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It's been a good while. Richard Franko Goldman\nbrought me there when he became Director. He had been my composition teacher\nat the Juilliard School. He brought me there to start a recording and jazz\nprogram, which I did and I liked it. Instead of going back to my home in New\nYork, I stayed and, of course I had to have employment and he gave me a job,\njust helping me out. And one thing led to another, and here I am, still.  \n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, my goodness! Now, I'm curious; I was just looking back over, you\nknow, some of the things that we had in the file on you, and I didn't realize\nthat you came from North Carolina. \n\nLAMPLEY: Yes, born and raised. \n\nSCHAAF: Tell me when and where you were born. \n\nLAMPLEY: I was born in Dunn, a place called Dunn, D U N N, North Carolina,\nwhich is \n\nin the Fayetteville, Raleigh-Durham area, in 1924 and we stayed there until the\narmy; no, I was in college, that's right. I went to North Carolina A and T, in\nGreensboro, and all male students at that time had to take ROTC. When the war\nbroke out, they called us to active duty. And we were supposed to have gotten\ncommissions and we never got, at least, I never got a commission. \n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was Korea? \n\nLAMPLEY: No, World War II. \n\nSCHAAF: World War II. \n\nLAMPLEY: Uh- huh. Uh-huh.   \n\nSCHAAF: Oh, my goodness. You were a youngster. \n\nLAMPLEY: Oh, yes, I was a teenager. \n\nSCHAAF: Good heavens.  \n\nLAMPLEY: Uh --huh. I think I was eighteen...nineteen or twenty, somewhere\nalong there. \n\nSCHAAF: Right. Well, now tell me, my grandfather's family is from North\nCarolina, not too far from...they were from the High Point--Chapel Hill area. \nWhat was it like there growing up?   \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: As near as I can remember, I liked it. Now, in retrospect, I wonder\nwhy I liked it, because there was nothing to do. I had nothing to do. I\nremember, my greatest joy was coming home in the afternoon and climbing a tree,\nand sitting in it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had built a tree house and my mother, of course, wanted\nme to get out (we didn't have a piano) \n\nand go to a neighbor's house and practice the piano. So, I would do that,\nand run right back and climb that tree. I enjoyed it.    \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: When did you begin your music lessons? What got you involved in music? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Uh, my mother taught me; she played the piano, very little, enough to\nplay hymns in church. And she taught me, and then there was a lady in town\nwho was  \n\nsupposedly an advanced type person, and I went and studied with her. She\nhelped me quite a bit and I had wanted to go to the Juilliard School, that was,\nI don't know why, it was just that I heard about this Juilliard School and I\nwanted to go there. And so, that was the thing in the back of my mind; to try\nto find out how I could go there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the meantime, my parents moved to Chapel\nHill, North Carolina, so I went to the University of North Carolina and asked\ndid they have anybody there who could teach me the  \n\nentrance exams to the Juilliard School. So, they gave me Dr. William S. Newman\nand he taught me the entrance exams to the Juilliard School and I went. \nUh-huh. Yep. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Tell me a little bit about your parents.   \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: We were dirt poor. My father was a tailor and he made Navy B-12\nuniforms. As I recall, he made three dollars a week doing it and my mother was\na substitute teacher and she worked, for the most part, in service, because the\nteaching was nothing. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think she made something like nine dollars a month\nteaching, and so she cooked in the area.   \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: And what brought them to Chapel Hill?   \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: My father; he got a job there.     \n\nSCHAAF: I see. \n\n     \n\nLAMPLEY: He got a transfer there, a better job there. From about three\ndollars a week, he started making about ten dollars a week. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Wow! \n\nLAMPLEY: Uh-huh. And they stayed. I believe they liked it. After I got\nsuccessful I built them a little house there. They died there. They liked it also. \n\n  \n\nSCHAAF: It's a beautiful state. It really is. So, you went to Juilliard. \nHow old were you when you went up to Juilliard? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: I don't remember; I must have been 16, 17, or 18. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It might have\neven been 19,   \n\n it might have even been 20, because World War II had started then, and I had\nbeen in the Army. I don't really recall the date.   \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Where did you serve in the Army?   \n\nLAMPLEY: 364th Infantry. Fort Bragg, North Carolina was my induction center\nand Seattle, Washington, Fort Lawton was my embarkation port to the Aleutian\nIslands which the Japanese had already conquered.   \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Right, right. So, you spent most of your service up in the Aleutian Islands. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: All of my service was there. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Oh, my goodness.   \n\n \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Except when it came time for discharge, then they sent me back to Fort Bragg, \n\nNorth Carolina. That's where they discharged me. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Well, what were they doing with you up there in the Aleutian Islands? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just occupying it. As I said, the Japanese had already captured the\nAleutian Islands. The Aleutian Islands, if you know the geography, are the\nstepping stones to Seattle, Washington. I don't know what army, I think it was\nGeneral Patton, had already taken the islands back  \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: OK. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: ...and we were sent there to keep them. The Japanese were still\nthere; we could see them up in the mountains, smoke coming out of their huts. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Oh, my goodness. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: And we were ordered to just leave them up there; I was there three\nyears, and when I left, smoke was still coming out of their huts in the\nmountains, so they must have been getting food and fuel from somewhere. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Right. Right. So, then, back to Fort Bragg, and then from there to --\n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Back home, discharged. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Back home.    \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: And then, immediately up to Juilliard? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: No, I had to get prepared first, I had to get the entrance exams. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ok, that's when you were with Dr. Newman\u003e \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Uh-huh \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: And then on the train up to New York? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Yes, I'm trying to think. Was it a train or a bus? I think it was\nthe train, yes. \n\n yes, or course, and there was a lady who had been an English teacher in high\nschool, Mrs. Turner, I'll never forget and she had gone to New York every year\nto summer school. And she was sort of my mentor. She was going to take\ncare of me, and she rode on the bus or train, I've forgotten which it was, with\nme to New York. And I was in awe, I said, Oh god, look at all these tall\nbuildings, I had never seen anything like it. I was glad that she was with me\nand she had gotten me a room in this house, yes, and I stayed there, I didn't\nhave a piano. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I went down to the Juilliard School to arrange to take the\naudition, took it, and I got in. What's the word, with the, they accepted me. \nOh, that's right, Muriel Kerr, I'll never forget. You have to take a jury\nexam, and everybody voted me down, except her. And she said, no, I hear\nsomething there and I'm going to vote yes. And that's how I got in, and it\nmeant I had to make good, good grades to stay and I did. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Right, right. Oh, my goodness. So, how did you like living in New York\nafter North Carolina? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: I loved it; loved it, and I still do. I still love it. To me,\nit's the one city in the world where everything you want is immediately available.  \n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: And I loved that. If I wanted to see a play, I could always go. I\nwouldn't even have a ticket. \"I think I'll go downtown and see if I can get\nin\". I only wanted one ticket so I could get into just about everything. I'd\ngo and say, \"Do you have a single for tonight's performance?\" Usually, I could\nget into all the hit shows.     \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Right. Great. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: And the concerts; Carnegie Hall, the New York Philharmonic, uh-huh. \nThat was like heaven to me.   \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Oh, my goodness. What part of New York were you living in? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: It wasn't awfully good. It was sort of on the borders of Harlem and I\nrecall when I would come home from school, it was difficult to get into the\nbuilding, 'cause kids would be sitting all over the stoop. And, of course,\nthey called me \"sissy\" because I was studying music ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I would run by them and\nhit them to try to get into the house as quickly as possible. I figured they'd\ntry to beat me up, but they never did. They did tease me every time they saw\nme and called me a \"sissy\".   \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Well, you met a lot of interesting people while you were at Juilliard\nand you had fabulous teachers.   \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Yes, Yes. I felt that it was the making of me as a man and as a\nmusician because it was an exposure to, as I said to just about everything that\nyou could think of  \n\nthat would be necessary for a career in the arts, or music, as it were. \nAnything that was needed, it was there.   \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: And when did you meet Mr. Freundlich for the first time? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the Juilliard School. As a matter of fact, that's who Dr. Newman\nhad recommended me study with, because he figured I wouldn't get in, so he had\ntalked with    \n\nIrwin Freundlich about me and he was expecting me. He was going to take me\nregardless, and he did, and I stayed with him forever. And, until he died, we\nwere still good friends, both he and his wife. We used to get together all the\ntime; we got to be very good friends.   \n\nSCHAAF: And what year did you graduate from Juilliard? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: That I don't remember either. I think it was. I don't remember. \n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was the year after or before my debut, and that was '54 or \"55, I think.. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: And where did you play your debut? \n\nLAMPLEY: Carnegie Hall Recital Hall. \n\n SCHAAF: How was the press? \n\nLAMPLEY: Huh? \n\nSCHAAF: How was your press? \n\nLAMPLEY: Only one paper, no, the papers ignored it. The magazine \"Musical\nAmerica\" reviewed it. The press ignored it. I'm sort of glad they did,\n'cause my teacher had said, \"I want you to give the recital, but don't invite\nthe press\". And I said, \"Ok\". But me, being strong-headed, I said, \"After\nall this, I'm going to invite the press\". So I invited the, and they all\nignored it, except the magazine \"Musical America\". They said I had a\npropensity for 20th century music, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and that was about all. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: So then, where did you go from there? What happened? 'Cause you\nplayed, did a lot of playing. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Oh, yes, I concertized all over the United States, mostly in\ncolleges, all over the United States and for a long time. I'll never forget,\none night I was sitting in my room, about five guys and a quart of beer. \nEverybody had that much beer and we were talking about how poor we were and\nthere was a strange man there nobody knew. Everybody thought he was a friend\nof somebody else's, 'cause he was there. I didn't know who he was. And he\nturned to me and said, \"Are you interested in a job?\" and I said, \"Sure,\nman\". So he said, \"Ok, Monday morning go down to Columbia Records. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tell them\nyou know there's a position open, and you'd like to try for it\". I said,\n\"Sure\" and I didn't even bother. And about a week or two later, I was walking\non Riverside Drive and I saw a strange figure and it was that man. I said,\n\"Hello, how are you?' He said, \"How did that job turn out?\" I said, \"You\nweren't serious, were you?\" He said, \"I was. Get the hell down there\". So\nI went. I was sure there would be no job. And I walked in and I asked the\nreceptionist there, \"Is Howard Shapiro here?\" She said, \"he's out to lunch, do\nyou have an appointment?\" I said, \"No\". She said, \"Sit down, he should be\nback in a moment\". \"Ok\". So, I met him, and I told him the story that I\nwanted to audition for the job. He gave me a score, and played a record,\ndropped a needle on the record and said, \"Can you find it?\" and I said, \"All\nright\". And he said, \"OK, Mr. Lampley, can you start Monday morning?\" and\nI said, \"Yes\" and I got the job. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as I was leaving, he said, \"One thing;\nmay I ask you a question; how in the hell did you find out about this job? I\nhaven't even told my secretary yet.\" (Laughter).  \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Oh, my goodness. That is just wonderful. So, how long were you at Columbia? \n\nLAMPLEY: Seemingly forever. 'Cause even, they let me go away every year to concertize. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Right. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: So, I was there for a long, long, time. I don't recall how many\nyears, because I did other things. As I said, they let me go and concertize;\nat the same time, I started   \n\n again to produce phonograph records. This began to occupy more and more of\nmy time and practicing less and less and playing less and less because the money\nplaying versus the money producing. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So gradually, I kept the playing up a long\ntime, though, until it just got to be too much for me to go home every night and\npractice after being in the office working all day. Gradually, it began to\nfall off, and soon it was just business and the music as an afterthought.    \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: And you went with...you were with Columbia and RCA. \n\nLAMPLEY: Uh-hum. I went from Columbia to RCA, from RCA to Warner Brothers\nand from Warner Brothers to Prestige and Prestige back to Warner Brothers. Yep. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: And so you have had a wonderful, wonderful life as a producer in\naddition to... \n\nLAMPLEY: Uh-hum, it was just magnificent. To this day, there are terribly\nfond memories; the people I worked with and met, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"musicians I met and worked\nwith, especially some of the great jazz musicians I met and worked with. Miles\nDavis, for example. we got to be very good friends which I enjoyed because he\nwas a person who just disliked people. He just didn't like people. We got to\nbe very friendly. He was still very reserved and the most he would say is\n(whisper) \"Hi, Cal, how are you? O.K. You want to have a beer? O.K.\" He spoke\nvery quietly and we got to be friends and people, other musicians were sort of\nsurprised at that because he sort of didn't like people. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Right. Who were some of the other jazz artists that you worked with there? \n\nLAMPLEY: Dave Brubeck. \n\nSCHAAF: Oh, that was at the high point of his career. \n\nLAMPLEY: Oh, yes, that was at the beginning of his career. As a matter of\nfact, the first record he made, I made, called \"Brubeck Plays Brubeck\". \n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, my gosh. \n\n LAMPLEY: Uh-hum, that was just solo piano, without the rest of his ensemble.      \n\nSCHAAF: Right, right. \n\nLAMPLEY: Yep. Errol Garner, Louis Armstrong, um, ?, J.J. Johnson, Boyd\nRayburn Orchestra, whew, so many. \n\nSCHAAF: That's so exciting. It must have been hard to leave all of that. \n\nLAMPLEY: 'Twas, 'twas. Those are still some of the fondest memories that\nI'll ever have. \n\nAnd I didn't consider myself leaving. I used to say to myself, I've got it,\nnobody can take it away from me, so I still have it. \n\nSCHAAF: That's right. Now, how in the world did they seduce you into coming\nto Baltimore? \n\nLAMPLEY: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldman brought me here.     \n\nSCHAAF: Where did you meet him? \n\nLAMPLEY: He was my composition teacher at the Juilliard School. He knew that\nI was interested in jazz. (Interruption in interview). \n\nSCHAAF: So, you had met Mr. Goldman as a.... \n\nLAMPLEY: Yes, at the Juilliard School, he had been my composition teacher. \nAnd he left the Julliard School to come to be the director of Peabody here, and\nwhen he came  \n\nhere, he asked me if I would come done here and start a recording and jazz\nprogram here. Which I did, and I liked it, and I asked him for a job and I stayed. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Great. Great. Well, what did you think of Peabody and Baltimore when\nyou came down here? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: I loved it. I liked it very much. I thought that it was less\naustere and phony than the Juilliard School was. 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Yes. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Lucy Brown was there. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Yes. Yes. Do you know Lucy? \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Oh yes. Yes. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Yes, I knew Lucy very well.   \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: And Bill Rousseau. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Bill Rousseau. Yes. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Now how did you know? You knew him before you came to Baltimore? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: I knew of him. I had never met him. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I met him when he came to the\nPeabody. As a matter of fact, we had difficulties because he thought that I\nwas to study with him, and of course I wasn't. And we sort of got off on the\nwrong foot because he expected me to study with him. And I couldn't imagine\nwhy I would want to study with him, and so I didn't.   \n\nBut we, and I said I'm sorry, you know, I didn't know that you were expecting me\nto study with you. We got it all straightened out, and so we got to be friends. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Well, the recording studio was fairly, well simple, primitive when you\ncame in. You must have been absolutely horrified.   \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: It was nothing. It was like a control room. That was about all. \n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I understand that the guy I hired, Alan Kefauver, he's made it quite nice now. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Yes he has. And it's quite remarkable. I had forgotten that you\nhad hired Alan Kefauver. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Yes. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Now he was working in the recording studio as a student? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Yes. Yes. And I'm trying to think. He was also doing something\nelse. I think he was a student. Yeah, he was a student in the school. I'm\ntrying to think what. I think he was a French horn major. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: That's right. That's exactly right.   \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Right. You're making me use my brain. I had completely forgotten\nabout all of this. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Well, what was the reception to jazz at Peabody when you first went there? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Wasn't very good. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know my first ensemble, jazz ensemble, we had a\nconcert coming up, and wanted to try the ensemble in the concert hall, but we\nwere rehearsing. Madame Duschak comes and stands right in the middle, you\nknow, I can't teach. I can't teach with this noise. Stop this noise. Madame,\nwe have a concert tonight. I have to rehearse. I can't teach. I will get\nDr. Gomez. She went and got Gomez. I can't teach with the noise. And so he\ntalked to her, and she left, and we went on and finished rehearsing. \n\nBut, really, as a matter of fact, T. G. Grattell, my student. As a matter of\nfact, I had a very gifted student who said Mr. Lampley I'd like to stay, but my\nteachers told me if I continued to play in your ensemble, not to come back to\nhim so I'm going to have to leave. Okay, I understand. But it gradually\nwarmed up. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: And now you can get a degree in jazz at Peabody. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh huh. How times change. [Laughter]   \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Well, I think Gary Thomas, the director of the jazz program, would\nstill find some familiar aspects of your story. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Oh. I don't know him. I've read his name, but I don't know him at all. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Yeah. He's a great guy. I think you'd enjoy him. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Is Kefauver still there? \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: He is still there and still working with the recording program and the\nhead of the recording studios there. Now, you got involved in broadcasting\nhere with Maryland Public Television? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Yes. I had done some in New York, but very little, WNYC in New\nYork, but it was very, very little. But here Elaine Stein, do you remember her?   \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I do indeed. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: When I first came to Peabody, she asked me. As a matter of fact,\nshe sent me a letter and asked me if we could get together and meet about this,\nand she asked me if I could get and do a radio show, if I'd be interested in\ndoing a radio show. I said sure. And so she got the radio show started on\nWCBM, and that started the affiliation in broadcasting.   \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: And then you were on Critics' Place? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Yes. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: And you were reviewing concerts all over town. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Uh huh. Uh huh. Baltimore and Washington. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Right. Right. Now let me see. Do you remember who all was\ninvolved on Critics' Place with you? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Yes. Alfie Brown was the hostess. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: That's right. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Earl Arnett and Toby Perkins and Elaine Stein. Of course it was\ntelevision. Jane Murray did dance. And that was about it. Three of us did\ndance, jazz and classical music. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: It was a great show.   \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: We loved it. We loved it.  \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Well, and I think everybody else loved it too because you really got a\ngood idea of what was going on all around town. \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: It lasted such a long time. It was very funny because they got a\nnew director and he canceled it immediately. And everybody, the whole\ncommunity, the letters, the mail we got was magnificent because they were\nannoyed with him canceling it, and he lost his job and was out in less than a\nyear. He was going to modernize the station and get rid of that. \n\n \n\nSCHAAF: Oh my gosh. That is amazing. Now, let's see. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117441/transcript/38429/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So after Critics'\nPlace what happened next? \n\n \n\nLAMPLEY: Then I just, I continued to do my radio show, and I continued to\nstudy and to write. I was into composition then. 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And I started trying to be a full time composer.   \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So how would you describe your music? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Decide to what? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Describe your, I mean, what were the influences on, the strongest\ninfluences on your music? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: You mean present day twentieth century composers? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, I mean, that's an unfair question. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, not when you\nstarted, but I mean your later compositions, what voices do you hear speaking to\nyou and? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Schoenberg, Berg, and Stravinsky. Those were my, the things that\ninfluenced me mostly. And later George Crumb, and others that don't come to\nmind right away. In the early days I liked Roy Harris very much.   \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Now, were you ever active as a jazz performer? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Never. That was the mistake, regret of my life. I never could\nplay it. It was probably because of my parents. Cause every time I'd try to\nplay it, my mother would say shut up, now shut up. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We don't want you playing\nall that old gutter music. We want you to be something in life.  I said yes\nmaam. So I never could play it. When I tried, it sounded like I was playing\na hymn. And I thought it sounded terrible, and I never could play it. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh my goodness. Isn't that interesting. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: I never could play it. I hated the way I played it. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Now what kind of, well, your parents probably were not unlike many\nparents because they thought that jazz was a corrupting force. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Yes. And especially back then.   \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Right. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Cause my mother when she was alive she'd call it gutter music. So\nthat's why it was. The music in whore houses, it was a great thing in houses\nof prostitution. That's where it came from. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Where Eubie Blake started his career. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Uh huh. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, what kind of music did your parents listen to when you were\ngrowing up? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pseudo classical music. It was the type of thing they could get,\nwhich wasn't very much. Maybe Rustle of Spring, Beethoven's C Sharp Moonlight\nSonata, and maybe Chopin, a couple of Chopin pieces and that was it. But it\nwas mostly hymns and religious music. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So they probably wouldn't let you stray into the places where they\nwere playing jazz. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Oh God no. Oh not at all. Oh no, as a matter of fact, we couldn't\ngo anyplace. I remember one night the Winstead Minstrels minstrel show was in\ntown, and me and my brother slipped out and went and laid on the ground, pulled\nup the tent high enough to look in. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had jazz bands there, and I wanted to\ntell my parents about it so bad, but I didn't dare tell them because how'd you\nget there boy. And me and my brother slipped out and gone out to this tent and\nheard it. No, no. Anything that I heard in that vein had to be kept quiet\nand on the QT.   \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, were there other opportunities for you to go and hear music on\nthe QT when you were growing up? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Not really. Not really. No, not really. The only thing, the\nonly thing that would come close to it would be pianists, what I call gospel\npianists. Pianists that played in churches for gospel singing, which really\nhas a jazz background to it. And I used to try that, and enjoyed trying to do\nthat, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and my parents didn't mind that I tried that. As a matter of fact, my\ndaddy would say that. Boy, c'mon, play me one of them old hymns. Yes sir. [Laughter] \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: So you had one brother? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Uh huh. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Was he older? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Yes. Older brother.   \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Now, did he go into music as well? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: No. He didn't. He was very gifted before me. He had been a fine\npianist and singer. But I thought it was rather tragic. I don't know what\nhappened to him. It was a lady, and he became an alcoholic and died when he\nwas like thirty-five. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh my goodness. How sad. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: So I always thought he was very talented. I thought he was much\nmore talented than me. And in retrospect I don't think that's true, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but I\nthought at the time he was much more talented than me. And I was sorry that\nseeing that everything worked against him. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, you know, things have, the world has changed so incredibly since\nyou were a youngster. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Oh God, yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And, I mean, my goodness, were the services still segregated when you\nwent in? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Oh God, yes. Oh God, yes. And this is why I was saying about my\nbrother. I thought that was a tragic thing for him because he worked, of\ncourse, in a dry cleaning place, and the cashier which was white, felt an\ninterest in him and began to pursue him. And I heard this rustling in the\nhouse one night, and I woke up and dad says, go back to sleep boy. And I said,\nwhat's the matter dad? Just go back to sleep. And later dad told me they\nwere slipping my brother out of town to New York because they were going to\nlynch him. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh my goodness. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: That's just amazing.   \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: I ain't never forgot that. Yup. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh, right, I mean, you know, the hills of beautiful North Carolina,\nbut there's an awful lot of unhappiness in those beautiful hills. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: And it was, began to make a change, cause when I studied with Dr.\nNewman at the University of North Carolina, I wrote him a letter, and I began\nthat note, I figured I should, dear Dr. Newman, I am a Negro. I would like to\ngo to the Juilliard School. Can you make suggestions that I could study with\nthe [?]. And it made me feel so good because I got a letter back from him. \nDear Mr. Lampley, I don't care what you are. We got you a place. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that\nmade me feel so good. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh that's great.  But New York. I mean, it must have been like\nthe great liberation. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Oh God, yes. [Laughter]. I said, \"Well now I'm alive. Just\nbeing free. Just seemed like my God. I can do this. I can do that. I\ndon't have to worry. I don't have to think maybe I should go in there. No,\nyou can't go in there boy. Yes you can. Just go. But that always the type\nthing at home. \n\nYou just had to stay in your place. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Right. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: And we knew that and that's what we did. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: But I can't imagine how difficult that must have been. I mean,\nespecially for, I mean, for somebody who has such a tremendous curiosity as you have. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was very, very difficult and frustrating. It made me live in a\ntree. . [Laughter] \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, what about the service. I mean, how, I mean, it was the same story. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Oh God, yes. As I said, all male students had to be in the ROTC in\ncollege, and when the war broke out we were called to active duty, and we were\nsupposed to have gotten commissions. We never got a single commission at all\nbecause we had had four years of ROTC, and we were took out when the war broke\nin my senior year in college, which was after four years of ROTC. And as I\nsaid, we were supposed to have gotten commissions. We never got the\ncommissions. Not a one of us got a commission.   \n\nAnd to try to go to officers candidates school was like pulling hen's teeth. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I'll bet. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: And trying to get promotions. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I spent three and a half years in the\nArmy, and I got to be a sergeant and that's about all. But I should have\nbeen, I should have gone in as a second lieutenant. But I went in as a buck private.   \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And then out and off to New York. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Yup. And that was like freedom. My God, I didn't realize all this\nwas out here. [Laughter] Well I did. Because I'd had quite an experience\nin the Army. The Army was an awakening for me. A lot of my friends thought I\nwas silly when I was saying I enjoyed the Army. I did. Because as I\nfrequently said it made a man out of me. Because I learned everything about\npeople. You know, there are white people that you can talk to, that you can\ncommunicate with. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That think and feel the same as you do. So it was quite an\nawakening for me.   \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, what did, your parents ever get up to New York to visit you? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Daddy did. My mother died before. But Daddy did. Came to my debut. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh wonderful. That must have been quite a thrilling experience for him. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: It was for him. And when I, I have pictures of him, he just looked\nso happy and so proud. To this day I think of Daddy. He was so proud. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh that is wonderful. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: And it's funny, the people he worked for. Well, we had a hard\ntime. We had no money. And I would take him during the summer his lunch. \nAnd I couldn't go in the front of the store because black people couldn't go in\nthe front of the store. So I stood out and I took Daddy's lunch in the back. \nAnd he stood back in the little cubby hole, and it's funny the man he worked\nfor, Jack Lippman, it was his store, came back one day and said to me, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"boy,\naren't you in senior high. I said, yes sir. And he turned to Dad and he said\nwhat are you going to do with that boy? And Dad said, well, he wants to go to\ncollege, but you know, Mr. Lippman, we can't afford it. He looked to me and\nsaid, all right boy, you find a college in North Carolina, has to be in North\nCarolina, find it in North Carolina, and I'll take care of it William. And he\npaid for my going to college. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Oh my goodness. And what did you major in in college? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Liberal arts. Because there's no such thing as majoring in music. \nYou could, but it wasn't a thing you took. Music appreciation, music history,\nand a general fine arts, liberal arts courses, history and English. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, what a good idea though. I mean, my goodness, you ended up\nbeing a musician who could read and talk and think. [Laughter] \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's right. Yes.   \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, of all the changes that have, you know, that you've seen in the\nfield, what do you? Can you focus on one that you? Gosh, that's such a silly\nquestion, and it just. You know, the world is such a different place, and the\nmusical world is such a different place. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: I think the greatest thing is you can do what you want to if you can. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, if you had it to do all over again, and were starting out again,\nwould you follow the same educational path that you did? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Exactly. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I mean, it seemed like such a smart thing to do.   \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: As I said, I didn't know where or how, but for some reason the\nJuilliard School was in there. I don't know where I heard the name, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but it was\nin my mind from as far back as I can remember. And I would do that today, and\nI'd still want to be a pianist. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, you've been influential on some pretty amazing folks around town\nthat have grown up under your influence. I know just about every time I see\nhim your name comes up, and that's Ed Goldstein, who, I mean, you're one of\nhis great heroes.   \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Eddie G. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yes. Yes. And you've seen him. I mean, his whole career unfolds.  \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Yeah. I was thinking about him two or three weeks ago. I was\nlooking through my scrapbook and I said, Eddie G, as I always called him. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And who are some of the others that you've seen coming along here in\ntown of the younger generation? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: That would be difficult for me to do, to remember. If somebody\nmentioned them, I would say oh yes. It would come back. But to try and\nrecall it is difficult for me to do. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, I know you got Jerry Villanueva to sit in. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Oh yes, Jerry Villanueva. Yes. Yes. And I saw his photo, a\nphoto of him the other day. Yes. Now there must be many others. But I\ncan't recall them, especially the early days of Peabody.   \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, it was, that's what, well, it was in those early years that Ed\nGoldstein started thinking about putting together the Peabody Ragtime Ensemble,\nand he did it in your recording studio. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY:  Yes. That's right.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: He used to go in there in the afternoon and hang out with. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh goodness. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: That ensemble is still going too. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: It certainly is, and now he's got the Baltimore Jazz Orchestra.   \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Yes.   \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: See all the trouble you started. [Laughter] \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: They've done exceptionally well, I think. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: No. It's just been really fun to watch all of that come along and to\nsee the changes at Peabody since that time. My goodness. And there were some\nreal characters there. Let's see, Asher Zlotnick was still there. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Oh yes. Did he die? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yes he did.  \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: I thought he did, but I wasn't sure.  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I can't remember just when. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: We got to be very close, very good friends. He was a character, and\nhe thought I was a character also so we got along very well. [Laughter] \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And Leo Mueller was still there when you were. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The conductor of the orchestra. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Oh yes, yes, yes.   \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: He's still in Vienna and only just retired. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Oh my goodness. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And, you know, I think he was, he viewed the coming of jazz to Peabody\nas very interesting. Had probably a broader view than most. And who else was\ncoming along in there?   \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Well, I had a teacher there, and I often wonder what did happen to\nhim. He taught me history. And I can't remember his name. He had such a\nhard time cause he sort of didn't fit in. And I don't know whatever happened\nto him. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Would that have been Leonard Pearlman? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Leonard Pearlman, that's him. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: When you said he didn't fit in. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whatever happened to him? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: He went out west to a college out west and didn't fit in there too. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: He just didn't make it anywhere did he?  \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: No. He had a difficult time. And he probably fit in better at\nPeabody than most places because Peabody had such a, you know, it's one of those\nplaces that tolerates characters very well. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Yes. And he could get lost there. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yes. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: And I liked him, but my God he was such a pain. [Laughter] And I\nthink I liked him because everybody else disliked him. And I always felt so\nsorry for him. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yeah. He had a rough time. But he was, I think a lot of people\nliked him though because.   \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Was Justin Surcliff there? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Not. My goodness, I can't remember when he left. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Does that name mean anything? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yes it does. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember her. I think. Oh, a woman. My teacher, Dr. Jean Ivey. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yes. She's in New York. Well, my goodness, you were there not long,\nlet's see, when did they get their first? She started the electronic music\nprogram at Peabody. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Yes. Yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: And they were, they bought the first commercially available Moog synthesizer.   \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Yes, yes. That's how I got to know her. And I studied with her. \nYes. I studied electronic music with her.   \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: That's right because you got interested in that whole realm.  \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Yes. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I often wonder whatever, which I figured she would go back to\nNew York. Because she used to live on West End Avenue in New York. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Yes. Well, she only just moved into a retirement home, and she\nsettled. Actually we just got her papers in the archives, all of her\ncompositions and tapes and sketches. And which we were delighted to have\nbecause she was so important to the program at Peabody. Well, my goodness you\ngot drawn into the. I had forgotten that.   \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Yes. Those were the good old days. [Laughter] \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well that department has just grown like crazy. It's just amazing. \nWell, you would love it there now. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: I bet. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: You really would. The electronic music program has gone like\ngangbusters. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The jazz program is just fabulously successful. And Gary Thomas\nis wonderful, and the ensemble that he's got going is very good. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: I've heard about it and read about it, and I keep saying my God, why\ncouldn't all of that have happened when I was there? \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, you planted the seeds. They wouldn't, you know, it takes time\nfor those things to sprout and grow. But Gary is very interested in talking to\nyou, and because he would like to I think review some of the difficulties he had\nand to a sympathetic ear. But what would you, if you were having to counsel a\nyoung person, say just about the time when you were deciding to go to Juilliard,\nwhat would you tell them to do? \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Study. Get prepared. You can't be too prepared. And for\npianists, I'd tell them study the forty-eight, the Bach Preludes and Fugues,\nevery one of them. Make sure you can play every scale and arpeggio that's ever\nbeen written. There's a minimum of a hundred and forty-four. Read the\nhistory books, read reviews. I think preparation is easier now than it was\nwhen I was coming along. It was so always so hard. You had to look for it to\nfind it. My God, all the schools have it now.   \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: Well, you've had a good career. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: Oh yes. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: You've really had a wonderful, wonderful career. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: I'm not at all unhappy about it. I think I've had a darn good, good career. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442/transcript/38430/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I'm so glad that you let me come out here and bother you. \n\n\n\nLAMPLEY: My pleasure. \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: I have always. \n\n[INTERRUPTION]\n\n\nLAMPLEY: I've forgotten about these kids, and one of the kids called me a half\nwhite nigger. And it was an all black school. And I didn't know what it\nwas. And after dinner that night I said, \"Daddy, what's a half white nigger?\" \nHe said, boy, where did you hear that? And I told him. My mother pushed me\nup against the wall and said, boy, you are a Negro, hold your head up and be\nproud. I said yes m'am. Just so I know who I am. [Laughter] \n\n\n\nSCHAAF: That is a great story.   \n\n\n\n[END OF INTERVIEW] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44146/file/117442#t=1380.0,1440.0"}]}]}]}