A. Jack Thomas. Yeah I did.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: What can you tell me about him?\n\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=960.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had a good ear. [Laughter) Yeah. He had a good ear. Oh,\nI liked his music\n\ntoo. I liked overtures cause everybody gets a chance. And, you know, different sections.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: What else about him?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: We had string instruments too. We were more like an\norchestra I think.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did he direct your high school group?\n\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Who was your director in high school?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Mr. Wilson was.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Was A. Jack Thomas ever one of your directors?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. And we played. I met him somewhere one time. I wasn't\nwith him\n\nregularly though.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did he substitute in for somebody?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. I don't know who it was.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Was it Mr. Wilson in high school or was it in the Park Band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: In the Park Band.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: When you were younger, before you started playing the flute,\nwas there any music in\n\nyour life?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=1080.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The piano.\n\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: When did you start piano?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I guess I was about fifteen.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And did you practice or play in any groups?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. I practiced. But sometimes the practice didn't get\nthere. That's a different\n\n story.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Who was your teacher?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: This Mr. Bohl. He was at Peabody. I don't know what his\nfirst name was. He\n\nwas German descent. What was his first name? John I believe his name was.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And he was.at Peabody. So did you go there to have lessons?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. He came to school.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: He came to Douglass?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And what about even before that? Before you played the piano,\nlike when you were\n\nyounger like seven or eight.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. I never played the piano. I just picked it up.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Oh you picked it up. I see.\n\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: After my sister started taking it, then I probably be\nteaching myself. Cause see I\n\ncould read the right hand, couldn't read the left hand too well. That's what happened.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So your sister took piano lessons?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: With Mr. Bohl?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. She took it from, I forgot her name. Carter, somebody\nCarter. I don't know\n\nthe first name.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And what is your sister's first name?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Francis. And my niece did too. Leona. Leona White.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And what is your brother's name?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=1200.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His name was Charles. Leon we called him mostly.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So Charles Leon. What about your father?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: William.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And are all their last names White as well?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And what was your mother's name?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Edith. Walker her maiden name was.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: All right. I know we talked about memories from your lessons\nlast time, and you said\n\nyou remember you had trouble with sixteenth notes because they were really fast. What\n\nother memories do you have from lessons? Like anything your teacher said or anything\n\nthat you played in lesson that you liked or particularly is important to you?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, he said he liked my sound. He said he found the\nsound nice.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And how often did you have lessons?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: We had lessons once a week. But I rehearsed every day.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did everyone in your band in high school have lessons every week?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. No. I think the drummers had once a month. I think\nthey did it once a\n\n month.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=1320.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you continue to take lessons once you were in the Park Band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, yes, I continued because I didn't know that was I\nmaking mistakes. Now\n\nI'm just grateful to keep up, but I needed someone to play with me. That's what\nit was.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And who did you play with then?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I had another teacher and he and I could get together and play.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: What was his name?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Mr. Holloway.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Mr. Holloway, not to be confused with Holliman. Okay.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: He's an elderly man. I think, yeah, I think he died too.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And how long did you take lessons with him for?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Two years.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: While you were in the Park Band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. At that, yeah, I was still in the Park Band.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And was that also once a week, or did you just go whenever\nyou felt like it?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Once a week. Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you remember what years that was? Was that when you first\njoined the Park\n\nBand or after?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Afterwards.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: This is a question about where you lived? When did you move?\nI know you moved\n\nhere after a little while. When was that?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I guess I was about twelve years old.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And did you move to this house?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did you feel like the social life of this neighborhood was\nany different from your old\n\n neighborhood?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. That was just about two blocks away. It's just it was\na larger house and we\n\nhad a larger family.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you have any memories of when you were little wanting to\nplay an instrument or\n\nwanting to be a part of the band?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=1440.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I always wanted a piano and I wanted to sing. [Laughter]\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did you have a favorite singer?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Favorite singer. I used to listen to Kate Smith all the\ntime. We'd listen to her.\n\nShe was good. Yeah.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did you ever go to concerts when you were younger to see any singers?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you remember anything about those concerts?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Most of them were given at Douglass High School on\nSaturday morning. So we\n\nused to go there. I think that was a Park Band too I think. But we were young children.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did you go to any other types of concerts besides the ones at\nDouglass and in your\n\n church?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah. A lot of the churches had concerts. That's something\nthey don't have any\n\nmore like they used to. I don't know why. We had a nice program last year with\nthe two\n\nchurches joined together, and that singing and playing was beautiful.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: What two churches was it?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: It was the, what's it called. Not Methodist, yeah,\nMethodist and Baptist.\n\nBecause somebody said the two getting together. We all should do that. Yeah because\n\nsee sometimes you need more male voices. In fact, most of the time. I don't know why\n\nmen don't want to sing. They sound beautiful. I like men's voices. It's hard to\nget them\n\nto sing.\n\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Was it hard when you were younger too, in the church choir?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=1560.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Looks like the boys wanted to join. I don' t know why.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did you sing in choir at church?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah I sang.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you know when you started singing in choir? Like how old\nyou were?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. I stopped a couple of years ago.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: I mean, have you always sang in the choir since you were little?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you still do it now?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Not now. I used to.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: What part did you sing?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Soprano I was.\n\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you know what kind of music you sang in the choir?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, we sang spirituals and then sang religious songs.\nPatriotic songs too\n\nsometimes. God Bless America. I know that was one of them. That was pretty when it\n\ncame out. And what you call them now, you know, different voices sort of. Not\n\ntogether, I mean, but yet they come on in. I can't think of what's the word they use.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: That's like without instruments. All the voices come in together.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. No. They all weren't together. Might have some solos,\nsome might be a\n\nsolo. I'm trying to think. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=1680.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You might have one time, maybe a soprano might sing by\n\nitself, and then maybe the tenor might come in.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Oh like a fugue maybe. Okay. So there was a choir as well in\nchurch as well as your\n\nflute playing. Did you sing gospel music as well?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah. Gospel music. Yeah.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: And was the director of the choir the same as the director\nfor band in church?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. Two different people.\n\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Who was the choir director?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Who's our choir director. Oh, Reverend Walker. They were\nmarried. It was\n\nWalker at one time.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did you ever play anywhere on Pennsylvania A venue?\n\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. We didn't play on Pennsylvania Avenue. No. We played\non Division, near\n\nPennsylvania. Division Street, they used to keep that blocked off when they're playing.\n\nNo traffic.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=1800.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you ever go to Pennsylvania Avenue to see any music at all?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Wasn't much. Well, most of, nightclub music there. I never\nbothered with\n\n nightclubs.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Did you prefer the music that you played?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah. I preferred it. It might be the instrument too.\nBecause most people liked\n\nthe sax, you see. Yes. They liked the sax.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: You talk about that all the time, to have younger people\nplaying with older people and\n\nthat connection. [Loud disruption in audio]\n\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=1920.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you think that came out best in church or at concerts? How\ndo you think, what do\n\nyou think was the best place for people like that to interact?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, I think with the band. Because, well, I mean lots of\nthings I know a\n\nyounger person told me about it. He never got playing.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: What else like that's important to you?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, maybe because I didn't know. I know childrens. When\nI was young, I\n\ndidn't study like I should have. So we came across our aunt, she's younger,\nshe's, I\n\nguess she's getting disappointed. She said what you studying, she told me. And I said,\n\nwell, it's a lesson for me I mean. And some other older person might have\nignored it.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Was there anything else about your childhood or anything that\nyou wanted to talk\n\nabout that you think it's important to you?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I think I had a fairly nice childhood. Well, the thing\nabout me, I meet people. If\n\nyou're around different people that's neat.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: You like different kinds of people?\n\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. That's when this neighborhood, see, we had children\nall ages. Even little\n\nchildren I'll talk to. Little boys. Supermen I call them. Oh my. [Loud disruption in audio]\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Is there anything else that you wanted to talk about about\nPark Band.\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=2040.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I'd like to see all the bands come back. They're\nback now, but they don't\n\nplay nothing. I think they play about six the whole year now. See them come back.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: What do you think made them go away?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Well, it was a budget decision too much. So they cut out that.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: What year was that?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I think they, they didn't cut out all together, they just\ncut down on it. They had\n\nsome last summer I know. So it's not cut out all together.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: So you were disappointed obviously. Did you know a lot of\npeople that were\n\ndisappointed too?\n\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah, I think a lot of people disappointed. I mean, I\nmight not have to stop; at\n\n65. I might not be playing with them, at least I go see them. And my favorite rehearsals.\n\nThat would be a great help.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you think that life was any different for you and your\ncommunity when the bands\n\nplayed a lot versus now?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yeah. I think so. It gave them somewhere to go. Some\npeople have nowhere to\n\ngo. They get in trouble.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you think it helped keep people on the right track?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. Not me, but some people expected and all that.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=2160.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So as far as bring people together and bringing them so that\nthey're all kind of on the\n\nright track, do you think that was easier to do when the band existed?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: Yes. I think so.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: They cut the funding a lot. So that obviously takes away. So\ndo you think that the\n\nclassical music scene was more important at all than jazz to your community?\n\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: I guess to me maybe it was because I couldn't. The jazz\nwas, jazz [ don't know.\n\nTo me it was I think. Maybe to the group it might not have been.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: Do you think that more people came out to see the Park Band\nthan went to see jazz?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: No. I couldn't say that.\n\nMELODY ABEDINEJAD: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=2280.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512/transcript/38500/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[Loud disruption in audio] But do you think that the Park Band or any of these groups\nbrought together people of\n\nall ages more than jazz did?\n\nROSALIE WALKER WHITE: A little. All the people our age, if you play that jazz\naround their age now. I\n\nknow we've had, sometime we tried to find something that's in the 30s and 40s,\nand see\n\nthose people now around late seventies or something like that. Well, they liked\nthat. But·\n\nsome of the music they did I don't know. Yes.\n\n[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44178/file/117512#t=2400.0,2520.0"}]}]}]}