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Interview of Henderson by an unnamed student interviewer. (Abstract)"," Low audio levels on source media. (Physical Description)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":[" 2002-04-07 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":[" Henderson, Clarence E., 1921-2011 (Interviewee)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":[" English (Primary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["audio/mp3"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins University"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["The collection is open for use. Contact peabodyarchives@lists.jhu.edu for more information."]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://aspace.library.jhu.edu/repositories/4/archival_objects/215362"]}}],"summary":{"en":[" Clarence Henderson graduated from Dunbar High School in 1940. His early music studies with Pauline Wharton and Georgeanna Chester. He attended Wilberforce University on a scholarship and Columbia University, where he received his master's degree. He served in the U.S. Army during World War II and performed in Europe on a State Department sponsored tour. Henderson retired as minister of music at Madison Avenue Presbyterian Church in 1982 after 26 years of service and Bethel AME in 1992 after ten years of service. Interview of Henderson by an unnamed student interviewer."," Low audio levels on source media."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["The collection is open for use. 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Hello. Testing. Okay. Excellent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=8.22,13.68"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=15.12,15.157"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Should be working. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=15.42,16.71"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e About how long will this take?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=22.71,23.79"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e This should only take -- Well, you have to go at five, right? So I think maybe until then or --.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=24.27,31.126"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e You think I'm going to talk till five o'clock?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=31.949,32.94"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what, until you're tired. Whenever you think. I wouldn't think that we should do it for more than a half hour or forty-five minutes, but whenever you feel like it's too much, you're ready to go --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=34.02,45.821"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I hope I have enough information to give you because this is not the information that I thought I was going to give you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=46.23,51.51"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, well, what kind of information -- ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=52.11,54.171"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I thought you were going to give -- I talked to a person who works with the lady down there, Audrey McCallum. And they said they thought that somebody wanted to ask me about my experiences.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=54.929,67.85"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that's very true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=68.9,70.13"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, not what went on in Baltimore because there were a million times I was out of Baltimore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=71.39,74.93"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e That's fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=75.63,75.83"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e So that's the reason I bought these books out. I thought I was going to talk and show you this --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=76.79,81.738"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I think it's good --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=82.03,83.15"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e -- show you that. So I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=83.188,85.25"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e That's fine. That's really good. Well, just to start though, just for the tape -- could I have your full name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=86.0,92.48"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Clarence Edward Henderson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=93.33,94.31"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, and where and when were you born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=95.38,98.09"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Where was I born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=99.2,99.59"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=100.599,100.599"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Here in Baltimore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=100.718,100.73"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e And when was this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=102.53,103.2"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e When was I born? April 7th, 1921.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=103.94,106.07"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. So, how did you -- well, first of all, where in Baltimore were you born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=107.36,115.39"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, I think I know that. I think I've read about [unclear] Johns Hopkins Hospital. Two p.m. in the afternoon and called \"baby boy\" Henderson. Didn't have a name. Instead of Clarence. Somebody later on called me Clarence after an uncle. Johns Hopkins.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=116.31,135.97"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e That's really funny.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=137.27,137.75"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I've got something that -- Can you turn it off for just a bit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=140.352,143.06"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=143.36,143.36"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Because when you asked that question, I thought about something that is --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=144.26,148.16"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e But we can talk about that, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=152.41,153.43"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e This was prepared in tribute to me. \"Prepared in tribute to Clarence Edward Henderson, presented on October 21st, 1994.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=154.1,174.54"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e That's really cool. So who gave this to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=180.91,194.573"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Sam Beasley [phonetic], who is a tremendous artist. It was given me the night that I was honored at the forum, October 21st. This information is over here. That's why I brought this out here. I was honored one night at the forum by over two hundred people. And that was given to me that night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=195.79,222.56"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e This is very pretty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=225.29,225.74"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e It's beautiful -- [unclear]. He is a tremendous poet, artist. He can just about do it all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=227.14,235.97"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e How long have you known him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=237.38,238.16"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Ever since high school days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=239.81,240.83"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Where did you go to high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=245.27,246.05"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Dunbar. There was only one place to go. Dunbar High School. You know about Dunbar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=246.44,250.434"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e I've heard of it. I don't really know -- [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=251.12,253.01"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you've probably heard about Dunbar for athletics. They were once athletic people. Oh, are we on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=257.6,265.83"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=265.832,270.09"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And Dunbar is a school that I graduated from in the very first class. I graduated in 1940, and that was Dunbar's first graduation class -- June 1940. I think the book is upstairs. But I was in the very first class that they had there. That was just a tremendous school at the time. Tremendous musical school. And some of the people -- Is this book? I don't know. Yeah, this is 1940. I want to show you the lady who got me started in music. And that was Ms. Pauline Wharton. [She] was just a tremendous musician, and all of her children also taught at Dunbar. Hermione Wharton, Pauline [sic]. And her sister was a music teacher, was the only Black music teacher really in town. And here's where I started from. Hermione Reckling. Well, that's the choir. \"First Senior High School Choir.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=270.48,368.98"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. First class?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=375.3,375.66"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e That's the very first senior high school class, the first.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=376.35,379.65"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e What was it like to be the first class in the school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=381.29,384.95"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e It was just tremendous. We had only fifty-two people in the class at that particular time. I haven't brought this book out in such a long time. And I wrote the class history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=385.37,398.69"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=400.2,400.2"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I wrote the history at that particular time. You don't see that, but it's in here somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=400.77,405.96"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you mean by the class history?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=406.41,407.68"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e The history of the class from the time we came here to Dunbar in the seventh grade until we graduated. There's Dunbar at that particular time. Dunbar Senior High School. And I was trying to show you a picture of Ms. Wharton. Oh, there's Ms. Wharton. Just a tremendous music teacher. All of her daughters were also on the faculty over there. And her sister, Hermione Reckling, studied with Madam [Ernestine] Schumann-Heink. I don't know whether you know her, but being a musician -- all musicians should know Madam Schumann-Heink. She was worldwide. She was German. I studied -- [unclear]. And this is [unclear] Davis [phonetic] and he was the first Black in Theodore Roosevelt's class at Harvard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=407.94,482.4"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=483.09,483.09"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e He was the first Black. Just tremendous faculty. I mean a tremendous faculty. I don't know whether we have -- There's one of the other [Wharton] children. Hermione Wharton.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=485.04,503.68"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Was she a music teacher too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=505.99,507.13"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but she was just a tremendous English teacher. And when I say tremendous talking about these teachers, I mean, they were tremendous. What we were learning is things in the twelfth grade that college people were learning as sophomores at that particular time. They were teaching us -- we learned all about Shakespeare. We had to recite his odes, everything Shakespeare wrote. It was of importance -- we had to learn it and recite in class. We stood around the classroom. [She would] point out, \"Clarence, Shakespeare,\" and she'd tell me which part of Shakespeare she wanted me to recite. And I had to learn those particular odes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=508.18,561.26"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e They are the kinds of people that we had who were in that faculty. Nowhere in town do we have a faculty except Dunbar -- except [Frederick] Douglass [High School], people will say. As we had at Dunbar. Nowhere else in town. I was trying to find the \"Ode to Dunbar.\" Oh, here it is -- right here. \"Ode to Dunbar\" was written by me and my friend. Read that. That's what we wrote in twelfth grade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=562.25,598.61"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. You guys knew how to write.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=603.96,607.37"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e You know who taught us? Ms. Wharton's daughter, the one I pointed out. She's the one who taught us how to write that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=608.6,617.18"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e So it says here she retired?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=620.05,621.46"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e She retired in 1939. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=622.63,625.89"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e So that is while you're at the school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=628.36,629.5"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. One year before we graduated. So this is the kind of stuff that I come from, all the kinds of people that I come from. [unclear] Any other questions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=630.19,649.08"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e So that's when you first got interested in music?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=649.83,652.08"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e No. See, these are the kind of questions I thought you were going to ask. I think I'm prepared for this. In fact, this morning, my son was upstairs and he wanted to know what you were going to ask. I said, I really don't know. My son was at Peabody [Institute] at one time. And I was at Peabody. I'm going to tell you about that. Because this is interesting. And I've always sung, I've always been in music. And I began to play the piano when I was in the fourth grade at my church -- First Faith Baptist Church [phonetic]. And I was in a quartet when I was about eleven. Had a bunch of guys who were in a quartet. I sang bass, and I was about this particular high [gestures]. And I was so small that when I sang bass, they always brought a box out for me to stand up on. And I sang bass. And then after singing bass, I went down and played piano for the fellows.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=653.769,723.16"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e And I remember the first professional job that I got, if you want to call it a professional job, I made $1.28. And what happened that particular night, there was a quartet festival at my church, Faith Baptist Church, and another church up the hill. What we had to do was to run up the hill and run back to Faith, sing up there, run back up. And little boys -- we ran because it was fun. We ran up the hill and ran back. At the end of the night and the night was over, about eleven-thirty -- started about eight o'clock -- then we got our first pay and that was $1.28. That was our first day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=724.84,769.45"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, when I got to Dunbar -- we called it Dunbar. Bond Street School. The first time I was before other people was in the fourth grade, I told my son this this morning, and I sang for the assembly. And they transferred us from that particular school over to junior high school, Dunbar. And the very first thing that I sang from the stage, Ms. Wharton heard me -- the one I pointed out -- she heard me sing, and she taught me to sing \"My Task.\" And I always think that that was my role in life. \"To love someone more dearly every day.\" You ever hear it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=770.59,822.35"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Actually, I haven't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=823.25,823.64"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e You should hear that. \"To love someone more dearly every day. To help a wandering child to find his way. To ponder o'er a noble song [sic] and pray and smile when evening falls, and smile when evening falls. This is my task.\" And then there are two other verses inside, I won't go and get those verses now because a friend of mine called me about this about three months ago because they think that I remember all the song that we sang. She asked me, \"Do you remember the words to 'My Task'?\" And I had to think, so I wrote them down. I've got them there. After I found [them], I thought about them. I called her back and when I called her back, I read them to her and I put it down in case I should forget it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=824.67,880.88"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e So, I sang \"My Task\" before the assembly. And then from that, I sang two or three other things. There was a song called \"Give a Man a Horse He Can Ride.\" \"Give a man a boat he can sail.\" I can't remember all of the words. I could if I stop and think about them. But I began to sing that. And then they began to have at Dunbar -- And they don't have them anymore, and we were talking about this with my graduating class. We still meet, the class of 1940. We had a meeting about six months ago. And we still talk about the fact that they stopped many years of having operettas. You never heard of an operetta? All high schools had operettas, all high schools had operettas. You ever hear of The Mikado?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=881.75,951.58"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=952.78,952.78"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, where have you been? [Unclear]. Yeah. Gilbert and Sullivan. They wrote The Mikado.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=954.55,962.8"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I have heard of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=963.58,964.66"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, you're bound to have heard of The Mikado. We did that in high school. I'm talking about way back in the late 1930s, that is. And each year we did an operetta. A different operetta. And I always had the leading role in the operetta. And we did \"Give a Man a Horse He Can Ride.\" \"How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?\" You know that? [Laughter] That is something I would answer in a hurry. \"If I only understood -- now, someone tell me if you can.\" And what comes after that? \"Now someone tell me if you can, how high is up? How low is --\" something, \"and how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck --\" [Laughter] Those are the kinds of things that we were doing in high school. And we were doing them on weekends at the school, Friday and Saturday. And we rehearsed them through Ms. Wharton, her daughter -- I had another picture of a Goff McDaniels [phonetic], who was from Massachusetts. Just a tremendous history teacher. He taught history as though he was a tremendous thespian. That's the way he taught it. So this is the kind of instrument [unclear] that we had. Now the night that I finished -- oh, but I'm talking about me. You've got some other questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=965.14,1086.3"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e No, this is great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1086.709,1088.01"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, okay. And that particular night that I graduated -- I have other pictures here. The children who were in the eleventh and tenth grade came to me and got autographs. That particular night. They really did. I was leaving the school. And the school at that time was getting ready to send me to Major Bowes. Ever heard of Major Bowes? Amateur Hour [radio program]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1088.5,1119.989"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1121.26,1121.26"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, well, Major Bowes was like Arthur Godfrey. Ever hear of Arthur Godfrey? He was before Arthur Godfrey, like Arthur Godfrey, and he had an Amateur Hour all across the country. And the school was going to send me to his Amateur Hour. I think I was in twelfth grade, but I was graduated before we got to come on. So I didn't get to go there. Now the point is -- Poor man, no, let me go back again because I said I was going to tell you something interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1122.16,1160.04"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e When I was at -- let's see, Ms. Wharton left when I was in the eleventh grade. [Georgeanna] Chester came to school for Ms. Wharton's role as our teacher. She came when I was in twelfth grade. I was trying to find a picture. Oh, here she is, just a tremendous teacher. Georgeanna Chester. And Black people would know her name if you would say it. She was just that tremendous. What she did, she wrote Peabody. I was in twelfth grade, because she came when I was in twelfth grade. And she wanted Peabody to hear me sing for a scholarship. And they sent me down to Peabody. I sang for them at Peabody, they asked me some musical questions, and I answered them. And then they wanted to come to my house to meet my parents. They came and met my grandmother, who was raising me, but they didn't let me in because I was Black. That was Peabody at that particular time. And that was because of Georgeanna Chester. And I was better than any singer that they had -- believe that -- at that particular time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1161.48,1250.54"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, I sometimes give my son down in the country [unclear], because my son is a tremendous musician. I sent him to New England Conservatory. And he was sent to Peabody in the senior high school. And lo and behold, one day I asked him, \"How is Peabody going? How're you doing at Peabody?\" And then he had the nerve to tell me that he left Peabody because they couldn't teach him anything. That's my son.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1251.77,1289.386"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1289.89,1289.89"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And I said, \"Do you know I couldn't even get in there? They wouldn't let me in, and you left because of that.\" That shows the difference there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1290.43,1299.52"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, really different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1302.7,1302.82"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Interesting story. Now when I left Dunbar, I didn't know where I was going. I had no money. I mean, really no money at all. And so a friend of mine, and I don't have a picture here, came to me and said, \"Where are you going for college?\" I really hadn't thought about college as such. \"I really don't know.\" So she said, \"Out in Wilberforce\" -- Wilberforce is in Ohio. In Xenia, Ohio. She said, \"They have a group out there that's called the Wilberforce Singers, and they're all on scholarship, there are only twelve of them. And they give them a scholarship for raising money for the school. So why don't you try for that?\" I said, \"Well, I don't know anything about that.\" So she came to my house to talk to my grandmother, \"Miss, won't you let Clarence come to Peabody [sic]?\" And my grandmother said, \"What's Peabody [sic]?\" She told her what it was or what they did out there. \"Tremendous singers. [Unclear] Tremendous singers. I mean, just tremendous.\" And so I said, \"I think maybe I'll write out there.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1304.14,1383.39"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e So I wrote to Wilberforce. And they wrote me back a letter to ask me if I had money to take care of myself after the first quarter, and I wrote them back and they guffawed when I wrote them back. I said, \"I do not have enough money to take care of myself during the first week.\" And they guffawed when I wrote that. And they said, \"Well, we've got to have this fellow. He can come on out.\" And that's how I got out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1384.57,1420.12"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e When I got out there, I washed dishes, I waited tables to take care of myself for a while. I said, \"When they hear me sing\" -- And I was saying this about myself. I wasn't feeling so great about myself, it was just a fact. I said, \"I think when you hear me sing, you will give me a scholarship.\" And lo and behold, on Thanksgiving Day dinner, I remember I was waiting on a table, and somebody had heard me sing \"Roses of Picardy.\" You ever hear that? I sang that in the auditorium as a freshman after my first month there. And the first month I was sitting in the balcony, I remember, and I came down the stairs, went up on stage, I sang \"Roses of Picardy.\" And when I was through, the place just went up, and I went upstairs, went all the way through the door, went up the back stairs, and when I came to the balcony, they were still applauding. And I had to come down again. I had to go up there and sing again. Well, then, again, when the president heard me sing, he asked me, \"Are you on scholarship?\" I said \"No.\" And he called the head of the department, saying, \"Put him on a scholarship.\" That's how I stayed on scholarship at Wilberforce.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1420.36,1509.309"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e And while I was there, I was studying with a fellow named Herman Heiland [phonetic]. He was a fellow who had just come to the United States in 1939 from Germany. He was a German Jew. And he was with the German Oper Company, they called it. And somehow, he got out of Germany. Sneaked out in some kind of way and came to America. I mean, just a typical German. The wide head [unclear]. Couldn't smoke without his hands shifting the whole time because of the fact that he was still afraid of what happened in Germany. He couldn't talk. Stuttered. And he heard me sing. And he was also teaching at the University of Dayton, Ohio. And I was a freshman, and he took me over there sometimes to sing for his class. And while over there, they had arranged for me during my sophomore year to sing with the Dayton Philharmonic Orchestra. We did \"Abendstern.\" And I can speak pretty good German, because he was German. And so I was able to speak the German. And I was just singing that with the Dayton Philharmonic Orchestra. When I came back after the holidays, Uncle Sam took me. When was that, November? Drafted me in the service.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1512.1,1622.75"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e And I had to get out of school. And so I wasn't able to do that at that particular time. But at the same time, between sophomore and freshman [year], a fellow -- Where is he? I'd like to show you his picture. He probably had heard about me from Dayton, Ohio. He had a professional group, and he came to Wilberforce to hear me sing. And when he heard me sing he asked me if I would want to sing with them this summer. And I wanted to show you -- I've got to look through there again. This is a picture of Lee Aaron [unclear], who was a great singer at that particular time, a great Black singer, just when I was at Wilberforce. And she's pointing to me because somebody had told her about me there and when I came to her, she said, \"What is your name?\" She said, \"Oh, you're Clarence Henderson.\" That's what she's saying there. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1622.774,1705.595"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e That's really cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1709.0,1709.54"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e [Laughs] So I sang that particular summer with Paul Robeson [unclear]. I got $150 for the whole summer. For June, July and August. I've got the telegram here right now. I wrote my grandmother asking if I could sing. Now, when I came from -- I just happened to come across this. I did a program at Morgan [State College] Christian Center when I finished Columbia [University].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1713.89,1744.423"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh. Show you how I was singing. Here I am as a very young boy, before high school in a concert. First tuxedo I ever had in my life. I was about 18 at that particular time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1759.89,1782.81"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Front page?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1783.44,1783.77"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. That was my first big-time concert as a teenager.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1784.89,1792.09"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e So how often did you sing at the Faith Baptist Church?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1797.58,1799.89"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e All my life. My uncle was a pastor over there and my family still go there. I'm still a member. My family's still a member there. There all my life. I was given a lot of -- I was always pushed. I was trying to think of another word. They'd always want me to sing, play the piano or play for a choir or whatever that I could do, and that's the kind of thing that I learned at Faith Baptist Church in the music area -- that this is what I should do. That's how I got into music really. My aunt's a singer, my uncle was a singer, and my grandfather was a minister. And so we were always doing something in church. So the church is a big thing in my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1800.64,1861.42"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e This is Paul Robeson. Singer. He sang, the one I told you that came to Wilberforce and heard me sing and hired me to sing with him that particular summer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1862.86,1880.4"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e So how long were you in the army?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1894.14,1898.55"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e About two and a half years, fully -- I was a sergeant in the army. Let me show you something here. Well, we can't take this off. I'll show you afterwards as we go out. This \"Mississippi Legend,\" I did this in New York, off-Broadway, with John [Jacques] Wolfe. And this is my professional picture. I still have this here. [Unclear] I don't know if I'm doing the right thing or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1899.95,1938.001"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e [Laughs] It's fine. So you were in the army for two and a half years, and then you came back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1938.099,1950.57"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I was in the army for two and a half years. And here's something that is interesting. I'll try to point out something because the group is on the wall there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1951.53,1961.61"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Could you show me afterwards?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1962.329,1962.348"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I'll show you afterwards. When I was in the service, they heard me sing. And they wanted me to sing with the service company group. And during a particular time there, which was in May of 1945 -- When was the war, well, V-E [Victory in Europe] Day? Was that '45? Yeah, '45. There were about seven or eight of us. They called for us to come to Paris and make recordings. And these recordings were going to the Pacific war. And we went to Paris and played in Rainbow Corner. Everybody knew about Rainbow Corner in Europe, because everybody, when they came to Paris, had to go to Rainbow Corner. It was a big Red Cross kind of thing. And we went over to Rainbow Corner and the guys stayed out a little too much that night and we were to make the recording the next morning for the United States. And when we got there, they had us sing a recording that was made just for V-E Day. But the point is that when we got to Paris, they told us, \"You fellows are lucky.\" We said, \"What do you mean 'lucky'?\" He said, \"Because this afternoon the end of the war will be announced.\" I said, \"Is that so?\" \"Yes, it will be announced.\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=1964.45,2074.949"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e So we were lucky enough to be in Paris that particular day. And so they hired us to sing some things in this big theater in Paris. And the guys sounded terrible. Because they'd been out the previous night and they'd been drinking. And so they didn't sound like anything, and they had written a song for V-E Day. It's called -- \"Who blew Hitler's blitz to bits? Eisenhower, Eisenhower. Who let the foes of freedom know what vengeance is like. Who made the Hun lay down his gun and run for the Reich? General Ike. The man of the hour -- \" There's some stuff in between -- \"Eisenhower.\" So the guys try to -- We had learned that, and the guys could not sing it and this was written just for V-E Day. You see, they knew it was going to be V-E Day. So this was written for us to sing this song. So the guy who was -- I forget his name -- who was sitting in the back doing what you're doing -- making recordings and everything -- he said to me, \"Sergeant,\" -- I was a Sergeant -- \"Sergeant Henderson.\" He said, \"I tell you what, would you sing that for me, please?\" And so I sang it. And he said, \"That's what I want. That's what I want.\" And I sang that song, and of course, the loudspeakers in Paris at six o'clock that night coming out with me singing that particular number. \"The man of the hour, Eisenhower.\" That's a good story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2075.699,2192.78"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e That's a great story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2193.26,2193.83"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e That's a good story, and I have been trying to find that record. I had a friend who was a colonel. I was asking him -- well, he's dead now -- I said, \"Where can I find out what happened? Can I find out what happened that particular night? I'd like to get that recording.\" And before I could get the information, he died. And I'm still trying to find out if somebody could find that recording, that tape coming from all the corners in Paris, so I could hear it, you know? But that I said before, I thought that that was a good story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2195.0,2238.61"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, when I came home from the service -- I came home in February 1946 -- and I was going back to school as all guys were doing at that time. When they came out of the service, most guys went back to school in September 1946. They went back to college. Well, I did the same thing. But before I went back to Wilberforce, because this was where I was going -- Professor [Howard L.] Cornish was a great professor at Morgan State College. Just a tremendous -- He was a recitalist. He used to go around the country, reciting and doing poems at various places. And he came to me one day and asked me if I had thought about coming to Morgan. I said \"No, I thought about going back to Wilberforce.\" So he promised me a scholarship if I would go to Morgan. And what I would do is go with him around the country, he'd do his recitation, halftime I would sing. That's what it was going to be like. Then he'd come back and finish up. So I went back to Wilberforce. And when I went back to Wilberforce, I finished -- My greatest friend, Leontyne Price. Leontyne became one of the great singers of America. You know Leontyne. Don't tell me you don't know Leontyne. You can't tell me that. She was one of our greatest singers, she retired just about five years ago. Sang at the Met [Opera]. Sang all over the world and that was -- I have a picture of Leontyne out there. I've got recordings by her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2241.1,2365.817"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2367.21,2367.41"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Leontyne Price. I'm sure they will know her at Peabody. And when I finished at Wilberforce, I came back here [Baltimore] for a while. And I went to Columbia for a master's. I got my master's at Columbia. And while at Columbia, I studied with [unclear] from Yale and Columbia. And while I was there, I studied with him. And then when I came out of school, what I did was, I was called by four people who I did not know. Outstanding people. One was Hall Johnson. The greatest -- you ever heard of him, Hall Johnson?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2367.7,2430.918"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e I think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2430.918,2430.918"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. This is one of the greatest choral men in the country, Hall Johnson. I'll show you his picture. And he wanted someone to go with him. They were having the first NATO Festival in the world at that particular time, all the countries in NATO were doing a festival at Berlin -- I've got some things here I will look for now. But the State Department -- it was sent by the State Department from all the countries that were in NATO. And from the United States they sent us home. And what was great at that time was \"Oklahoma!\" They sent she [unclear] and her group. They sent Hall Johnson and his group. Pictures on the wall, where we were. They sent Judith Anderson. At that particular time, one of our greatest actors. \"Medea\" was great in the country at that particular time. They sent the Juilliard String Quartet from Juilliard [School], New York. Who else did they send? Some other people in there, from Paris. Oh, from Juilliard, they sent the string quartet. They sent their best quartet from Paris. They sent the Old Vic [Theatre] from London. I remember that. Who else did they send? Everybody who was in NATO sent someone for the festival, which lasted for a whole week. And that was just a tremendous experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2430.918,2535.42"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e John Raitt was there, everybody -- And I remember right now we were in [John J.] McCloy's place at night in Berlin. And we were all standing around the table talking to one another because of the fact that we were all there, we'd all been to each other's concerts. And it was just a tremendous -- I can't explain that experience. And they wanted us to stay in Germany. In fact, some people did stay in Germany and became outstanding singers. Louise Parker stayed in Germany, in Europe, and studied. Bob [Robert] McFerrin, who was the first Black singer at the Metropolitan, stayed in Germany. I've got a picture of him here. And Walker [phonetic] stayed in Paris. No, in Germany. And again, when I talk about singers, I'm talking about tremendous singers. He stayed there a while. I don't know what happened to Watkins. I don't know what happened to him. But many of them stayed there. And then when we came home, they wanted us -- Well, before we left Germany, we played for about 20,000 people at the Palace [unclear] in Berlin. They wanted us to go other places, but they didn't want to pay our money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2538.18,2635.32"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e You see, we didn't just -- The State Department paid us for going. Everybody was paid for going over there. And when we came back, I came back to Baltimore, I was in New York to see my grandfather, the rest of my family. And the phone rang one morning, I told my son this morning -- one morning about four o'clock, I was in bed, heard the phone rang, came downstairs and someone on the phone with a very cultured voice, asked, \"Is this Clarence Henderson?\" And I said, \"Yes.\" He said, \"I'm Leonard de Paur.\" This group took precedence over the -- What was that group's name in Russia? [unclear] Russian -- Oh, what was the name of that group there that was the greatest in the world? I can't think of the name of that. Anyhow, it took precedence over these -- this particular group for years and years, and I went back and I auditioned for him and I was able to stay with him for five years. And then when I came back home, I decided to go back to my voice. And Bob [Robert] Shaw, who was the greatest -- they say, the greatest choral man in the country, Bob Shaw. People at Peabody know about Bob Shaw. Calling me to audition for him, but I didn't go. And then, when I came back here, I came back to Baltimore because my son's mother died in childbirth. That's why I came back here. So when I came back here, I got a letter from -- what's her name? Again, an outstanding choral person. I can't think of her name now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2635.62,2768.185"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e And that's what I've done. And then I got involved in the church. I believe the Lord called me for church. I did this singing, I did this directing choirs. I was at Madison Presbyterian Church for twenty-six years as minister of music over there. I retired at eighty-two. Then I went to Bethel AME Church and I was there for ten years. And I retired ten years after that. And my son is now over at Madison, where I was for twenty-six years as minister of music. That's what he's doing now. Plus, he has a jazz band with him. They are very, very good. I have a group now that's called the Olton Singers. This will be our eighteenth year and we do all kinds of work. Where is this? You have to see this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2769.01,2859.047"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I sang from Germany, while I was overseas. Here's a telegram that they sent to my grandmother. I was just a youngster --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2859.05,2885.587"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. \"Airing on the BBC program 'American Eagle in Britain.'\" In Britain?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2908.75,2913.091"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Britain. Great Britain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2913.82,2914.87"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e What was that like on that program?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2923.2,2923.98"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, it was just tremendous. I thought that it was one of the greatest things that I could do and I remember when I came home, they thought I was living with my grandmother, my grandparents. My grandmother took this telegram and went outside the door and ran up the entire block, waving it. \"Clarence is singing in -- \" [Laughs] \"Clarence is singing on BBC -- \" She waved that, she was so happy about it. That was just tremendous. So I have [unclear] talking about my choir. When I was at Madison, the Lord blessed us with a tremendous choir. I really want to show you some of these telegrams --.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2926.05,2988.316"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426/transcript/32818/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END PART 1]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117426#t=2988.316,2988.316"}]}]},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - pims0091_HendersonC_02.mp3"]},"duration":680.04571,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/public/images/audio-default.png","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-peabody.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/117/427/original/pims0091_HendersonC_02.mp3?1624270860","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":680.04571,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["AUTO_TRINT_pims0091_HendersonC_02.mp3 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e You don't have to read it all, I just --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=8.0,9.26"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e It looks really --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=12.739,12.836"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll show it to you. [unclear]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=13.15,22.58"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e I'd love to just go through all this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=26.85,27.84"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Beautiful writing. That's what I like about each person. I've got other things in there from people in Earth [unclear] choir. I'll show it to you here. We've done all kinds of work. Anything that you can mention, our choirs have done. This is when we did Elijah [oratorio] over there, at Madison [Avenue Presbyterian Church].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=28.53,57.306"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e So how have you liked leading choirs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=68.7,69.824"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, here's Eva Jessye when I came back from New York. Eva Jessye is the one who did the choral work for the very first Porgy and Bess. Very first one that they had on Broadway. And she never met me, but she heard about me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=70.5,89.96"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e And that fellow over there, he was one of the great singers in the German opera company. I got that when I was in Germany and I said I was going to write him. And I never did. But he came backstage after he had heard us sing and he was -- he just couldn't keep still. He'd never heard that kind of singing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=90.008,111.11"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e It had quite an effect on people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=113.0,113.48"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the group -- Jessye -- was just tremendous. That's all I can say. Just tremendous group. And [Leonard] de Paur was just -- I can't explain it. Greatest experience that I've ever had. With the greatest musical people. I had never met musicians like that. And so I keep them and I remember them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=114.3,143.88"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Have you kept in touch with them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=153.06,154.14"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e No, Hall Johnson is dead. I did when I was in New York. Hall Johnson died about '82, and Leonard de Paur, I got something here -- Somebody sent me something about Leonard de Paur. He was at the Lincoln Center. He was in charge of the community work at the Lincoln Center. In other words, when they wanted to bring something to Lincoln Center in New York. Whenever they wanted to bring something into the Lincoln Center, they had to go through de Paur. He got sick. I think he had Parkinson's, which is the reason he had to give that group up. So he died, about -- I've got to see what all this business is, because people have been good to me, these things. He died. And somebody is writing a book on Leonard de Paur because they wrote me a letter, someone I don't know, about three years ago. [They] wanted to see what I thought about Leonard de Paur, somebody from Florida. I don't remember. I don't know where that is now. And they said somebody had given them my name. Somebody's always giving somebody my name [laughs]. And I don't know him. You know, I really don't know him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=156.597,246.41"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e And in there is just a tremendous amount of things. And I tried to show my son where everything is. One day I'm going to be gone, I know I am, and I'm just hoping that God will leave him around so he can get the things there -- I've got so much written there. Everybody's been trying to get me to write a book. They really want me to write a book on the training of church choirs because I went down to Mississippi, and I just saw it -- I'm not going to look for it. When I was at Madison Presbyterian, the choir there -- we had about twenty people. And the man who was a choral man at Jackson State College came to Madison one particular -- Oh, yes, I've got to show you this. This is when I was at Carver. That was my choir when I was at Carver. That's when I began to work on my PhD. I didn't finish it. But that would my choir at Carver, still created by all those people there [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=247.34,316.965"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, is this a letter from de Paur to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=334.05,336.45"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, that's when when I left de Paur.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=339.0,339.681"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Why did you leave?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=339.686,343.5"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Because I wanted to get back with my music, my singing, to studying. I wanted to study. I said, \"Well, I've done all that.\" I wanted to get back here and get on my voice again. I was working with downtown, off-Broadway, with Jacques Wolfe [unclear] on the wall out there, and he was an outstanding composer. So, I wanted to get back. And that's when Bob Shaw heard about me, down at Carnegie Hall, when I went down there [unclear]. I said, \"I don't want to go here. I'll see what I can do.\" But it didn't work out that way, because my wife died and I brought my son back from New York down to here -- we were living in New York, so I brought him here to be raised along with my people. And that's why I came back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=344.7,399.07"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I started on my PhD at one particular time. And they did a schedule for me when I was at Carver, so I would have time to leave Carver at a particular time and go to Catholic U . They made my schedule for me so I could leave each particular day and come back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=403.09,423.5"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e So, like I said, people have been just tremendously good to me. But one of the things that I love, I think the Lord wanted me to do, is to do the choral music. I really do. He's blessed me. My brother, my son, and I were talking about that this morning. I don't know of any other college or any other minister of music who is responsible for the music of hundredth anniversary churches. I've done three. I don't know anybody else who has three. I did one 200th anniversary of music -- I provided the music for Bethel AME Church. And I did that also at Madison Presbyterian Church, where I was for twenty-six years, and I did that at Faith Baptist Church, where I am now a member. I don't think anybody has ever done that, so I'm very -- I was able to get the choir together, praise the Lord, through this particular way. So when they heard my group from Mississippi, I didn't know the fellow who was there. He came and we did [Handel's] Messiah that particular Christmas. And I can show you what people have said about Messiah. I won't look for it now. People who were not musicians wrote articles, which appeared in the Afro [newspaper], about what they heard at Madison Presbyterian Church last Sunday. So I'll show it to you after a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=425.1,521.47"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e But we did that. And this fellow Johnson was there, and I didn't know he was there. He came back the next year. So he'd listened to our church choir now, is what I'm saying, and when he heard the next year, he came and introduced himself to me and told me who he was. And he was in charge of choral music at Jackson State College in Mississippi, and I went down there -- he invited me down there. And Sonya Garfinkle -- I don't know why I remember her name -- she was head of the chorus in the Philadelphia Orchestra. Sonya Garfinkle, Philadelphia. I didn't know who she was, but he invited the two of us to come to Mississippi to teach the people of Mississippi how to do choral work from what he heard my church choir do. And I'm proud of that. Because that usually doesn't happen. I'm proud of that. And I never wrote Sonya Garfinkle. She was the other one who was also teaching this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=521.83,590.68"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e And you know, I've never talked to anybody like this before, like I'm talking to you. And thank the Lord. That's all I can say. Thank the Lord. Things that you've done -- And that particular day, this fellow wrote this and I said, \"You wrote this?\" \"You should read it sometime.\" I said, \"Well, why did you think of writing that?\" He said, \"Well, I remember you during high school days, and I've been following you. And so I wanted to write that --\" You see how he writes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=594.7,630.21"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e Beautiful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=631.88,631.88"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e He's just tremendous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=632.95,633.42"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e That's really wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=637.679,637.95"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, you wanted to ask me some questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=639.16,641.65"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e No, you answered them all. [Laughter] [crosstalk] --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=642.25,645.532"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know whether -- I haven't answered [crosstalk] --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=645.442,649.836"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e No, you definitely have. That was really interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=649.836,649.836"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCLARENCE HENDERSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I hope that what I did was the kind of thing that you wanted to do, and I was going to show you that book. I don't ever look at it, I just know it's there. Really, I don't. But I need to look at it and see what the Lord has done for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=649.836,673.223"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427/transcript/32813/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eINTERVIEWER:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm going to shut these off, then. Good time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44138/file/117427#t=674.74,674.797"}]}]}]}