{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/iiif/kd1qf8k61c/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Muriel Fulton oral history, 2002 September 30"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/008/original/peabody-institute.logo.large.horizontal.blue.cropped.png?1549570058","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":[" Muriel Fulton (1912-2012) studied dance with Ellsworth Toomey as a child. She graduated from Douglass High School in 1928 (Anne Wiggins Brown, Eugene Prettyman and Avon Long were classmates) and continued dance studies in Boston. She appeared on Broadway in \"Memphis Bound,\" with Bill Robinson and Avon Long. 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She appeared on Broadway in \"Memphis Bound,\" with Bill Robinson and Avon Long."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["The collection is open for use. Contact peabodyarchives@lists.jhu.edu for more information."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins University"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins University"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/008/original/peabody-institute.logo.large.horizontal.blue.cropped.png?1549570058","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/public/images/audio-default.png","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 2 - pims0091_FultonM_01.mp3"]},"duration":3023.04653,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/public/images/audio-default.png","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-peabody.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/117/413/original/pims0091_FultonM_01.mp3?1624270833","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":3023.04653,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["FultonM_1_OHMS_20220729 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Good morning.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Good morning.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Today is Monday, September 30th. I'm here with Mrs. Muriel Fulton.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Right.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: 19 North Ann Street, Baltimore, Maryland.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Right.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Thanks for talking with me.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Nice to have you here.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: I guess we'll start out with a little bit where you came\nfrom, you know, how things got started for you. You grew up in West Baltimore?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Right.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Where exactly?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: I was born at 1214 Eddings Street. And I've lived many places\nsince then in the city, but mostly on the west side. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I know very little about\nEast Baltimore, but I'm experiencing it now.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: I came to East Baltimore because of illness. And came to be with\nmy daughter. So I'm still here five years later.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right. Well, it's very nice.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: I'm enjoying it.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Tell me a little bit about your family.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: I'm an only child. My mother was an only child, father almost an\nonly child. He had a sister [who] died at a very early age. I never knew her.\nAnd most of his family were from the east side. And I would come and visit with\nmy father occasionally to see some relatives over here. But as for actually\nknowing East Baltimore, I know very little. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it really is a historical place.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Talk to me about growing up in West Baltimore then.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Well, for one thing, we knew everybody, and everybody knew us.\nBecause, at that time, segregation -- Everybody on the west side was living in\nalmost a vicious circle. And I have plenty of friends, and we all attended the\nsame schools, not the same churches, because some of my friends belonged to\nMetropolitan, and I became friendly with the ministers' daughters and sons at\nSharp Street [United Methodist Church], which is right up the street from where\nI was born. And not only that, there was Grace Presbyterian just across from\nSharp Street church. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right around the corner was Bethel [AME Church].\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: And Madison [Church].\n\nMURIEL FULTON: And Union Baptist. We were surrounded with churches. So as the\ntime would go on, going on to school, we would meet in the morning, and one\nwould be stationed on the corner as we went along. And by the time we got to\nDouglass High School, well, we had our gang. And it was so much fun. And then,\nas I say, the classmates -- we just grew up together. And when you would name\npeople like Annie Wiggins Brown, we all knew Annie because she was in my class.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: You called her Annie?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Annie. Her name was Annie. [Laughter] Annie Wiggins Brown. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But,\nof course, as she became so famous, she became Anne, which was all right with us.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right. When you're a world-famous singer, you know, Anne\nsounds a little better than Annie.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: That's right. And as I say, being from the same neck of the\nwoods, we all really knew one another. And not having had sisters and brothers\nlike most of my friends, my friends became my sisters or my brothers, and\nremained that way until death. Regardless of where we moved.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: And so that's the beginning. But there were many places we could\nnot go, many things we could not enjoy. So my great grandkids would have me at\nholiday time. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tell me about the olden times, they say. And I said, well, that's\ninteresting that you should ask me because right now I'm sitting in your mother\nand father's home looking at the Frigidaire that we never had. The radios, the\nTV, we didn't have those things. Well, what did you do? Oh, we had a wonderful\ntime. Well, what did you do? Well, there was the Druid Hill Park, and we would\nwalk. We didn't have cars. We walked.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: To hear the Park Band?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: That's right. And there was the Eutaw Place Square. And on\nSundays after church service, we walked to Eutaw Place, and someone had a\ncamera. And we would take pictures in front of those palatial homes as if we\nlived there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that would happen on Sunday. Then we would go have our dinner\nwhich was prepared on Saturday.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: So that we would spend most of the day in church. And you didn't\nmind it because you were with your friends. After that, then we would become\ninvolved in\n\nthings going on at the church, and I remember in high school becoming a member\nof -- I'm getting a senior moment right now.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: No.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: There was a club that the English teacher, provided us with. And\non Saturday we would go to Douglas Memorial Church to have this meeting. And\nwhat would we do? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We would make candy and pull taffy, and some of you never\nheard of that, but what a joy.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Pulling taffy.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: We looked forward to going to church pulling taffy. And that's\nbeen long, long ago. And most of the folks who partook of all this are gone, and\nnow it becomes a sort of lonely feeling when you sit and think as I'm doing with\nyou, to try to go back because there's so much I cannot remember to tell you.\nBut they had a very good moment, and I'm glad that I came along at that\nparticular time. So David, I don't know.\n\nDid I call you David? Because I have a grandson.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's fine.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: I meant to say Daniel.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Oh that's fine. Whatever.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Daniel Thomas Day [sic].\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: That's me.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: That's you.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: So were you always at Douglas?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Douglas Memorial.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: No, no. When I was a little girl, my grandmother belonged to\nTrinity AME which was down at Biddle Street and Linden Avenue. It's not there\nanymore. It's over here in East Baltimore.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: So I don't remember too much about that, but from there we came\nto Bethel [AME] Church which was right across from Eddings Street. And there I\nstayed until the Reverend [Frederick] Douglas was the minister. And at\nconference time the bishop saw fit to move him to a smaller charge, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen's\nChurch, on Lexington Street, and when minister got there, Reverend Douglas, the\ndoors were locked. They did not want him. They wanted their old minister.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Old minister.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: So Reverend Douglas was very upset. We became upset. I was just a\nchild, but I could see what was happening with the older members. And so some of\nthem, there were those who have a four o'clock meeting, and that started the\nball rolling for Reverend Douglas. So we were very, very fortunate when he said,\nafter being asked, Reverend, if we want you to stay, will you stay? And he said,\nif you mean it, I will. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was preparing to go back to Cairo, Illinois.\n\nSo anyway, it turns out that Reverend Douglas and Mrs. Douglas decided to remain\nin Baltimore, and eventually the church that we first worshipped in was on\nMadison Avenue in the 1100 block. And [it] was known as Cosmopolitan. Then from\nCosmopolitan we became Douglas Memorial Community Church, which is still, and\nstill surviving.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: It's not just surviving. It's thriving.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes. I'm quite happy.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: So how much was the church part of your life?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was everything. It was everything.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Did you sing there?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes, I was on the junior choir from Bethel Church right on over\nto Cosmopolitan and became a Sunday School teacher at the age of twelve because\nDr. O. D. Jones, who was a dentist in the 1400 block of Druid Hill Avenue was\nthe superintendent of the Sunday School. So, if you were in Douglass High\nSchool, you qualified to be a Sunday School teacher. But then, of course, after\nyou got in, you had to learn the books of the Bible, the Creed, and the many\nthings that he felt necessary for us. And I have been there ever since. Not as a\nteacher because my life became full as I went along in life.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: But I'm still at Douglas [Church]. I'm very happy there, and I\nhope I will remain there until I'm called to a better world.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Well, what were your parents like?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: My mother and father were both Baltimoreans, and my mother was an\nonly child. But my grandmother was from Carroll County. It was either or Calvert\nCounty. And my grandmother was from a large family. There were thirteen of them.\nThirteen, and she was the youngest. And so I still have a few cousins left from\nher family. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And my grandfather I don't think ever knew his parents, but he was\nraised by a German family. And I used to say to my grandmother, where did you\nmeet him? And she used to go to Narraganset Pier in Massachusetts every summer\nto take care of the laundry. And she met him up there. So that developed into\nthis relationship, and he became her husband. They were the ones who secured the\nhome at 1214 Eddings Street, Baltimore, Maryland. And there they resided until\nthey passed.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: What did your parents do?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the end [my father] was with the Internal Revenue down on\nWater Street. And I can remember he used to travel a lot with his boss. I can't\neven think of their names now. However, I became part of that family because\nthey had a daughter Charlotte, and they would often come and get me and take me\nto their home, and I would just enjoy that. Then my father would be traveling\nwith them because wherever they went -- The husband was sort of lame. My father\nwould have to do a lot of helping with him, and so he got to travel a lot. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wegan\n[phonetic], Mr. Wegan. And he had a son and a daughter.\n\nAs I say, I became very friendly with them. And the son thought my father was\nlike a father to him. Because when my father died, he wrote the most beautiful\npoem in memory, a tribute to him. And he always called my father Uncle Bill. So\nI can't forget those memories. As for others, I'm sure they passed on.\n\nNow my mother didn't work. I think a lot of times then they didn't believe in\nthe wife working, but my parents were young. And I was left with my grandmother\nso much because they were going to dances and enjoying themselves. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I felt\nlike my grandmother was my mother. But anyway, as the time went on, I knew who\nmy mother and father was. And they didn't let me forget that either.\n\nSo anyway, all of our mothers and fathers had friends. And things were going on\nwith them.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Where would they go dancing?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: I started to say Mason Temple, but Elks Hall [phonetic]. And Mr.\n[Ellsworth] Toomey, the dance teacher down on Packard Street, we all took dance lessons.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Your whole family.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: No.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Oh, your friends.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: My friends whose parents would agree to it. Because a lot -- my\ngrandmother didn't care much for me being taught to dance. And to play cards, my\nmother and father taught me ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"whist. Not bid whist, just whist. And I thought that\nwas just great. I could play. And my grandmother would almost, she would say a\nprayer every time she would see me with these cards in my hand. She thought that\nwas the devil's work, you know, and my parents teaching me that. But anyway, she\nwould relent, but not wholly.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: So you liked to dance.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes. I loved to dance, and yet when we would be dancing, I know\nwe used to dance out in the street in warm weather, and the older members would\ncome out, bring their little chairs and benches and sit out and watch us. And we\nplayed all kinds of games and danced. So they enjoyed it. But at a certain time\nthe street was clear. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Everybody went in, said good night, and that was it. So it\nwas really family oriented, and everybody's family was your family.\n\nBecause as my mother told one young man who brought me home from school, she\nsays if you're going to bring her home, you walk her to her door. You don't\nleave her before she gets to her home. Oh my, I was embarrassed.\n\nBut do you know, he died recently, but he said to me, that was a wonderful\nlesson for me. And I looked at him as if he was off his rocker. But he really\nmeant it. And as I said, the boys became a part of the family too because they\nended up calling my grandmother Grandma. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they had ways of winning her. They\nwould bring her things, like if it was watermelon season. They made sure she\nliked it, and that put them in as far as I was concerned. So that made life a\nlittle easier and brighter. So as I say, I came along at that time. There was a\nlot of love.\n\nAnd now the children, they're in schools far away. While they're there [they]\nhave friends, but I notice my granddaughter. Now her friends -- She went to\nWestern High School. While she was there the friendship was fine, but you lose\nit. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You lose it.\n\nBut anyway, as I keep telling you, Daniel, I just enjoyed it in my way. And it\nwas the way that we grew up with. We knew nothing else so a lot of us can say we\nenjoyed it.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: So you were singing and dancing with people like Avon Long,\nAnne Wiggins Brown.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: That's right. And being a part of everything that came in the\nschool as far as drama and dance, we were a part of it. You were on that\nDouglass High School stage because of Miss Nellie Buchanan, the teacher.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: She was good.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes. She was a wonderful person, and I think Avon's wife can\nreally attest to that because after she married Avon and learned the different\npeople here, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"she found Miss Buchanan just like a mother. But Miss Buchanan never\nmarried, and yet she remained with the theater.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: And as you saw some of the pictures, you know. So, as I say, it\nbecomes lonely. It really does even though you can be in a crowded room, and\nstill you look around and those faces you once knew are no longer there, even in\nchurch. It's a new ball game. But it's really a pleasure remembering what I'm\ntrying to remember.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Oh, you're doing a great job remembering.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: I don't know about that. And since I don't have any of my old\nfriends here to say, oh Muriel, you forgot so and so. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I'm doing the best.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: So you were good friends with Annie Brown and with Avon Long?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes. We were in the same class for four years. And I had pictures\nof her, too, upstairs I could have brought down. The last time she was here, and\nat the Peabody they entertained for her, I was sick and couldn't go. But I have\na picture of those who were there, and one Eugene Prettyman.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Oh, right.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: You've heard that name?\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: From the Park Band.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: No.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: His brother [Edward] did the Park Band.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes. Eugene was in our class. And he's in that picture that was\nat the Peabody. And he's up on Madison Avenue. I have his address, too, upstairs.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: We've spoken to him.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: You did? To Eugene?\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Yeah. We did an interview just like this.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Really?\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Yeah.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Oh, you have an interview by him. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, he was taking part in all\nthose musicals.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: This is an amazing class you were in.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes. I'm telling you, absolutely. And we were all in the class of\n1928, June. Don't forget that.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right. Nineteen twenty-eight, June.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: June 1928.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: So you were singing and dancing. Did you have a sense that\nsome of these people are going to be stars some day?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Oh yeah. We just knew that Annie Brown and Avon, we knew they\nwould be stars.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: I heard that, I think maybe it was Avon Long [who] would\nsign his name with a teacup or a spoon or something like that.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Oh, he was something.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Is that right?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: That was him, I'm sure. If you heard that, that was Avon. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But as\nI say, that interview, to me, he was himself, and he was going to do it his way.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: How did you get from Douglass High School in Baltimore to\ngoing around with Avon in New York and St. Louis and all these other places? How\ndo you go from a little street in West Baltimore to New York?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: All of that has happened just like it's a dream. Because at the\ntime I had married. I went to Boston, and I was supposed to be going just for\nthe summer.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: So you got married right after high school?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes. My mother didn't plan it that way. But all right, I was to\ngo to school, okay? And I'd go to Boston, and I'm with friends of my mother's\nand grandmother's. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so many things came about while I was there that I became\na part of. And I said to myself, boy this is great, this is great.\n\nSo when time for us to do something about this as fall is coming now -- \"What\nare your plans?\" In the meantime, the people where I was staying in\nMassachusetts -- \"Muriel, don't go back to Baltimore. Stay here, go to school.\"\nAnd I said, yes, that's fine. It had to be approved by my parents. Well, it did.\nThey said, all right, we'll try it.\n\nWell, now I'm meeting new people all the time. I'm involved in music. I started\nstudying with Harry Delmore. I don't know whether you've heard of him, but he\nwas a great teacher up there and in New York.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Studying privately?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Uh-huh. And then as I'd be going around with Avon up there, we\nend up at the same art school, Miss Maud Cuney-Hare. Never forget. On Boylston\nStreet. And we began having the same instructor for this, appearing in certain\nthings, and one night I was to dance in a play called Dessalines. Avon had one\nspeech in that play. Played the part of an old man. One speech. He broke it up\nwith that one speech, and I danced.\n\nWell, after the show, there was a lady named Miss Louise Brooks, a White lady,\nvery wealthy so they say. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She came backstage. She spoke very, strictly New England.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: This is still in Boston.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yeah. This is Boston. And she said, \"I want to see the lady who\ndanced. I want to see the young man that gave the long speech.\" Well, when she\nlooked at me, I looked like I was scared to death.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: And so she said to me, would you like to study dance? And I said,\nwell, yes. I said, but I don't think my parents would go for it. She said, well,\nwe'll see. Give me your phone number and where you're staying, and I did. At the\nsame time, she had been to Avon that same night and asked him where was he staying.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The next night I was eating dinner, the phone rang, and the lady said it's for\nyou. And I went there, and she said Miss Louise Brooks. And I said where did I\nhear that name before?\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Sounds familiar. Yeah.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: So she said, you will begin with Sonya Karetina [phonetic].\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: The Russian.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: The Russian. I said, where? And she said at Maud Cuney-Hare Art\nSchool on Boylston Street. And I said, but what about finances? She says, did I\nask you? And I said no. She said taken care of.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Wow.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: So I hung up. \"You're to report at a certain time.\" Just be on\ntime. And I was. But in the meantime, soon as I hung up Avon called me. Said, I\njust had a phone call from Miss Louise Brooks. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1680.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said so did I. That's how we\nended up together. So for weeks and months we went to study. And we danced on\nthe Boston Common for their three-hundredth anniversary, and I have pictures of\nthat. And Miss Karetina trained us for that. There were about six girls and\nfellows. And that was quite a celebration.\n\nAnd that's where this Crispus Attucks Monument -- Well, that was a great\ncelebration. Now, in the meantime, I'm meeting people. Right?\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: In Boston and Cambridge. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1740.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So one day I was sitting in what the\nlady called the sunroom, and somebody tapped me on the shoulder. Evidently I was\nnodding, and I looked up and there were two young men standing, and one I had\nmet before and he was from Bermuda. He was going to MIT. And I looked and I\nsaid, oh, Vernon, Vernon Jackson. And he said, Muriel, I want you to meet a\nfriend of mine, Ellsworth Wilson [phonetic]. Need I tell you more. He was going\nto Boston University from his home was Worcester, Massachusetts. He was Omega\n[fraternity?] man, and I think Vernon was too. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1800.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, at that time there were\nmany dances, formals and what not. And I was always asked. Somebody was always\ninviting me. So there was another young man by the name of [Albert] Gould, the\nfamily [was] very well known.\n\nSo, the house where I was staying, the Jones', the father of the group said, \"I\nknow the Goulds.\" Now this gentleman worked for Harvard University. He used to\nprepare the animals for the museums. What do you call that now? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1860.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It leaves me.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: The zoo.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: You know, like they refurbish them to look real.\n\nYou understand what I'm saying.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Sort of like a taxidermy.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yeah, there you go. And he said, \"Oh, I know the Goulds.\" Now my\nparents are going to ask me, \"Well, who is this you're going out with?\" \"You\nknow, this one and that.\" They're down here.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right. Down in Baltimore.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: I'm up there, and I'm supposed to be under these people's wings.\nSo anyway, my father would be calling. Anyway, this particular time this dance\nwas coming up. I think it was an Alpha dance. And so this [Wilson] I just met.\nNow I've been going to the dance with this Gould.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: You got that?\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: I got the Gould, right.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Okay, you got the Gould.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: And now we have Ellsworth Wilson.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1920.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There you go. So this Ellsworth Wilson calls up and says, Muriel,\nI'd like to take you to the dance. I said what dance? I knew what he was talking\nabout. He said the Alpha dance, and that's on, we'll say Friday night. And I\nsaid, well, I have to think about it. Okay? My mind was made up. So when Gould\ncalled, he said, Muriel, I'm picking you up at such and such a time for the\ndance. I said, oh no. I've already accepted an invitation. And he said, we've\nbeen going to the dances together. And I know that wasn't going to set well with\nhis family. You understand?\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Why not?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Oh, you don't do that to the Goulds.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=1980.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, I see what you're doing.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: They're the cream of the crop here I guess. But anyway, I'm\nyoung. So I get on the phone. My mother calls. And I explain the situation, just\nas I told you. And she said to me, now, I don't know why you're getting yourself\ninto this, but if you just must go -- and she told me exactly what to wear\nbecause she used to provide the things, you know, and she wanted me to look just so.\n\nSo anyway, I said to the lady of the house, I said, Miss Thornton, what will I\ndo? I said Albert Gould is coming for me and so is Ellsworth. She said, oh my. I\ncan see her now. She said, well, we'll have to do something about that. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2040.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She\ndidn't discourage me, but she says I tell you what. Tell Wilson to come at least\na half an hour earlier if your mind is made up. So I did. I said, you come\nearly. Well, Daniel, I tell you. We get to the dance. I'm happy. I'm just as\nhappy as I -- because I had good sense. And she said we hadn't been going ten\nminutes when Gould drove up with his youngest sister. Oh my, you don't do this\nto my brother.\n\nSo we get on to the dance, and I walk in and speaking to this one and that one,\nand then my girlfriend that I'm close to, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2100.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"she said to me, oh my goodness, I\nthink I see Al Gould and his sister coming in. I said really? She said, don't\nlook now.\n\nSo anyway, Ellsworth, he's the type that introduces you to everybody. Not Al. He\ndoesn't want you to meet anybody else, I found out. But my mother, of all\npeople, latched on to Gould.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Really?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Oh, she just thought I was cuckoo. So anyway, as the time went on\nthat night at the dance, Albert came over and said to me the next dance is mine. [Laughter]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2160.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I said, no, it' s not. I said, because we had the little date books, and the\nfellows sign it, you know. And I'm showing him, trying to be smart. I said, see.\nSee who had the next dance and all. He says, I don't want to see that. He says\nthe next dance is mine.\n\nWell, this girlfriend of mine came over, said, \"Muriel, maybe you better go\nahead and dance with him.\" And I said all right. I said, \"Ellsworth, you\nunderstand.\" He said, okay. Now that put me closer to that one, right? Not my\nmother. So, I went on. He said, \"You are my girl.\" This is Gould. And he said,\n\"I don't like the way this turned out tonight, but let it be the last.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2220.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I\nsaid, \"Oh, dictating?\" I said, \"I'm not married to anyone and don't intend to be\nat this point.\"\n\nAnd so he said, no, my parents want you for dinner on Sunday. Now this is a\nFriday night that we're having this talk. So I said, now he's bringing his\nparents into it. Well, when I got home from that dance my mother called me, and\nshe wanted to know how I made out. And I told her, well, now he's invited me to\nhis parents for dinner. She says, go. My mother telling me to go! I wasn't\nanxious. But he came for me, and I went. And it was snowing. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2280.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I have on boots,\ngaloshes, whatever you call them, and we walked into this very lovely home.\nThey're the Goulds from Massachusetts. And we go in, and they have a coat rack,\nand [Albert] said to me, sit down. And when the younger sister passed by, he was\non his knees and taking off my galoshes.\n\nAnd the sister, it gave her almost a heart attack that her brother would be down\non his knees after what I did to him at the dance. She's just full of anger.\nAnyway, he paid it no mind. He continued and I sat there. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2340.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Finally the parents\nappeared. And I'm telling you, I don't think I enjoyed anything that I ate. I\nreally don't. It's been a long time now, but it comes back to me. I lasted\nthrough the evening, and questions were put to me right and left. As if to say,\nwhat do you intend to do about our son? And I'd say we're friends. So the night\nwent over. But when I talked to my mother, she just couldn't understand me. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2400.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Soon\nafter I got a telephone call that my mother was coming to Cambridge. And my\nfather said, your mother got a letter. I said from whom?\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: The Goulds.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: From him, Al. He wanted her to come to Cambridge. He would pay\nher way. Because he wanted to talk with her, and she came. I went, not really\nknowing who wrote the letter, but I figured. And when I got to South Station,\nwho did I see but Al Gould, winking.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: With your mother.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: No, the train hadn't come in. So I walked over and I said, you\nexpecting someone? He said uh huh. I said so am I. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2460.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My mother got off that train,\nhe welcomed her, and he's escorting her. He said, Mrs. [unclear], we'll go to my\nhouse for breakfast. I said, mom, Miss Thornton is preparing breakfast for you.\nNow she acted like she was much younger and knew him, and she said, oh well,\nAlbert, I guess I have to go with her.\n\nI said you don't have to. And that wasn't me to talk to my mother like that, but\nI did. And so she went with me. But he told her that he would pick her up at a\ncertain time because he wanted to talk to her. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2520.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said to her, I will not go with\nyou. When he picks you up, you go with him. And I didn't appreciate it. But\nanyway, I was friendly with him until he died, and he became a doctor, and they\nfound him that he had suffered a massive heart attack. And I married Ellsworth\nWilson. He graduated from Boston U, the only Black in the business\nadministration class at that time.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: You were very proud.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: And we married and had two children, a son and a daughter, and\nthe son finished in '48, Boston U, in languages, and has had a wonderful career.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2580.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His name is Ellsworth. And Ellsworth died in '89, the father. He never married\nagain. I did. That's why I became Fulton.\n\nThe second marriage was beautiful, and we were together for thirty­-four years.\nAnd Big Ellsworth, we always say Big, he never remarried. And so I mean it was\nan eventful life. But then my daughter lost her sight when she was ten years\nold. So all this is crowding in now. But we managed. We managed. And she, too,\nhas proven her worth, and my son sure proved his. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2640.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He lives up on Calloway with\nhis family. Now I have two children, four grands, and nine great-grands.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: That's wonderful. Tell me about showbiz. Tell me about\nsinging and dancing. How did this come about?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: I was working. I got a job with Social Security. I took the exam\nand got a job down at Market Place.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: In Boston?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: No, here. I came back home.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Okay, after you got married, you came back home. And you\nhadn't been singing and dancing at this point in shows?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: No. Not yet.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: About 1930?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: We had been married -- Let's see. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2700.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sister was ten years old when\nthis happened to her, and she was born in 1933, and so I had gone to Social\nSecurity on my job, and I had only been there for six months. I was on the shift\nfrom four to twelve every day. And when I came home, there was a telephone\nnumber left for me by Ellsworth Wilson telling me I had a phone call from New\nYork, and to call this number. I had some relatives, and I thought that's who it was.\n\nAnyway, I got home that night, it's midnight now. And they said regardless of\ntime call a Mr. Bob Ross [phonetic]. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2760.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know Bob Ross, but I called. And\nwhen I called, this gentleman said to me, Muriel? I said, yes. He said, Muriel\nWatkins Wilson. Yes. He said, can you be in New York on Tuesday? I said for what\nreason? He said to audition for a musical. And I said, who are you calling? You\nsure you have the right number? He said, yes, I'm sure. And I said, I don't\nknow. I'm not sure about that. He said, you come and all expenses paid. I said,\nwell, where did you get my name? And he didn't tell me right away. He says, we\nhave it, and sort of talked around that. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2820.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then he said all expenses paid, and\nyou come to the National Theater for the audition. So I said, well, I will have\nto have a talk with my family. By this time, I'd gotten [my daughter] in the\nMaryland School for the Blind, where she cannot come home every weekend. She's\ngot to adjust. Well, this is fine. But I don't think my mother and father were\ngoing to go for this.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: How old were you at this point?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: At this point I would say about twenty-two.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2880.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is in the '30s.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes. Now wait a minute. I went to Social Security in '43. Because\nshe was ten years old. I had only been working at Social Security six months\nwhen she lost her sight. And then these things begin happening, and this\ntelephone call.\n\n[Davis adjusts second tape recorder]\n\nMURIEL FULTON: So I had a talk with my family. And my mother, right away, said \"Go.\" Before, she wouldn't have said that. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=2940.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413/transcript/39155/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But since this had happened, she knew my heart was broken. And I said, well how will we manage? We worked out. And even --\n\n[END PART 1]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117413#t=3000.0,3060.0"}]}]},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - pims0091_FultonM_02.mp3"]},"duration":3025.03184,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/public/images/audio-default.png","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-peabody.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/117/414/original/pims0091_FultonM_02.mp3?1624270834","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":3025.03184,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["FultonM_2_OHMS_20220729 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MURIEL FULTON: -- with their father, Ellsworth --\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: And he was okay with you leaving?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Well, I was to the point then where nothing seemed to matter.\nThis is what my mother knew. She said she's got to get something different in\nher life. And so we had this talk, and she said your father and I will be here\nin Baltimore, close enough to get to her. The boy is at Boston U, my son. You're\nworking now, yes, but go and see what this is.\n\nAnd I talked to Ellsworth about it. He said, oh far be it from me to stop -- He\nsaid if I had talent, I would want something like that to happen. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So anyway, it\nwas worked out. When Bob Ross called me, guess what I said? He called me the\nnext night, and he said, Muriel, did you work out something? I said, I can't be\nthere Tuesday, but listen to this, I can come Thursday. What would have been the\ndifference? I'll never know. But I just let him know I wasn't corning Tuesday.\nThat's when I found out that Avon --\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Avon was behind it.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Uh-huh.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Had you been in touch with him?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: He was going to meet me when it was all settled what time I would\nbe coming in on the train. Because definitely Mr. Warburg [phonetic], the head\nman, wants to see me, and Avon is the one that's sponsoring me.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, the time comes. Tuesday I can't go. I tell the people at Social Security,\nI've only been there six months, but everybody knew about my situation. They\nsaid Muriel, go. Try it. If you like it, fine, but we'll tell you this from the\ntime you've been here, your record stays. You can always come back. And I said,\nthat's mighty nice to know.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: This is during the war, probably, right?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes. And they said this absolutely. \"If you don't like it, come\nback.\" And I said thank you so much to my supervisors. And I said, well, I'm\ngoing to go. \"When are you leaving?\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said Thursday. Well, that went through\nthe Candler Building like wildfire. Muriel's going to New York.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: She's going to be on Broadway.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Well, I didn't know what it was going to be on.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right. Had you been singing and dancing?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Because I hadn't been auditioning.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right. So, between when you left Boston and when you went\nto New York, had you been singing and dancing in Baltimore?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Well, only in the choir.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Yeah. So Avon just remembered you from --? Had you been in\ntouch with Avon? Had you kept in touch?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Oh yeah. Always. Always.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: And he knew you danced.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes. And from the time we were in Boston with Miss Louise White,\nwho gave us the opportunity, he knew what I could do. And he had made a routine\nnumber. If anybody needed somebody, we could, one that we'd just get up and do\nit. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so a lot of times people would call and ask us to appear at debutante\nparties all around Massachusetts, up with those people.\n\nSo anyway, this particular time I got ready and left Thursday. And Avon met me.\nHe was standing there at that thing when I got off the train. Daniel, my mother\ntold me what to wear. She all but went with me. She was just that for it.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: You were an only child. I mean she had a lot invested.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: And then she was trying to get this ache of hers because of this\nsituation because that nearly killed me. When Avon saw me, I can see myself now\nwith that gray suit and white blouse, bow tie, and everything just so. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just like\nmother said. I said, Avon, why did you do this? He said I want you to get a\ntaste. I want you to get a taste.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: And he'd been doing well at this point.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Oh, yes.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: This is after Gershwin.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: No. This is before. I'm up there before Gershwin.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Oh, okay. So we're getting there.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: And he said now, the first thing we do is to take your bag to his\napartment. And Gretchen -- because Gretchen was expecting with her third child.\nSo I noticed the apartment was small. I said, I don't even know where I'm going\nto stay. He said you know you don't have to worry about a place to stay as long\nas I'm in New York or anywhere. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I said, yeah, but what about Gretchen, and\nshe's expecting and all. She's just as gracious. She really is.\n\nSo anyway, he said come on, we've got to go. We'll go to breakfast at Sardi's. I\ndidn't know what he was talking about. I said what is Sardi's? He said, well,\nyou usually see someone in there you know. Oh really? Yeah. He would know, not\nnecessarily me. But anyway, he took me. When I wasn't hungry, I wasn't anything.\nI was just like in another world.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Nervous.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yeah. Hadn't thought of what I would use as an audition piece. So\nnow we're going. We've been to Sardi's. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now we got to get down to the National\nTheater by such and such a time, and when we walked in there, there was a line\nof fellows and girls to audition. And everybody was using the same piece,\n\"Embraceable You.\" Everybody.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: [Sings] \"Embrace me...\"\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Everybody that was in that line that I heard. And so on the way\ndown, Avon said, Muriel, what piece have you thought of you would like to do? I\nhadn't given it any thought. He said what about \"Memories of You\"? I said okay.\nSo on the way down he was humming it. He was humming it, and I'd hum it with\nhim. And then I said now I hope I don't mess up on the words. He said don't\nworry about the words. He said I'll be standing in the wing, and if I think\nyou're going to [forget], I'm going to yell out [the words] to you.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I said, all right. At this point now I'm not nervous. I just made up my mind\nI'm going to do \"Memories of You\". \"Waking skies at sunrise, every sunset too.\"\nI got it together, and we kept humming it all the way. And so when I see all\nthese people, I said what are they doing? He said auditioning. I said\neverybody's doing \"Embraceable You\". He said that's it.\n\nBefore I knew it, Daniel, somebody called Muriel Watkins. That's me. But these\npeople are right there.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right. You had a connection.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: [Avon] says come on, you heard your name, come on. And I said\n\"Oh, my.\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I walked out on the stage, floodlights followed me. I'm not used\nto that yet.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Yet.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: It was following me, and I walked up the apron, and I stood and I\nlooked down the pit, and there was this one man sitting there, waiting to find\nout what key I wanted.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Oh, your piano.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: And I'm saying, oh my goodness, I never thought of that. So I\nhummed to him. Now Mr. Warburg and these other people, they're all sitting out\nthere, but the rest is empty. So I walked down and I can't see anybody. Or just\na few sitting in that front row. The man started up with the music, and I waited\na while, took a deep breath, and I began, and I never looked back. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I didn't\nhave to hear Avon cue me in. And I finished, and when I finished I heard [makes\nclapping noise] like that. And I stood there [laughs] and the man said, okay,\nWatkins, you have another piece that you can audition with a different tempo?\nThat's when Avon said, \"Should I?\" I said okay. I said hum it along with me.\n\"Should I reveal exactly how I feel? Should I confess I love you?\" Oh, we did\nthat beautifully.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Let me fix your microphone.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the fellow got this different tempo. So we did it, and it\ncame out fine. And as I recall, Avon came out of the wings and grabbed me, and\nwe danced around the stage and then went off. I was in.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Quite an audition if you got Avon Long to dance with.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Right. So next thing I know I was told to report at such and such\na time to begin rehearsals for \"Memphis Bound\", the sepia version of H.M.S.\nPinafore, Gilbert and Sullivan. And that was a revelation. That's where I come\nin contact with all these different personalities, and Bill Robinson, that I\nthink so many had difficulty with. I didn't. Daniel, he was as nice to me as he\ncould be. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I just wondered sometime if Avon hadn't had something to do with that.\n\nBut I know there was jealousy between the two of them. And as I say, I know one\nnight there was to be no motion with the singers, and I was singing in this with\nthe Delta Rhythm Boys, forming a beat right behind us. And we were all in\ncostumes eventually. As long as Bill Robinson entered that stage, there was to\nbe no motion from any of us. You were singing like scintillating, you know, like\nthe bell. And that's the way it was going. It was beautiful. And now Avon did\nsomething extra one night. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Bill would say, what is he doing out there? What\nis he doing? Somebody said the jig's on [unclear]. The people were still\napplauding. That meant when Bill came out, he was going to over-tap to beat him.\nNow, we're not supposed to move.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Just kind of behind them.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: And the more he did it, the lighter we got, like a bell. So all\nof a sudden, the floodlight comes around following Bill Robinson. And he comes\naround, and when I know anything, Daniel, he's over me. The floodlight. And the\nperspiration, I could begin to feel it coming down. And in pantomime, he says to\nme, [whispers] \"Do you like whiskey?\" And I said -- [inaudible]. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, the\naudience went wild.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: [Laughs] They thought it was funny.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Mm-hmm. They don't know what he said. And I know that he'd get\nvery upset if he found someone was drinking. And I said to myself, now he's\ntesting me. So then when I shook my head like this, he danced off from me and\nwent all around. And when I know anything, he's back.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Uh-oh. This is on stage.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: On stage.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: In the middle of a show. And people are sitting out there\nin the audience?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: That's right. This was not in the show. Here he comes back. The\ntenor who was his deputy -- now, he's not supposed to talk either -- ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but he\nsaid, \"Muriel, if he comes back, shake your head yes and see what happens.\"\nIndeed he did. And so he comes back, and he says, [whispers] \"Do you like beer?\"\nAnd I said -- [inaudible]. Oh, they applauded. Then he takes off and says,\n\"Well, come on, baby, let's shuffle off to Buffalo.\" And he took my arm, and we\ndid one of those things right on off the stage. Do you know that had to be every\nperformance? I had to go through that every performance.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: So after that first show, then you had to keep doing it.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes. And his dancing girls got very incensed. Because at that\ntime --\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Who are you?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: -- I'm a singer. And when we came downstairs, they're spreading\ntowels out, and \"make way for the star,\" talking to me. And I said, I didn't do it.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Yeah. He did it to me.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: I didn't do it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One girl I heard saying to him, \"Pah! Why would\nyou take one of the singing girls when we're right here? We could have gotten a\nplug.\" He didn't do it.\n\nWOMAN: Isn't she something?\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: She is.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: What is that? That's for your parking permit.\n\nWOMAN: Okay.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Does he have to have it?\n\nWOMAN: Well, you want to put this in your bag? Because you got two-hour parking\nout there. Will you be here after twelve?\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Well, I tell you what. If it hits twelve o'clock, I'll go\nput it in.\n\nWOMAN: Okay.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: I thank you for that though.\n\nWOMAN: Okay. I'm going to leave it with you.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Thank you.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: So as I said, \"Honey, when they got through razzing --. 'Make way\nwith the towels, make way for the star.'\"\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: This is you.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: This is me when I came down.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: The dancing girls and the singing girls.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Changed my costume. The dancing girls came out to rib [tease] the\nsinging girls. And I said, I didn't do it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the people who had been in show\nbusiness a long time, they'd say to me, Muriel, don't get upset. They said after\na while this gets in your blood, and you don't want to do anything else. But I\ndon't think it ever got in my blood to that point where I wouldn't want to do\nanything else. But I enjoy a good performance, I don't care who does it. But\nafter I saw some of the things that happened -- How do you respect this person,\nbut you don't respect this one?\n\nAnd Bill Robinson, I'll say this about him, I really don't think he could read.\nNow nobody's ever told me that, Daniel, but if he made a mistake, and you would\nsay to him from the wings, follow through it -- ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He couldn't follow through. He'd\nhave to go all the way back to the beginning.\n\nTake this. We've already had a show. Somebody went stage left when they should\nhave gone stage right. Then what do they announce when that curtain closes at\neleven o'clock? On stage, they'd announce what happened. So you got to come back\nand go through that act until you get it right, and they'll send out and get hot\ndogs and hamburgers. And I swore I'd never eat a hamburger or a hot dog, but I do.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: You do.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Many a night my roommate and I would be going up Seventh Avenue\nat three o'clock in the morning to be back by nine. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, because somebody\nwent stage left when they should have gone stage right. And I said oh my\ngoodness, how can you all do this? And they said, Muriel, after it gets in your\nblood, you won't want to do anything else. And Avon was like that.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right. He was a showman.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: If he got out of a show or something and nothing's happening. I'd\nsay well, why don't you do something? Uh-uh. Unless it was showbiz, they don't\ndo that. I said, well, excuse me. I said, they better not. My roommate had a job\nin Washington, D.C. She was from Memphis, but a beautiful voice. And I met her\nthat first rehearsal night, and she said to me, where are you staying? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I\nsaid I'm supposed to stay with Avon and his family. She said, well, I'm at the\n[Hotel] Teresa all by myself. She said come on. Now, I didn't know this child.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Didn't know her from Adam.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Uh-uh. And she said, I've only been at the Teresa so long, but\nshe said till the show gets started. Come on stay with me. I said, well, wait a\nminute. I have to let Avon and his wife know. Common courtesy. So I did. And I\nsaid, Avon, do you mind? Do you know what he did? He said, you don't know her.\nHe was trying to prepare me now if anything happens, it's not his fault. So I\nkept sizing her up and doing the best I could. But she was green, just like I\nwas. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And she's from Memphis, but she had this job with the War Department in\nWashington, D.C. And so she said, I'm just off the boat just like you, but I'm\nwilling to try. She wanted to go farther than I did.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: You were just seeing the sights in a way.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: This was a whim. And so she did -- she went abroad during the\nwar, and I didn't. Un uh. So she said I could have had a reading for [Philip\nYordan's] Anna Lucasta [a stage play]. You've heard of Anna Lucasta? I didn't\ntake that. Instead I ended up in Social Security in New York. I didn't ask for\nthat. I couldn't think of my Social Security number, and I told them to call the\nhome office. And the woman said that's right, that's the home office. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They\ncalled and got it, and then she said to me, take the exam up here. And I said,\nbut I can go back there. She said take the exam up here. My roommate says to me,\nMuriel, try it just to see what you can do. And I said I haven't touched the\ntypewriter since I've been up here. They said try it. They gave me a time for\nthat, and it was down in the lower section of New York. It looked like so much\nwas going on down there, and I'm green. But then I get to this place where you\ntake this exam, see these girls, fellows. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My roommate said to me, now when she\nsays start, you take your time because accuracy is more important.\n\nI said to myself, if anybody in Baltimore would see me up here applying for\nSocial Security when I can go back there -- I sat there and this woman rang the\nbell, and everybody started and they were going to town. I took my time like\nLorraine [phonetic] told me. She's sitting outside waiting. Do you know I passed it?\n\nAnd the next thing I know they're fingerprinting me. I told my son the other\nday, I said, I got fingerprints in New York as well as in Baltimore. And he\nsaid, that's right, mother, I never thought of that.\n\nThey gave me a room with a desk and all this stuff where I was to work. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I\nwent that Monday, and Lorraine and I left that building, we laughed all the way\nhome. I said if I had been trying to get a job in New York it wouldn't have\nhappened. And she said that's the way life is.\n\nI did tell the person who interviewed me, in the event I have to go back to\nBaltimore, would you consider my roommate? Best move I made. She got the job.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Oh wonderful.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: I left. [Lorraine] went up to grade eleven [government staff\nrank]. A supervisor, went back, got her master's degree, and ended up vice\nprincipal of a school in Brooklyn.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is your roommate who wanted to be in showbiz too?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yeah. And if I hadn't said to the woman, would you consider --\nNow my mother got sick in the meantime when I got this job, and they said come\nhome and I did. That' s when I told the lady please consider her.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: So when you were doing the Social Security work, you\nstopped doing show business?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Oh yeah, the show ended. The show had ended because I told you it\nwent into the Belasco [Theatre] on the side street, and people don't see those\nside streets. Some of them, after they live the big time. So anyway, I can't\neven remember how long they were in the Belasco.\n\nBut I remember going to the Tremont Theatre in Boston. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had a special train,\nand Bill Robinson walked that train, coach after coach after coach, checking his\npeople, and the people he knew that he suspected of drink or whatever, he was on\nthem like white on rice. Yes, he was. He did not approve. And so we did Tremont\nand then we came back into the Broadway. Well, that was heaven there. But then\nthat's when you see all these jealousies coming out. And that's when I was in\nthe show.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Dancing with [Bill].\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yeah. \"Come on baby, let's shuffle off to Buffalo,\" he said. And\nhe took my arm, and we did. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Every performance, matinee or night.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: And so after this show, you just realized it wasn't for you?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Oh yeah. I said no way. I couldn't.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: You were good evidently, if he picked you.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: I enjoyed that. But I couldn't do that for a life. No. It's hard.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: So it wasn't the music and the dancing, it was the people.\nOr a little bit of both.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: I guess the routine. I just wasn't accustomed then to coming up\nSeventh Avenue at three o'clock in the morning. The two of us. Lorraine, she\njust as green. We said we're right off the boat. And there was a little\nrestaurant across from the theater that stayed open all night, and we'd be\ncoming up, and we'd go over to this restaurant, and the lady was so nice. Well,\nshe was used to show business ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people. And she'd say, what do you want tonight?\nAnd we'd say, this is breakfast. You know, we're coming up. We've had these\nhamburgers and hot dogs. And say, we'd like a salad or something green. And\nshe'd make a nice salad. You know where we would put it? In the bureau drawer.\nWell, you know it's going to turn brown. The next time we' d look at it, we'd\nsay \"oh, my.\" And we would laugh. We'd say, oh, don't tell those people who are\nso well seasoned that we're doing these things.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Where' s Baltimore in all this while you're in New York?\nWith your family. Were you coming back periodically?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1680.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I came down on that milk train, on Sunday night, because we were\noff on Monday, and I could see her. And we would come down. It stopped at every\nstation. But I was on it. And I would be back in time for a show for Tuesday.\nBut that's why I'm saying I couldn't do that all the time.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: And your family was okay with this?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Oh yeah. My mother and father, they did beautifully. They really\ndid. And with my son being at Boston University, he wasn't even with his father.\nAnd then later we divorced, and he never married again.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: He was still in New York.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: But I did. Well, I was back, I came back to Baltimore, went on\nback to Social Security.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1740.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When did you come back?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: And stayed seventeen years. And came out in 1960 for good. That's\nwhen this second husband and I traveled. He had been in the service.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: This is where the name Fulton comes in, I guess.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Uh-huh. He and his brother had a cleaning plant here in\nBaltimore, and I had met him before service and all, but never dreamed that I'd\nbe Mrs. Fulton. But I was. And he was thirty-seven. I was thirty-six when I\nmarried him. And he had never been married. And I've had two mothers-in-law, and\nboth of them were wonderful. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1800.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it's been quite a life.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: And you came back to West Baltimore and moved on Madison\nStreet. [crosstalk]\n\nMURIEL FULTON: He had made it very plain that he would like to marry me. And I\nsaid no. Somebody has got to love my children. But I think the main thing about\nhim was that he had not been married. And he and my children got along fine. So\nthat helped. His mother was very fond of me, and he was her middle son. She had\nthree, and the other two had married and left and all. So I said to myself, no,\nand I don't want any more children. I told him that. So I said, don't be\nexpecting. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1860.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He said, I thought you would change your mind. I never did. But he\nnever let it interfere. Because we had a wonderful marriage. I was older and was ready.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: You'd been in New York and you'd had a chance to play around.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: That's right. And after the Al Gould, I didn't need that.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Did you miss New York when you came back?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: For a while. But I think the excitement and all that, I had a\ntaste of it. I could see where it leads some, and I also can see how you can\nbecome so involved. Like I say, Avon wasn't going to do anything else. He could\nbe out of a job for ages. I said, well, why don't you do something? Uh-uh. This\nis my life.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1920.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He wanted to be a minister one time. Do you see that? He would have made a good one.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right. He had the personality to be.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: He was just audience oriented. He just knew what would make the\naudience happy. But he had some bad breaks like many people.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Were you around him during those bad breaks?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Not really.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: You stayed in contact with him though?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Oh yeah, but not really. I mean his wife, and she's a wonderful\nperson. And \"her Avon\" and \"his Gretchen,\" and that's how it was. My Gretchen\nand her Avon. We were trying to reach her before you came. But her line stayed\nbusy. She's very artistic. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=1980.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now after he died, she had an art sale or something\nbecause he had told me, now I think she thinks she's really an artist.\n\nYou know, he used to say little things like that. I don't think he'd say it to\nanybody. But anyway, he'd say to me, now Gretchen thinks she can dance, Muriel.\nI'd say, well, she's in the Cotton Club. \"Yeah, I know.\" But look at what those\nother girls are doing, look how important it's going. Look at that. That's what\nhe'd be doing, telling me.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: He had a critical eye.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: But I don't think he'd say it to her. Or he might say, \"Gretchen,\nyou learn to dance a little better than that.\" You know, something like that.\nBut I mean she made it all as far as she wanted to go, and she certainly was an\nexcellent wife and mother. So as I say, I stopped communicating after he passed.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2040.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I didn't get to her art show. Because she invited me.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: This was in the '80s, I'm guessing.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: He died in '84. This is after his death. And as far as I know,\nDan, she's still in that apartment. I may be wrong. But we're going to keep on\nuntil we get her and see what's happening with her. I'm sure she's a\ngrandmother. Maybe several times now. But if he was living, we'd know.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Did he stay in touch with many people in Baltimore or just\na couple of you?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Well, his family was here, his immediate family, but I guess\nthey've all died out.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: He had a brother, didn't he?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: And he used to go to Emmanuel Church at Carrollton and Lanvale.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2100.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had a brother, didn't he?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yeah. Louis. He sang too. Avon used to say he sings better than I do.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: I heard someone say he was a good singer.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes, that he sings better.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: But he' s not still around?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Now, I don't know. They were in East Baltimore. I don't know\nwhether [Louis] is still around or not, or whether I would recognize him. But I\nwould recognize some of the females of the family, but I think they're gone too.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: You know, going back in time, I'm curious when you're doing\nshowbiz, and when you' re coming back and forth between Baltimore and New York,\nwas showbiz different being African American than being White? I mean, did you\nfeel a difference at that point? Did Avon feel a difference?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: In Massachusetts, I think there was many times like going to the\ntheater. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2160.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You didn't have to sit up in the peanut gallery or in the back. Going\nin the stores, ordering. Because I can remember when my first husband,\nEllsworth, came down here and went to Stewart's to get something for me. He was\nasked are you getting this for your madam.\n\nHe said yes I am. And they served him. Another time he went into Grant's.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Department store?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: You know, it was not a ten-cent store like we did have down on\nLexington Street. And one time I went in with my mother, and it was crowded. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2220.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm\nhere and my mother is here. But a girl went to my mother first, and another one\ncame to me. And I said, a hot dog and root beer, and my mother got what she\nwanted, and when they brought it, they brought me a paper cup and they brought\nmy mother a glass.\n\nYou know what my mother did? She said, miss, please come here. She said I prefer\na paper cup. She said I can' t do this. She said I see you washing, slopping\nthose glasses in that dirty water. I don' t want a glass. So I said to my mother\nI'm not coming downtown with you.\n\nAnd my father would say the same thing. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2280.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"I'm not going with your mother.\" So\nanother time we went to the shoe store down on Lexington Street. My mother saw\nthe shoe that she wanted for me in the window, and so here was this young little\nfellow who was working his way through college. That's what he said. My mother\nsaid the number is 4698 or something. He climbed up the ladder and he got the\nshoe and brought it down. She just looked at it. \"No.\" He put it down. He said,\nwell what about the one over there? She had him go up and down, up and down.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Oh, that's funny.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: And he was just doing it. She said, young man, what are you\ndoing? He says I'm trying to work my way through college. She said, well, I hope\nyou have success.\n\nSo that was the same day. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2340.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The same time we were in the store, and my mother\nwanted to get me a hat. And the lady told my mother she can't try it on. My\nmother said she can't try it on, and I' m going to pay you for it. She said, no,\nyou're not permitted. She said, well, I tell you what. She took the hat and\ntossed it over on the counter. She said I tell you what -- before this day is\nover, I'm going home and send my sister down. And you won' t know the\ndifference. My mother didn't even have a sister. Now, all day that woman be\nwatching to see who. So I said to my mother, I said, mama, it's not worth it.\nI'm not going downtown. My father said I told you.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Because she could go anyway, but I couldn't.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2400.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, how could she go?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Because she was fair skinned.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: I'm curious -- when you came back to Baltimore, you started\nsinging in the choir at Douglas [Church].\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes. I stayed in the choir for years, until way after the kids\ngot in. You know, like I was helping. I had to lead. And I started reading for\nother blind students, and students that went to Morgan. And when I applied for\nher, you know what Dr. [Martin David] Jenkins told me?\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: What's that?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: He was sorry. He couldn't admit her. She's finished her stay at\nthe Maryland School for the Blind. She did so well they recommended her to take\nher last two years with the seeing at Douglass High. And she graduated.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2460.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From Douglass?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes. And she's ready to go to college, and Dr. Jenkins called and\ntold me he couldn't admit her. I said, you tell me why. He said women present so\nmuch of a problem. I said how would you know? You've never had one. [Laughter]\nRight then, Daniel, I was up to here. So I said, do you know my daughter? \"No, I\ndon't.\" I said, well, would you grant her an interview? He thought about it for\na moment, and he said yes. I said all right, then after the interview, and you\nstill feel the same way, then I'll take it from there. Because you have had two\nblind fellows and I have read for them. So I said to her father, Ellsworth\nWilson, you take her because I'm up to here.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2520.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He said, all right. I'll take her, and he took her. I said, and let her do the\ntalking. I even sent her to Michigan to get a leader dog. She had a dog and [it]\nwent to that interview, I know that night the telephone was jumping off the\nhook, [from] Dr. Jenkins. \"Mrs. Fulton, your daughter will be admitted.\" I said,\nthank you, Dr. Jenkins. He said, and I'm calling the students together to let\nthem know not to pet the dog. The dog is there to work. But they did pet her,\nand she loved it. The dog loved it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2580.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So she finished Morgan in '57. She was secretary of her class. She was\nsomething. There she is.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Oh, that's great.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Where are the ones of the graduating -- here it is. And the\nfellow she married, her first husband, was in the graduating class. And his\npicture's in there. The father of her son. And her son is doing well.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2640.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So when you came back having seen New York and been on\nBroadway -- when you're sitting there at Douglas Memorial, do you feel a little different?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: They may have expected me to be different, but I wasn't. Because\nReverend Douglas was still around when I came back, and he was so kind. Where is\nOwtha [phonetic]? Now I know he's on here.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Did you ever talk to Anne Wiggins Brown much anymore after\nshe left?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Oh yeah. As I said, she's been here several times. Because even\nwhen Juanita Mitchell married Clarence Mitchell -- the Clarence Mitchell, who is\nin our class, he was the Congressman. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2700.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We call him Congressman. I can't see that\nboy's picture. Anyway, Annie was in New York. I think she must have been still\nin school, because she came down and sang in Sharp Street Church for Clarence\nand Juanita's wedding. And at the end a lot of our classmates went over to\nPennsylvania Station. They were going to go to Bermuda, and we formed a great\ncircle around that inside and sang \"Nita, Juanita.\"\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: That's great.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Sure did.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Now, I think it was Anne Wiggins Brown that at one point\nshe was going to sing at the Lyric, and she sang in a church instead. I think\nshe was supposed to sing at the Lyric, and they wouldn't let her sing at the\nLyric Theatre.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2760.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, they wouldn't let her sing anywhere.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: And so she sang at some of the Black churches instead, like\nSharp Street.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Yes. She sang anywhere that they would let her. Because she could\nsing. And of course we'd heard her all through high school, and we'd put her up\nagainst anyone. And even when she'd come back here, she never got to the point\nthat she forgot her old friends. She never did. And I know because one time she\nwas at a theater in New York, and I went to see her. And I wrote a note and sent\nit back, and she answered, told me come back after the show. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2820.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She always remained\nthe same Annie Brown. And now she's Anne. And when she's here, she gets in touch\nwith Eugene Prettyman, Johnny Cothorn -- he's gone now -- and with me, and\nothers. And I ended up living on the same street she used to live. I was 1817\nMadison Avenue, and her family home is right up at 1833.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: That's not too far from Douglas Memorial.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: No, that's right. Douglas is the 1300 block. I've even lived on\nthat block before they built the gymnasium for the school.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Right.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: And isn't that funny? Oh here he is. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2880.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Owtha Spriggs [phonetic],\nthat's her first husband. Is that what it says?\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: It even lists what all they want to do. Does it say what\nyour daughter wants to do? \"To specialize in teaching the deaf and the blind.\"\n\nMURIEL FULTON: She's teaching the blind. Yeah.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: That's great.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: I want to hear you play something, Dan.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Alright, I can play something. Thank you for your time.\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Thank you for coming into my life at this stage -- ninety years old.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: We sure enjoy listening to what you have to say. Do you have any words of wisdom for the rest of us?\n\nMURIEL FULTON: Every little bit helps. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=2940.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414/transcript/39156/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Somewhere along the line, you may remember something that I said. The quality of life now is important -- I get weary but I'm thankful and grateful because I'm a cancer survivor.\n\nDANIEL THOMAS DAVIS: Congratulations.\n\n[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44130/file/117414#t=3000.0,3060.0"}]}]}]}