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Brooks organized the boys' choir at Dunbar High School and taught music at Carver High School."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["The collection is open for use. 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And then we moved to Central Avenue near\nJefferson, about three or four doors from Jefferson Street. I remember them\nputting the first filling station there. We were frightened to death. I used to\nremember sitting on the steps listening to my friends. I was afraid that the\nstreet would blow up because they put the gas tanks in there. It was the first\ntank, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one of the first that they put in the city.\n\nSCHAAF: Tell me a little bit about your family.\n\nBROOKS: My family -- my mother, as I told you before, came from North Hampton\nCounty, Virginia, and my father was a North Carolinian. And my family roots -- I\nmean my mother's family -- was from North Hampton County, Virginia and they were\ngrandchildren and children and wife of George Savage. He was remembered as a big\nsinger, they said he sang all the time. He was in Alex Haley's Roots, George\nSavage. And he's my great-great-grandfather.\n\nMy father was just a plain stevedore here. My mother met him in Maryland and\nmarried him. She had no brothers, no sisters. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She had nine children, four of\nthem died at birth and five that lived to be grown. They're all gone now. I'm\nthe only one left.\n\nSCHAAF: You were telling me about a member of your family who was a midwife.\n\nBROOKS: My mother's grandma, great-grandmother, Priscilla Savage, was a midwife,\nand everybody called her Grandma Phillips in North Hampton County, Virginia. And\nshe was the only one. She was a slave. She had a sister named Elsie. I remember\nseeing her with her slave attire, with a white hat, with her cloth around the\nhead. And she used to always have a little cup of coffee when we'd go down to\nVirginia to see her in the summer. She was a slave, but they all died before I\ngrew up.\n\nSCHAAF: When did your mother come to Baltimore?\n\nBROOKS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My mother came to Baltimore when she was about sixteen years old. And\nshe's been dead now for about thirty-five years. I don't remember the exact date.\n\nSCHAAF: And did she ever talk about how she met your father?\n\nBROOKS: No. She didn't talk about that much. She never talked about that. He\ndid. He used to always talk about how he met her. I think he was a boarder in\nthe house where her mother lived. And when her mother died, she didn't want to\ngo back to the country so the lady kept her, and they had a relationship and\nthen they got married. And out of this marriage were these children.\n\nSCHAAF: When did you become interested in music?\n\nBROOKS: Ever since I can remember, as a little girl. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I became deeply\ninterested in music was when my mother -- through Edna G. Locke, she was an\nundertaker at that time and she lived around the corner from us. Our backyards\nconnected with each other. Mrs. Locke used to come and meet my mother, then take\nus to Waters Church. I joined the Waters Church, and Hilda Rochester, who was\nthe first Black woman who worked downtown as a probation officer, took me to\nDunbar School because we lived right around the corner.\n\nThey put me in Dunbar School, and the rest of us, all my brothers and sisters in\nDunbar School. We stayed in Waters Church where Mrs. Margaret Purviance was the\nmusician. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think that Gaines, Reverend Gaines, who later became a bishop, was\nthe pastor then. But after he left, I was too little to remember him, but he\nenabled my mother to put me in in the cradle roll department at Waters.\n\nBut Bishop M. H. Davis was the one who really started me on my music career\nbecause he saw me playing for the church, at junior church, and he made me\norganist for the junior church. I was thirteen years old. I had started taking\nlessons from Mr. John Dungee. As I told you before, Miss Purviance wouldn't\nteach me. Mrs. Atkins had Mr. Dungee to come down and teach me.\n\nSCHAAF: And Mr. Dungee was an organist at--\n\nBROOKS: At Bethel. Mr. Dungee was the organist at Bethel Church. Then many\npeople didn't have cars like they do now. He used to walk around and teach his\nstudents. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bishop Davis made me organist for the junior church. I could play the\npiano a little bit.\n\nSCHAAF: Tell me a little more about Margaret Purviance.\n\nBROOKS: Mrs. Margaret Purviance, oh, she was an excellent teacher. She taught\nEubie Blake, and when he would come to town, she would let me go ride with his\nlittle niece. She would come to town and be lonely and we would ride in the car.\nBut she wouldn't teach me. She taught nearly everybody in Baltimore, in East\nBaltimore. I don't know about the rest of Baltimore. After she died, Mrs.\nHusketh took over most of the students.\n\nSCHAAF: Mrs. Lovey Husketh.\n\nBROOKS: Mrs. Lovey Husketh. And I liked her. But I was a big girl then. I was in\nhigh school.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I went to high school, I didn't play much because the first year I went to\nschool, I heard a woman say, \"Did you ever see as many little dirty children as\nfrom East Baltimore?\" They had a way of talking about East Baltimore and gave us\na complex. And I wouldn't do anything.\n\nBut Llewellyn Wilson was the teacher there, and he heard me play one day. I was\ngetting ready to come out of high school, and he had me play in the morning\nauditorium service. Then he had me play a couple numbers for commencement.\n\nSCHAAF: This was at Douglass?\n\nBROOKS: At Douglass High School. That was 1929.\n\nSCHAAF: Tell me about Mr. Wilson. What kind of a man was he?\n\nBROOKS: Mr. Llewellyn Wilson, I just loved him to death, and most of the\nstudents did. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had a big family of his own, you know. But he was a good music\nteacher. He was open with the children, and he made everybody feel as if they\nwere just his own children. The music was good. He'd select the music. When we\ngot in class, it wasn't a drag to sit and listen. He had jokes and everything.\nWe had good music classes. Everybody wanted to go to Mr. Wilson's class.\n\nBut after I graduated from high school, I began to play for churches. I played\nfor Waters Church when Miss Purviance died.\n\nSCHAAF: So you succeeded her.\n\nBROOKS: I succeeded her. I just loved her so. You know how young people are.\nThey idolize older people. She was very fat, and she would get out of breath\ngoing up the steps. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would wait for her and run down and get her her water and\neverything. So one day she said to me, oh, they tell me you are going to sit in\nmy place. Because I practiced all the time. And my mother had a rule in my house\n(they call me Junie), nobody is to disturb her when she's at the piano. That was\nthe rule. When her cousins would come from the country to help her with her\nchildren -- because she had no sisters and brothers, I had no aunts and uncles\n-- they would come, and the rule was in the daytime, when I was at the piano,\nnobody was to bother me. And I played all the time. I really loved it.\n\nOne night they had a play for Jephthah's Daughter and Miss Purviance was unable\nto come or for some reason. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And my sister said, \"Junnie can play those pieces.\"\nBecause as I told you, my mother sent us to everything in church, and I had\ntaken one of those church books home. I could play those pieces, like Jephthah's\nDaughter -- I don't know if you've ever seen that play. My sister said, Junie\ncan play those pieces. And I played for the rehearsal that night. I think I was\nthirteen. Well, they had a big commotion about it with Miss Purviance, because\nshe didn't show up. They said she had been doing that lately. You know how\nchurch people are. She told me she thought that I would take her place. I was so\nhurt because I loved her to death.\n\nBut right after that, I went around the corner to play for Fountain Baptist\nChurch. And I lied. I told them I could play pipe organ but I couldn't. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Only\nthing I could play with was my hands. I didn't know anything about the stops. I\ncould play E-flat, B-flat on the organ. But I played for them for ten years.\n\nSCHAAF: Oh my! At Fountain?\n\nBROOKS: I would go in there [at Fountain] and practice and practice and\npractice. I played for them for ten years. Then, in the meantime, Miss Purviance\ndied and I came back to my church because that was my church. After that, I\nthought I knew everything. I was grown and I got married. I didn't want to go to\ncollege. I didn't want to do nothing. You know how teenagers get. That was a big mistake.\n\nSo I married a man who was a tailor, and I learned to sew and I sewed up and I\nsewed down, but I would always play for somebody's church. I played for\nFountain, I played for Union Baptist, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from '52 to'72. Reverend Dobson was at the\nchurch. I played for Whitestone Baptist for ten years. I've been playing for\nchurch all my life after I went to Waters.\n\nI had my ninetieth birthday last Wednesday, and I played for Waters on Sunday.\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, wonderful.\n\nBROOKS: Yes, I played for them. My list is so long, so much to tell. After my\nlittle girl grew up, I decided to go back to school. I went back to Morgan, and\nI went for three years, and got my bachelor's.\n\nSCHAAF: When was this?\n\nBROOKS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I went to Cortez Peters [business school] to learn typing so I could\nsend myself. But my husband said I shouldn't go and he wasn't going to pay for\nit. He didn't want to lose a good tailor. [Laughter]\n\nAnd so I went to Morgan. When did I go to Morgan? Nineteen forty-something I\nwent to Cortez Peters and I finished there. Did very well there, but I still\nplayed for churches, you understand?\n\nSCHAAF: Yes.\n\nBROOKS: I worked in the shop in the daytime, I played for churches at night.\nThen I decided to go to Cortez Peters and I did very well there. But that was\nthe first year they put people in Social Security. I'm getting old now and I\ncan't think.\n\nI came out of Morgan in '50 ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so it was somewhere between '40 and '50. But I had\ngone to Morgan. On the first day I went to Morgan I didn't have any money. I\nwent in with three dollars, and I told the man I wanted to go. I laid in bed one\nnight and I had a dream and I said, I've got this girl and if I don't send her\nto college, she won't go. I just had to send her. Her father said she's going to\nCoppin. He wasn't going to pay any money for her to go to college. She was crazy\nabout music. So I got up and went out and I said I'm going back to school.\n\nI got up one morning and put three one-dollar bills in my hand. That's all I\nhad. And I went to see about it. This little short man named Rogers was there\nthat day. I asked him, how could I get in? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He said, we can't take anybody else.\nThey were only taking sixty people, and the slots had been filled. After I\ntalked with him, he flirted with me, like most little men do. I told my mother I\nlooked good that day. And he gave me a job. He said I've got something you can\ndo. He said, what's your major? I told him music, my experience and everything.\nHe gave me a job teaching music. They wanted somebody at Towson at night for\nnight school. He gave me that job teaching\n\nBut I'm ahead of my story because between the last two years I was in Morgan, I\nbecame deathly sick. Pressure -- pressure at home and the baby -- everything was\ntoo much for me. I got sick. The last year of that sickness, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at the end of that\nyear, Peabody offered a training session to put piano teachers in the public\nschools of Baltimore. I was one of the three selected.\n\nThere was a woman named Franklin, and oh I can't think of the other lady - I can\nsee her, but that's what you get when you get ninety. And we were going to\nschools and building our classes up and work with the PTA. I had more graduates\nthan any of them. I worked hard. I went to 113, a whole lot of the elementary\nschools and taught piano to the children after I took this little course. It was\na short course. They didn't allow us to go into Peabody. You know, we had to\ncome out. She would come to the school and teach us.\n\nSCHAAF: Who was this teacher?\n\nBROOKS: I can't think of names these days. I can see people, but I can't recall\nthe names. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was a little short woman, Caucasian, but she was a nice little\nperson and she taught us this new method.\n\nMany of the methods I've used and I've taught hands, counting, clapping stepping\nand bending. All those things I taught. I used that money to put me through my\nlast year at Morgan. And when I finished Morgan, they gave me an exam after I\nquit teaching in the system because I knew the choral work. I had been exposed\nto it all my life, but just didn't have the background or the degree. And so I\ntook the exam and I stood first, and they put me in Dunbar High School -- down\nthere with Mildred Williams. You've heard of her, I bet you.\n\nSCHAAF: Mildred Williams, yes.\n\nBROOKS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's right, they put me down with Mildred Williams, and Dolores\nWilliams came here from Chicago to work that year. I was the only person\nappointed from the staff that year, from the list. Mildred had known me in high\nschool, and I didn't know at the time that she was just substituting. She was\nappointed but she had not taken the exam. You understand how that goes. They\ntreated me horrible. I used to come home and cry.\n\nBut it didn't bother me. You know what I did? I went in and organized a choir or\nlittle boys. I had eighty-nine little boys because Dunbar was only high school\nthen. I had these little boys, soprano, alto, tenor and bass, and the\nsuperintendent of schools -- oh, what was his name -- he was good looking and\ntall. I mean superintendent of music, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"head of the music division. Bert?\nSomething beginning with a B, I don't know. He had everybody listen to my little\nboys. I took them to all the churches in East Baltimore, those boys. Some of\nthem are my best friends now.\n\nMy daughter had my ninetieth birthday at Martin's West last Wednesday, and had\nall these people and some of those children that I taught. After I had that\nboys' choir, then Mr. Serposs [phonetic], I believe his name was, came and said\nto me, would you like to go to another school?\n\nThen they thought that vocational school students were not considered as bright.\nYou understand. I said well, no. I thought they were just moving me because she\ndidn't like me. But anyway, they sent me to Carver High School, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I had the\nbest time I've ever had in my life. Those children -- they were pathetic.\n\nThe first day they sent me a big boys' group. I introduced myself to my class. I\nused to put my name on my board and turn around and introduce myself, tell them\nabout myself. And one little boy in the back said, huh, she thinks we're nice.\nShe doesn't know us. We came from Boys Village. They had put thirty or forty\nlittle boys with similar backgrounds in one group. And I said, well, who cares\nwhere you came from? You're here today, you look good to me. I might have come\nfrom city jail. [Laughter] They burst out laughing, and we became friends.\n\nI took that group and made a male choir out of that class, and when we would go\nto the festivals, they would shine like gold. I'm telling you, they were\nwonderful. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I stayed with those children until, oh, I stayed at Carver until, I\nguess it was eight or ten years. Stayed with them from the old building to the\nnew building. But I loved the choral work, and I loved the children.\n\nAnd then Dr. Perdue decided he wanted to make a change. He had a little problem\nthere, and they transferred me to 181, another good school. But I had a good\ntime everywhere I went. Then I ended up in Lake Clifton. I got to Lake Clifton\nwith boys mostly, and I thought it was time for me to come out because he didn't understand.\n\nYou know, I think when they put these principals in schools who have no\nbackground for culture, they don't know. The children suffer. I really believe that.\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it's such a wonderful outlet.\n\nBROOKS: That's right. And the children liked it. And I stayed at Carver until I\nretired. I mean, at Lake Clifton -- I retired.\n\nSCHAAF: And when was that? When did you retire?\n\nBROOKS: Nineteen seventy-four, I believe. I stayed in school twenty-seven years.\nI went in in 1950, but I had been playing since I was thirteen, right on up. And\nI still kept it up. This year I played for the AME conferences, and I used to\nplay at Bethel. That big organ they have on that wall, for the Butlers when they\nwere -- they used to have big plays because we couldn't go downtown to the\ntheaters, and Bethel used to have big musicals and plays like that. Now some of\nthe things I might have left out, but that's about it.\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You mentioned Mr. Dungee. Tell me a little bit about Mr. Dungee, because\nhe's such a legend!\n\nBROOKS: I didn't know much about him. I was a little girl. But he was a very\nnice little man. Soft spoken and he would treat you as if you were very special.\nAnd he would try to teach you about character as well as music. He was a good\nmusic teacher. He used to have me come to his house. I guess he thought I needed\nit, being over there in East Baltimore. He lived on Druid Hill Avenue, the 1300\nblock. That was a very nice neighborhood then. And we would go there. I met his\nwife and his sister-in-law, and he would introduce me to the people at the\nchurch, and we would have our little recitals every year every June. He was very\nnice. But I thought he was a nice little man, and he was perfect gentleman. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He\nknew my mother worked, and I could be there alone. You can't people alone with\nlittle girls like that now days. But he was just nice.\n\nAnd he taught me nice things and nice music. Really nice music! But I didn't\nknow much about him other than that.\n\nSCHAAF: And you mentioned Georgeanna Chester.\n\nBROOKS: Georgeanna Chester worked with Mr. Dungee. Her father was a big lawyer.\nI worked with Mr. Dungee. She worked with him too, but I didn't know her well\nthen. I didn't know her well until I got into the school system. And we used to\nhave, my children, those vocational children, they were pathetic.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember, I would take them to church, they didn't even know how to sing the\ndoxology. I'm serious. I went with a group and I taught them. Now they don't\nwant you to talk about church. But I was a church woman, and I taught them to\nsing the doxology. And I took them to all the churches in East Baltimore, and\ntook them to the NAACP meetings and let them perform at those meetings. And some\nof them were very fine people. I had a boy the other night stand up at my\ntestimony, this little niece that I raised gave it to me. I didn't know, it was\na surprise at Martin's West. Almost two hundred people there! This boy got up,\nWilliam Bailey, he's turned into a minister now. He's got his own church, and he\nsings. He sings beautifully. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I used to work with them, take them to church,\nbecause I thought, and I still think, that the children need it.\n\nI didn't say you've got to be Catholic. I even played for the Catholics. I used\nto play for St. Francis, this big place, and I was a teenager, when they were\ndown on Calvert Street. Do you remember? I used to go down there and play for\ntheir plays at night. And I just enjoyed myself.\n\nAnd then, you know, I couldn't go to Peabody, but I wanted to learn so bad.\nThere was a man, I can't think of his name -- I can see him walking up Charles\nStreet and all around -- who took me to Stieff piano, up above Stieff's when\nthey were on Charles Street, they had all kinds of pianos and organs. I used to\ngo down there and get my organ lessons and play all those instruments.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had beautiful experiences. I wouldn't take nothing for my journey, as the old\nspiritual says. I can't think of his name. I think it was John something, or was\nit Mr. John? But he was tall, thin man. He was associated with Peabody, but I\ndon't know his name. I hope I'm not getting Alzheimer's. I can see people, but I\ncan't think of their names.\n\nSCHAAF: But when was this, around what year?\n\nBROOKS: That was, oh God, let me see. That was just, that was before Stieff\nmoved out here. You know they're out there behind Hopkins now, but they were\ndowntown on Charles Street. It was somewhere before 1935 -- my baby was born in '35.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sometimes when I go through all this stuff I put in my daughter's basement I can\nremember things, but I can't remember him. I can see him, tall. He died. I\nremember reading in the paper. He was so kind. He used to take students up above\nStieff's. And he was connected with Peabody.\n\nSCHAAF: Well, a lot of our faculty taught musicians in the black community.\n\nBROOKS: Yes, he did.\n\nSCHAAF: And they just didn't tell the people at Peabody. Mr. Strube taught Mr. Wilson.\n\nBROOKS: Now, see I never knew anything about that. Mr. Wilson was a really good\nmusician. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1680.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had such a way with children. I would just love to go to his class.\n\nSCHAAF: So you were going to Morgan just after the war.\n\nBROOKS: I went to Morgan, I came out in '50.\n\nSCHAAF: So it must have been just at the end of World War II.\n\nBROOKS: Yes. Yes.\n\nSCHAAF: There must have been a lot of men coming out after the war.\n\nBROOKS: Yes. Yes. Yes. I think about this fellow that's coming out -- the\n[Maryland state] senator, [Clarence W.] Blount. It must have been World War II\nbecause Blount's wife Jeanette and I were in music at Morgan. She was his wife\nthen. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1740.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was waiting for him to come out. Of course, you know when he came back\nhe divorced her and married somebody else. But she was a lovely girl, lovely\nlittle woman. Nice clean-looking girl.\n\nI was older than most of them, and I would go out there and Miss Hill, Frances\nHill -- I know you've heard of her at Morgan -- Frances Hill was my organ\nteacher out there. But I would give concerts at lunch at Morgan, and the\nchildren would pack the place. Yes, they did.\n\nSCHAAF: Who was head of the music department while you were there?\n\nBROOKS: What's his name? That was a man before Nathan Carter. I was getting my\nmaster's there when Nathan Carter came.\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, were you?\n\nBROOKS: I was in the first master's class at Morgan.\n\nAfter I started teaching, and, in the meantime, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1800.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I sent her to Howard University.\nI wanted her to get her master's. She came out of Howard one year when times\nwere tough and they were not taking many teachers that year. I told her to go to\nCoppin and get in as an elementary teacher because they were begging for them.\nAnd she went in as an elementary teacher. Then she got a job teaching. I said\nnow you should go get your master's and she wasn't interested.\n\nI had another little girl, Gwendolyn Buxton, who had been a music student of\nmine. Gwendolyn Buxton is teaching music in public schools. She went to Howard.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1860.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When she came out, she got a job teaching in public school music. The three of\nus went to Morgan. And Georgeanna Chester's daughter -- we went to Morgan to get\nour master's.\n\nThere was another man there. Then Nathan Carter came. And Nathan Carter was made\nhead of the department.\n\nSCHAAF: He was very young.\n\nBROOKS: He was very young and very shrewd, very shrewd. And so after that we\nstayed. We were the first class to get our master's. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1920.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After that I just didn't go\nback to school anymore.\n\nBut in between, when I began teaching, I went to NYU and started on my master's.\nAnd I had a nice time up there that semester. But as I said, times were tough,\nand we couldn't get in Peabody. There was no master's program at Morgan, and\neverybody was going to NYU, and I thought it was nice to go. I was having\nterrific economic problems.\n\nI had this little girl. My sister had just died. So I would put her in the car,\nthis bum car we had, with no heat. Cover her with blankets, cover me with\nblankets and go to New York, to NYU. Well, after that semester -- I did good\nthere, the man liked me. If he wanted a demonstration in class, he would say let\nLucille do it and I would do it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=1980.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I went to Morgan after she got her master's, we\nall got out together. These little girls had been students of mine. I decided it\nwas time for me to take a rest.\n\nI did, I needed a rest. And I came out, but I still took a little boy who's\ncoming out this year. He went to Towson -- Jason Ambush. My daughter was\nteaching music in public schools then, and I went out to her school. Miss Chris\nused to have her children, when they had Negro history week, she would get\npeople like me to come in and tell my experiences like I'm telling you and talk\nto the children. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2040.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I used to go there and talk to them. She just loved for me to\ncome down and talk to the children.\n\nAfter Miss Chris got married, I just stopped. Reverend Thompson came and asked\nme to play for Whitestone Church. I played for Whitestone Church. And what I\nhave been doing since then is playing. I play for church. I love to play for\nchurch. I feel funny when I don't go to church. I love to play for church. And\nthat's all I do.\n\nAnd I push Jason because he's coming out this June. He's going to be a good\nmusic teacher. He's going to be good. He's not so bright up here. He moves slow.\nHe's not a good math student or English student, but he's just eaten up with\nmusic. When he gets in it, he just changes. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2100.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A lady came the other day and asked\nme if I knew somebody and I recommended him. She wanted somebody to come in.\nHe's not quite finished. And he hasn't passed the exams to go in student\nteaching -- or I think he didn't finish his concert -- but that's about all he's\ngot to do. And so he said he can't go in student teaching until February. And so\nI said, well, go in the school and get your experience. Wouldn't that be good\nfor you?\n\nSo I think he's going three days one week and two days the next week. He's a\ngood little boy, nice little boy. I used to go pick him up at Douglass and take\nhim to the church and show him the organ.\n\nSCHAAF: Tell me about your daughter and the Park Band. You had a little one that\nwas the first woman in the Park Band.\n\nBROOKS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2160.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She's a grown woman now. She went to Howard University. And she\ngraduated from Howard University in music. And they told me she's going to be\none of the best, and it turned out. She taught music in the public schools,\nmostly elementary, lower levels, middle school.\n\nSCHAAF: Now how did she come to be the first woman in the Park Band?\n\nBROOKS: Well, she was playing at Dunbar High School. And Dunbar High School had\na band that was so good then. They would practice in the morning and the streets\nwould be lined with people to listen to them. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2220.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's another man, Bobby, who is\na musician now at Southern High School. He always talked about her being in the\nPark Band.\n\nAnd so when they asked her to play at some schools and all she went in. She was\nthe only little girl in there. She was a teenager.\n\nSCHAAF: Who was conducting? Was Mr. Prettyman conducting?\n\nBROOKS: I believe it was Prettyman. I believe it was Prettyman. But anyway, I\nwish she was here.\n\nSCHAAF: And tell me her name again.\n\nBROOKS: Lucille Martha Perry. Now she has her recital, and I don't know whether\nshe's going to advertise. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2280.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We have thirty or forty children coming up.\n\nSCHAAF: When you were little and Miss Purviance used to let you know when Eubie\nBlake was coming into town, did you have contact with him?\n\nBROOKS: Well, I was a little girl, and he would play with me and talk to me like\nthat. But then, while he was busy visiting Miss Purviance and all like that, his\nchauffeur would put me and his niece in the car with another little girl, Anita\nEllis Grinner, and we would go car riding.\n\nAnd my mother -- pity they didn't educate her, because she only made two dollars\na day as a laundress, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2340.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but she would pay for us to go downtown. We'd sit in the\nbalcony of Ford's Theater to see the plays, so we could see good music. And\nremember, he was in Hot Chocolate. She took us down there when they came for Hot\nChocolate, I went automobile riding with them.\n\nIt was a beautiful experience, but I don't remember all those people. I remember\nsome of them, but when you get ninety you don't think as fast as you used to.\n\nSCHAAF: But you got to see Eubie Blake.\n\nBROOKS: Yes.\n\nSCHAAF: That's marvelous. And they let his mother sit in the box. That was the\nfirst time they had done that.\n\nBROOKS: They did? It's horrible the way people were. People are horrible now. I\nthink about this Israeli situation and I think it's horrible. And the\nPalestinians. I'm not taking sides of either one of them, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2400.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but look at the little\nchildren. Isn't it horrible? Horrible because a few people want to be big. It's\nnot for the little people. And you find it all over the earth. Like in Africa.\n\nI went to Africa when I went to Morgan, and studied African music over there.\nWent to the University of Nairobi. We only went for six weeks, but it was a\nwonderful experience. Beautiful experience. Gwendolyn Buxton, Lucille Perry, and\nwhat's that called, the other girl, I can't think of her name. We went over to\nAfrica. It was really nice, but I don't want to go back to Africa. Anybody wants\nto go to Africa, you can go, but don't take me. It was a nice experience. And\nthe children, and they loved my daughter.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2460.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know the kind of hair we have, when it gets wet it balls up. So I said, it's\ngoing to be hot over there and I bought a blonde wig. This man comes in and says\nwho's that black or white? [Laughter] I had a nice experience. I'll never forget\nit, and we saw the women. We went all over Africa. It was nice, and they gave me\na guide. And what did they call me? Umzee, which means the older. They called me\numzee because I was older than the rest of them. We went to Victoria, Lake\nVictoria, out there where the dancers were. We had a nice time. It was really wonderful.\n\nWe went to the schools. We saw the girls dancing with no pants on. It was\nhorrible. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2520.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had on little skirts, the little girls. They came to dance for us\nbut they didn't wear underwear like we do. It was a nice experience where we\nstayed. We stayed six weeks. We stopped in England. We played and sang over\nthere in England. We stopped in Ireland. And everything was nice.\n\nSCHAAF: What a wonderful experience.\n\nBROOKS: I've had nice experiences. I really have. And now I don't want to go.\nI'm not particular about traveling any more. Since the terrorists, I don't want\nto go. I've seen enough. I like it better when it's quiet.\n\nWe have six girls and one boy, great grandchildren, and this is their house,\ntheir mother. They live with their father down in Bowie, but my daughter is so\ncrazy about her grandchildren.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2580.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I brought that [carved wooden figure] back from Africa. That was made in\nNairobi. Ain't it nice? We had a nice experience. And so now I'm just waiting I guess.\n\nSCHAAF: Well, you have seen Baltimore change so much since you were a little girl.\n\nBROOKS: Yes.\n\nSCHAAF: For somebody who loves music as much as you, and not to be able to go to\nthe Lyric, what a horrible thing.\n\nBROOKS: It was horrible. But you know, the old people used to say when one door\nclosed, you got to open another. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2640.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had the talent that probably could have been\nmore developed and I had the desire, and maybe if I had gotten the very best\ntraining -- but I couldn't have been more happier than I was. You understand?\n\nSCHAAF: I do.\n\nBROOKS: I'm not one of the straight Christians who believe in so and so, but I\nbelieve in God, and I still believe he helps you. I believe that he helps those\nthat help themselves. And god has been good to me. And I started in a good community.\n\nSCHAAF: Well, the doors to the churches were open to the performers. When Anne\nBrown couldn't sing at the Lyric --\n\nBROOKS: Anne Brown and I went to high school together.\n\nSCHAAF: Did you?\n\nBROOKS: Yes. Yes. Yes. Anne Brown. I remember when Mr. Wilson helped her\ndevelop. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2700.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, he did. Anne Brown. We went to Douglass together.\n\nSCHAAF: What was she like as a student?\n\nBROOKS: Well, she was very vivacious and friendly to everybody. She was\nloveable. You know she was pretty. She was loveable. But she had talent and she\nwasn't stuck up like some of those children. You know what I mean? She reminded\nme of Louis Young, Dr. Young in East Baltimore. And one thing about my people,\nif you got a name, you know, they can be sort of stuck up. But you find that\nwith all people.\n\nWell, she wasn't. They put her in all kinds of plays. And my sister used to be\nin plays with her at Douglass. My sister was very much more theatrical than I\nwas. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2760.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, she did, she sang with the big jazz bands and all that stuff. But I\nstuck to the church part. I liked church music. I didn't go out much, like girls\ndo in high school. I was a sticker at home, I stayed in. And sometimes I think I\nmissed something, and sometimes I think it just wasn't intended that I be that way.\n\nSCHAAF: When you have to practice every day, you can't do all that.\n\nBROOKS: Yes.\n\nSCHAAF: You know, Ethel Ennis was saying yesterday that she wasn't in the chorus\nbecause her mother wanted her home right after school. She didn't get involved\nin all that either.\n\nBROOKS: No. I didn't.\n\nSCHAAF: You can't make time for everything.\n\nBROOKS: No. You can't. But some children -- my sister was like that -- she could\nsing. All of them could sing.\n\nSCHAAF: Which one of the jazz bands did she sing with?\n\nBROOKS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2820.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She sang mostly the little jazz bands around here. All over. There I go\nagain. Lester somebody. He's dead now. They're all dead now. What was his name.\nLester. I can't think of it. Who's the woman that they got the statue downtown?\n\nSCHAAF: Billie Holiday.\n\nBROOKS: Billie Holiday. Everybody called her little Billie Holiday. Oh, she\ncould sing.\n\nSCHAAF: Now which sister was this?\n\nBROOKS: Her name was Ruth Austin. She died. She stopped [singing] when she\nstarted having children. When she got married and started having children.\n\nSCHAAF: I was interested in what you said about the attitudes of the East\nBaltimore and the West Baltimore communities.\n\nBROOKS: But they were. Did you know - ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2880.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when I retired from high school, I thought\nI would do something, and I didn't. I just hung around, you know, for music. But\none summer they asked me at Waters if I would do a summer camp. I did the summer\ncamp. I had a hundred thirty-nine children who would come in there every day.\nBut the pastor was a nut. He thought that the children from East Baltimore were\ninferior to him. But I found out later that he came from the projects in\nNorfolk. You see, some people don't want you to know where they come from. It's\ncrazy. I'm trying to say to you that it wasn't something that has gone away. It\nhasn't gone away. It should be, but I don't think it's going away.\n\nSCHAAF: So it persists even today?\n\nBROOKS: Yes! You look at television. Over on the east side, so and so and so.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=2940.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376/transcript/38403/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it is horrible over there.\n\nSCHAAF: I live on the west side, and I always feel like that they're talking\nabout our side.\n\nBROOKS: I think it's bad everywhere, if you want to know the truth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117376#t=3000.0,3060.0"}]}]},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - pims0091_BrooksL_02.mp3"]},"duration":1917.04816,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/117/377/small/Brooks_photoshop_jpeg.jpg?1649882548","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-peabody.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/117/377/original/pims0091_BrooksL_02.mp3?1624270768","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":1917.04816,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["BrooksL_2_OHMS_20220607 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SCHAAF: You were talking about the guitars in the school?\n\nBROOKS: We had friends loan us guitars for summer camp. They loaned us guitars\nand my nephew came down and taught these children guitars. He'd been in jail one\ntime and they sent him to Peabody because he was so talented. They'd bring him\nfrom the jail to Peabody and they'd give him free lessons and he learned to\nplay. But he changed his ways and everything. He came down taught those children\nguitar. This man was so stupid that he didn't think that anybody owed a darn\nthing. We had a place there that gave children clothes. When they tried to pay\nme, I wouldn't take the money, I put it back so the children could have it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He\njust thought that they were inferior.\n\nAnd one night we went over there for something, and he said, he told, let me\ntake you to your car because you know you're in East Baltimore and it's a\nterrible place. I'm just saying that this idea of people over there being\ninferior still hasn't gone away.\n\nSCHAAF: So many wonderful musicians have come out of the East side.\n\nBROOKS: Now where do you think they're coming from today with this horrible\nmusic that they're producing? Tell me. You can't get a good choral group because\nyou can't find a good bass. They don't sing basses. Everything has a number, has\na chord AC 7. And when they sing, they want you hear soprano and alto.\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I heard a bass and it was not long ago. It was when Anne Brown was\ncoming back here to Baltimore, and we went to Douglass High School and the kids\nsang for her. There was a bass there who was to die for.\n\nBROOKS: A boy?\n\nSCHAAF: Well, he was a very big boy.\n\nBROOKS: Well, I've had a fat boy over here to sing bass. Charles Jones. You know\nCharles Jones? Charles Jones. He sings with the Baltimore Opera singers.\n\nThat's my best friend, Charles Jones. And I tell you another good bass that I\nhave, William Bailey. But Bailey's got his own church, but he sang the night of\nmy finale. He used to sing in my choir at the school. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But you don't hear good\nbasses nowadays. They write that stuff and they don't play. Everything is chords.\n\nSCHAAF: We've had some students at Peabody who were just phenomenal. One of them\nis a trumpet player and he plays classical music and everything else. He's\nDontae Winslow. He does hip-hop, he does jazz, he does all of that.\n\nBROOKS: But they're going to do that hip hop because it's part of their generation.\n\nSCHAAF: And he's good at it.\n\nBROOKS: I have a friend. You know Audrey McCallum?\n\nSCHAAF: Oh I love Audrey.\n\nBROOKS: Ask her about me. She knows me. She hugs me. Ask her about Lucille\nBrooks. She says, you're taller than me!\n\nSCHAAF: And she's from the east side, too. I will have to do that.\n\nBrooks. She went to school with my daughter. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She's very nice. She has a sister\nthat's musical too, but she doesn't push herself like Audrey.\n\nSCHAAF: Well, it's hard to put down people from East Baltimore when you start\ncounting the number of musicians that came out of East Baltimore.\n\nBROOKS: You're darn right.\n\nSCHAAF: Going back to Chick Webb -- he grew up over there.\n\nBROOKS: He went to Waters, Chick Webb and his sister. And my sister sang with\nChick Webb.\n\nSCHAAF: Well, your paths must have crossed when you were young.\n\nBROOKS: Well, see, he was older than I was. I wouldn't have anything to do with\npeople who didn't go to church. You know how old people used to be. My father\nused to tell me, you're going to be a lady. You don't go out all hours of the\nnight and so on. Go to church. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He used to sit down and talk to me just as soft.\nAnd I thought I was Queen Ann. But you don't have well-rounded lives like that.\nYou're supposed to see a little bit of everything. What do you think?\n\nSCHAAF: I think you're right.\n\nBROOKS: But I appreciate what he did, I really do. But I think my sister had\nmore fun.\n\nSCHAAF: Well, if you were with Anne Brown, you must have been at Douglass when\nthe Prettyman boys were there.\n\nBROOKS: Oh, the Prettyman's. I know the Prettymans, some of them. See, Anne was\ncoming out when I went in. And she's three or four years older than me. And I\nknow some Prettymans. They had a sister. What was her name? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I went to school\nwith her and she died.\n\nSCHAAF: Sarah.\n\nBROOKS: Sarah Prettyman. You know them?\n\nSCHAAF: Mr. Prettyman lives just down the street from me.\n\nBROOKS: Where do you live?\n\nSCHAAF: I live in Reservoir Hill and he lives just over on Madison.\n\nBROOKS: It used to be nice. Scary around there now.\n\nSCHAAF: It's pretty nice. I've been there eighteen years. I just love the neighborhood.\n\nBROOKS: Well, that's good. Well it's improved then. Used to be gorgeous when I\nwas a child. And my mother had ideas about me and my sister. She would dress us\nup on Sunday and send us over to West Baltimore to our friends' house. She\ndidn't let us have nothing to do with them people. But there were some nice\npeople there, but she just felt that way. And she was poor.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think about this man down here at the Pepper Shack Prison, my mother used to\ndo laundry for him. I would help her iron. These people, wallpaper people, I\nused to have to go out on Mt. Washington. I used to go from school and help her\nand she was a laundress, but she had high ideas for her children. She did!\n\nAnd I was glad that I did what I did. I told her the other day. The last time I\nbought my mother a hat, she said, why would she buy me a hat. Everybody knows I\ncan't afford a hat like this. I rode her around in a Cadillac and I did\neverything for her, anything I could to make her feel like she wanted to be. All\nher relatives were in Philadelphia. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd say mama you want to go to Philadelphia?\nShe said, oh boy, yes. I'd take her for a ride. I really did. She had a terribly\nnice life after her children got raised.\n\nSCHAAF: She must have been very pleased with you all.\n\nBROOKS: She was. And I regret nothing. I wish I had gone on to school when I\nfirst came out. Maybe I would have done something bigger.\n\nSCHAAF: Well, you've done very, very well. You have such a wonderful reputation.\n\nBROOKS: Is that so?\n\nSCHAAF: Well, you must know that.\n\nBROOKS: Well, they were very nice the other night.\n\nSCHAAF: Well, how many students, how many music students have you set on the\nroad? Could you count them if you used everybody's hands in Martin's West the\nother night?\n\nBROOKS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And where did I go the other day? A lady met me and she said, \"Hi, Mrs.\nBrooks!\" And I said hello. \"Don't you remember me?\" No. \"My name is Mignon\nMoses. You taught me piano.\" She works for the state doing something. I don't\nknow -- a lot of people, a lot of people.\n\nSCHAAF: you gave those children something they could keep for the rest of their lives.\n\nBROOKS: Thank you. I really did. And I gained something that I will take with me\nto the grave. I loved the children and I loved the work. And I remember when I\nopened this bible school. There was this little girl. She wanted to play so bad.\nAnd I said, now I'm retired. I can't take my money and do this. I went and\nbought her a keyboard and a book so she could play a little bit. She plays.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's right!\n\nI told my daughter, I'll take this keyboard down there, and I guess they will\ntake it and pawn it.\n\nSCHAAF: It doesn't sound like they did.\n\nBROOKS: No, they didn't.\n\nSCHAAF: Well, let's see. Your paths must have crossed. Did you ever know Mrs.\nAdah Jenkins?\n\nBROOKS: Adah.\n\nSCHAAF: She wrote for the Afro-American and taught piano.\n\nBROOKS: The name sounds so familiar to me.\n\nSCHAAF: She was one of the organizers of the protests against Ford's and the\nLyric, and campaigned to open the doors of the Lyric. She was one of the people\nwho was responsible for getting Marian Anderson on stage at the Lyric Theatre.\n\nBROOKS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I believe that. I believe that. But that was before me. Marian Anderson.\n\nSCHAAF: That was the late '40s, early '50s.\n\nBROOKS: There for a period of time, '35, I was sick two or three years. Deathly\nsick. I told a girl the other day. I said, I don't know, God don't want me and\nthe devil won't have me because I've been given up so many times. In '86 I had\ncancer. You know, so many things over the years. And there one time I was sick\nthree or four years.\n\nSCHAAF: Well, it certainly doesn't show.\n\nBROOKS: Well, I think God is good to me, really. Yes, and I was ninety years old Wednesday.\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Have you seen the schools change in Baltimore?\n\nBooks: The schools? Well, musically you mean.\n\nSCHAAF: Yes.\n\nBROOKS: When I taught, we used to teach about music from all classes, ancient on\nup, and we used to teach the music of the people, Russian music and things like\nthat. I understand they don't do that. I understand they don't do that now. And\nthe choirs, we would have. The principals would set aside a certain time for you\nto have this choral activity in your school. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But now they're getting the type of\nprincipals who don't have those kinds of backgrounds. It depends on the schools\nand the principal.\n\nSCHAAF: I think it depends on the schools. And the teachers.\n\nBROOKS: And the principal, I think the principal. Now my grandson is principal\nover here. I told him, Carl if you really want that school to grow and you want\nthose children to really want to come to school, get yourself a good music\nteacher and get a good band teacher, and work through them with your PTA, and\nyou'll have no trouble.\n\nWhen I was getting ready to come out of School no. 181 one time, a student came\nto me and said \"Miss Marsh (I wasn't Brooks then), you've always been good to\nus, I'm going to tell you something.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She said, \"Don't go to the bathroom today\ndown the hall.\" Why? She said, \"Because they're going to set it on fire today,\"\nand she was telling me confidentially. And she said, \"I'm telling you because I\ndon't want you down there.\" Sure enough, I went there and it was all over the\nfloor. I went and told the principal, and of course they got it before it could\ncatch fire. But I never told. I never even mentioned to her again that she had\ntold me.\n\nI'm telling you, build up a rapport with the children and you wouldn't have all\nthese troubles. Then another little boy told me, he said, \"Mr. So-and-so\nupstairs, he's the one that holds the drugs for the children when they come to\nschool.\" And don't you believe that that does not go on--it does. You have to\nknow your faculty. I tell my grandson, you have to study them ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because they work\nwith children. I had a girl -- what's the name of the little man in charge of it\n-- used to get music blanks-- We used to get music blanks from Peabody to get\nchildren in summer school. He was a little short man and he was at Dunbar. They\nused to have evening classes at Dunbar -- I can't think of his name. There was a\ngirl in our building who worked with the Arena Players, and she was a very, very\nvivacious young woman. I had this choir. I had two hundred and some children in\nthe choir at Lake Clifton. And this boy, did I tell you about him -- William\nBailey. He came downstairs and asked me, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Miss Brooks,\" I was then, \"why can't\nwe go to Peabody this summer?\" They were all singers. They would meet me\nseven-thirty in the morning, and sing until quarter to nine when they went to\nclassroom. They would have to sign the attendance sheet so the teacher would\nknow they were there.\n\nYou know the teachers get jealous of each other with children. You know that.\nWell anyway, he came to me and said, \"why don't you get us [certificates to go\nto the Peabody].\" I said I don't know anything about it. He wanted the blanks to\ngo to summer classes at Peabody. I said, ask her to send me some. She sent word\nthat she wasn't going to do it. She was in charge of it in the building, and she\nwasn't going to do it. And she wouldn't give any of the choir members one. That\nwas because of me.\n\nSo I said, who's in charge? And she told me who the man was. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was in charge of\nthat evening thing at Dunbar. I said tell him I said to call me. He said,\n\"Lucille, why didn't you let me know you needed some of these certificates.\" He\nsent me six. I put six children in that summer school. William Bailey was one of\nthem and another little boy. He's teaching music now in the schools. He said,\n\"Miss is coming down here because she's mad at you.\" So I said thank you. So\nwhen she came, I started writing, she said. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"What do you mean going and getting\nthose things for yourself?\" I was in charge of this. They should have come\nthrough me. She went out, bam, slammed the door. But I got those six children in\nthere. I never said another word. But they all turn out nice.\n\nBROOKS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I had some nice experiences. I sent them to Peabody. I sent Wilbur\nMiles. He's a good bass. They all went to summer school that summer. I don't\nremember all the children. I had a nice experience.\n\nSCHAAF: Well, what kind of advice do you give young musicians who are starting?\n\nBROOKS: Well, my grandchildren have done pretty good. One is a principal over\nhere. My daughter's downtown, and her brother is an accountant. He was an\naccountant with the Johnson Company that owns Giant. Has a good job. He needs it\nwith five children! Now what did you say about--\n\nSCHAAF: Well, I was going to ask you if today, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one of the children that you\nbrought up wanted a career in music, what advice would you give them?\n\nBROOKS: My advice would be to try to find the best teacher available. And to\npractice diligently. First of all, they have to have a love for music to really\nget down to it if that's what they want to do, and to expose themselves to as\nmany musical affairs as they could. But they have to work hard, work diligently.\nAnd they have to have a good work ethic to do what they want to do. And I think\nthey should explore music history. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I really do. And I think they ought to choose\nan instrument that they want, if they want one. My daughter can play all the\ninstruments. She used to teach them like that. When they gave them to me in\ncollege, I don't whether I was too old or I just wouldn't do it. [Laughter] I\ndidn't have enough wind to blow the horns.\n\nI did have a teacher tell me one time that I should write. Because, he said, you\nwrite beautifully. I didn't follow that. Sometimes I think of things I would\nlike to write about. But I think good practice and good teachers and exposing\nyourself to things musically has a lot to do with it. You can pick up and learn\nfrom other people, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"learn from great artists and learn from history, and you\nlearn by doing. I really believe that. I really do.\n\nYes, and keep God in front of you. I believe that. Of course, some people don't.\nSome of the best musicians are people with low morals. They have talent. They\ndo. I think it helps you.\n\nI think just exposing yourself to music and working hard -- it takes a lot.\nThat's what I think. And you've got to love it. If you really love it, you'll\nenjoy it. Don't you think so?\n\nSCHAAF: Right. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You've faced a lot of obstacles and a lot of impediments and\nyou've managed to have a wonderful career.\n\nBROOKS: Are you faculty at Peabody?\n\nSCHAAF: I'm the archivist at Peabody.\n\nBROOKS: Well, you had a lady down there [at Peabody], I didn't know what her\nname was. But I sent a student there when they first opened up. I went down\nthere, and she told me -- she was a little woman -- she was going to write to\nme. She wrote to me and I can't find that letter anywhere. She told me we liked\nthe students that you had sent and anybody you recommend we will accept. I\nthought that was the nicest thing. I really thought it was nice.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And also I took children to the School for the Arts. They have a voice teacher\ndown there that I taught. I can't think of her name. It used to be Dorsey.\n\nSCHAAF: Lauretta?\n\nBROOKS: Lauretta Dorsey Young. Ask her if she remembers Miss Marsh.\n\nSCHAAF: Well, I'm going to be talking to her because she was among that first\ngroup of African American students that came to Peabody and did extremely well.\n\nBROOKS: She went to Italy. I couldn't think of her name.\n\nBut I haven't been around so much lately. I just stopped driving a little bit.\nI'd drive myself anywhere I'd want to go, but not as much ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"since I came here. I\nthink I should have stayed home sometimes. But they didn't want me in that house\nby myself, considering the way things are going nowadays.\n\nBut I walked out there one day and I said I'm not coming back. I told my\ngrandson you want to work on your doctorate and you've got two little girls, and\nyour wife wants to work on her doctorate. Go live in my house. You don't have to\npay rent. Take that money and get their doctorate.\n\nSCHAAF: So where were you living?\n\nBROOKS: I lived in Ashburton, on Dennison Road. Right down from [former\nBaltimore Mayor] Kurt Schmoke. He lived on Sequoia and I lived right down there.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So he's over there now. His wife and two little girls. She teaches school. She's\na very smart girl. I told her the other day you ought to go get your doctorate.\nShe should. She's smart.\n\nSCHAAF: You know, one of the things that interested me is that there's such a\ndivide in the musical community. I had a wonderful interview with a lovely man\nnamed Roy McCoy who played trumpet and toured with Lionel Hampton back in the\n'40s. He practically grew up on Pennsylvania Avenue and he played the clubs\nbefore he was old enough.\n\nBROOKS: I'm sorry my sister isn't here because she could tell you. She knew all\nof them. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lester, that's what was it, Lester Young. Yes. She traveled with them\none time.\n\nSCHAAF: He crossed the divide. There is a sweet lady named Mrs. Owings who has\nbeen involved in music. She sang with Morris Queen Perrell for many, many years,\nshe and her husband. And she wasn't allowed to go to the clubs on Pennsylvania\nAvenue. She might have gone to the Royal once or twice.\n\nBROOKS: I know Morris Queen very well.\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When did you, how did you meet Mr. Queen?\n\nBROOKS: I met him through my daughter. I think he's younger than I am.\n\nSCHAAF: He just retired this year.\n\nBROOKS: I know his wife very well, but I think I knew him more through Lucille.\nWe know each other, and we talk a lot about music. I sing several hymns and\nthings he's written.\n\nSCHAAF: Well, I think you need to start getting out your manuscript book and\ndoing some writing.\n\nBROOKS: You think so? I've had some nice experiences. I went to the World's\nFair, and they had this big organ, and they had me play it that day. I went to\nthe War Memorial Building one night, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=1680.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and of course I was Black, I couldn't play,\nbut I went with a caterer because they paid two dollars a night, and that was a\nlot of money then. They didn't have me wait that night. I played all night long.\nThey paid me. It was nice. I've had some nice experiences.\n\nWe went to England. We went out for lunch one day, and they were sitting around\nthere playing. And I got on the piano, we played, and the people sang. Oh, we\nhad a ball in England, on our way to Africa. Nice experiences. I've had some\nnice experiences. Really nice experiences.\n\nBut I said the other day maybe I should have written some of them down. I\nremember when I retired, they didn't have tape recorders like they have now.\nThey had those little things, you know. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=1740.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I played one morning and heard the\nchildren sing, and I cried all day because I never dreamed they were that good.\nEverybody said they were good. Most of the football team at Carver were basses\nin my choir. I worked with Charlie Robinson and Zoey White who were in the gym.\nThey were physical education teachers and football teachers. I worked with them\nto get the boys. You know what I mean? And most of the football players were\nbasses. I had one little boy who didn't like me much because I was very strict\non them. He said, here comes truck driver. That little boy said, \"Man, but she's\nso fair. She's so fair. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=1800.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377/transcript/38404/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean that, man, she's a very fair woman.\"\n\nSCHAAF: That's quite a compliment.\n\nBROOKS: It was. It was. And I would come in school sometimes, if I'd be a little\nlate in the morning, they'd get there at seven-thirty. And their parents, I\nworked so hard with them. The parents would know me at home. I would go down the\nhall this man with the guitar would sing, Lucille, Lucille, Lucille. Well,\nthat's what they would sing when I went. [Laughter]\n\nHad nice experiences, a nice life. It's a beautiful life working with young\npeople, isn't it? Yes, I wouldn't change it for nothing. I would be what I was\nall over again.\n\nEND OF SESSION","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44112/file/117377#t=1860.0,1920.0"}]}]}]}