{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/iiif/m03xs5k13z/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Audrey McCallum oral history, approximately 2000"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/008/original/peabody-institute.logo.large.horizontal.blue.cropped.png?1549570058","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAudrey Cyrus McCallum was the first African-American student to attend the Peabody Preparatory division. She went on to study at the Peabody Conservatory with Julio Esteban, graduating with a Bachelor of Music degree in 1960 and a master's in Music Education in 1967. She began her career as a music teacher in the Baltimore public schools, particularly Western High School, where she taught for 22 years. She is a member of the faculty of Morgan State University. Audrey McCallum is in constant demand as a piano soloist, choral accompanist and church musician in and around the Baltimore metropolitan area. Interview with Elizabeth Schaaf.\u003c/p\u003e (Abstract)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2000? (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["McCallum, Audrey, 1938- (Interviewee)","Schaaf, Elizabeth M. (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English (Primary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["audio/mp3"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins University"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThe collection is open for use. Contact peabodyarchives@lists.jhu.edu for more information.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://aspace.library.jhu.edu/repositories/4/archival_objects/215373"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAudrey Cyrus McCallum was the first African-American student to attend the Peabody Preparatory division. She went on to study at the Peabody Conservatory with Julio Esteban, graduating with a Bachelor of Music degree in 1960 and a master's in Music Education in 1967. She began her career as a music teacher in the Baltimore public schools, particularly Western High School, where she taught for 22 years. She is a member of the faculty of Morgan State University. Audrey McCallum is in constant demand as a piano soloist, choral accompanist and church musician in and around the Baltimore metropolitan area. Interview with Elizabeth Schaaf.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThe collection is open for use. Contact peabodyarchives@lists.jhu.edu for more information.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins University"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Peabody Institute of the Johns Hopkins University"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/008/original/peabody-institute.logo.large.horizontal.blue.cropped.png?1549570058","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/117/451/small/mccallum_photoshop.jpg?1650138091","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 2 - pims0091_McCallumA_2_01.mp3"]},"duration":2924.04245,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/117/451/small/mccallum_photoshop.jpg?1650138091","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-peabody.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/117/451/original/pims0091_McCallumA_2_01.mp3?1624270904","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":2924.04245,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["McCallumA_2000_1_OHMS_20220608 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ELIZABETH SCHAAF: All right. I think I'd like to start by asking you to\nintroduce yourself and tell us where you were born and, if you care to, you can\ntell us when. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: I don't mind telling you where and when. I am Audrey Cyrus\nMcCallum. I was born in 1938 in Timmonsville, South Carolina. I am one of five\nchildren. I have one brother, one brother died, and I have two sisters. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My\nparents, Mawby and Dorothy Cyrus had great love and passion for music, and even\nthough they were not musically educated, they recognized and realized the\nimportance of musical study. They were totally dedicated and committed to our music.  \n\n  \n\nMy father played by ear, and I believe that is the source of my musical talent.\nMy sister, Katie, is an organist and realtor. She attended the Peabody\nPreparatory School as well, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the Conservatory for two years. I often accompany\nher choirs at Heritage United Church of Christ. \n\n  \n\nMy sister, Ann, studied voice with Fannie Newton Moragne at the Baltimore\nInstitute of Musical Arts.  \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Tell me a little bit about your father. He used to play a lot\naround town, and I understand he was held in high regard for his musical\ntalents, even though he was self-taught. Can you tell me about where he played\nand who he played for? \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: My dad, he's been dead about twenty years now, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he played in the\nragtime style from what I can remember. Unfortunately, I really don't have any\ntapes so that I can listen to his music now. But I remember him telling me that\nthere were house parties in the South, and because there were no bands around,\nhe would play the piano. So I'm sure that's where I have picked up the\nimprovisational style, from having heard him play when I was a child at home.  \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: When did they move to Baltimore? \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We moved to Baltimore when I was about four or five years of\nage. So my father never really played here in Baltimore. I would hear him\nplaying our piano at home. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Where did you settle when you moved to Baltimore? \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: When we came to Baltimore, we lived on Lafayette Avenue at the\ntime. We were there, I would say, about two or three years, and then we moved to\nForest Street, which is in front of the Maryland Penitentiary. It was not that\nfar away from Peabody.  \n\n  \n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So when I did attend the Preparatory School, I would walk up Madison, I think it\nwas Madison Street and, if I remember correctly, it was also Monument Street and\nit took about ten minutes to get to Peabody. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now, as I recall, you had, like many musicians, support for\nyour talent from your church, didn't you? \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: I had -- not necessarily musicians from my church, but as I\nlearned to play, I could read well, and I could improvise, so people in the\ncommunity who were musicians would ask me to play. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were not many musicians\nat that time who could play the piano and read. So I was the one that got the\njob. [Laughter] I have a few of them that I would like to acknowledge at this time.  \n\n  \n\nThe following people were excellent musicians with very high moral character.\nThey were very demanding, tough, dignified, and loved their music with a passion.  \n\n  \n\nThe first person I would like to recognize is Miriam Sachs. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was very\ndignified and elegant. She gave me an opportunity to study at the Peabody\nPreparatory School with her when I was around -- I guess eleven or twelve years\nof age. We were very fortunate in that she took me on as a student with no\nproblem at all. I'm sure I've spoken to her about it. It happened at a time when\nthat was not the norm. But she did so willingly. She gave me a scholarship to\nthe Preparatory School. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I shall never forget her thorough approach to teaching,\nher determination, dedication, and sincerity to mold me into a quality musician.\nShe taught me the basic skills and techniques that I have used for all of these years. \n\n  \n\nJulio Esteban was my conservatory teacher. He continued to guide me in building\nconfidence, technique, professional artistry as a pianist. I remember his great\nsense of humor.  \n\n  \n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mildred Williams was my high school music teacher. I could never forget Mildred\nWilliams who was my mentor and high school music teacher. She made me an\naccompanist when I became a member of her girls' chorus. I admired her and\nwanted to be like her. She received the utmost respect from her students. I\nremember her as a marvelous teacher, who was very demanding. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I believe I learned\nto sight-read and accompany from her giving me the opportunity to experience\nthese things as an accompanist. \n\n  \n\nThere are a few others who were at Dunbar who contributed to my musical\neducation. They were Dolores Williams, Jeanette Blanc, John Miller, and Lucille\nMarcus Brooks.  \n\n  \n\nFannie Newton Moragne. Mrs. Moragne honored me by inviting me to come to the\nBaltimore Institute of Musical Arts to accompany her students and accompany her\nrecitals when she sang. I was only a young teenager and felt extremely special\nto have been asked. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember once, when I played for her, there was a musician\nwho was an excellent accompanist who asked if she wanted him to play for her\nbecause I was so young, but she said very emphatically, no, I'm fine.  \n\n  \n\nThese opportunities helped me to become familiar with the vocal literature,\nimprove my sight reading and gain confidence as an accompanist.  \n\n  \n\nAnother musician, Morris Queen. He is an excellent organist and choral director.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I used to accompany [for him]. He is retired now. I used to accompany the\nMessiah presented by his chapel choir for many years at Sharp Street Methodist Church. \n\n  \n\nJames Holliman was a band director who taught many youngsters in the East\nBaltimore community at home. I served as his accompanist as a youngster. We\nperformed at many functions and churches in the community. One of our favorite\nfunctions was the Blue Ribbon Tea, which was the biggest event every year. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This\nwas held at the Dunbar High School. \n\n  \n\nReverend and Mrs. Eugene T. Grove. Reverend Grove was my first pastor at the\nGrace Memorial Baptist Church. His wife became my first piano teacher. I was\ngiven many opportunities to play at church. This contributed much to advance my talents. \n\n  \n\nMercedes Douglas Wilson. I accompanied her Palm Sunday musicale at Knox\nPresbyterian Church for many years. She was probably the first to use an\nensemble from the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We performed cantatas and\noratorios such as the Mass in G by Schubert and the Seven Last Words.  \n\n  \n\nClarence Henderson has a group called the Alton Singers. They still exist. I am\nthe accompanist. He is an excellent conductor and musician who knows the choral\nliterature and the voice. I have gained a lot from his knowledge and expertise. \n\n  \n\nReverend Daniel Rideout conducted the Great Hymns Choir. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As a teenager, I\naccompanied that group and learned much about the hymns of the church. He had a\nunique interpretation that gave more meaning to the hymns. Murray Schmoke became\ndirector after Reverend Rideout's death.  \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: You've mentioned a lot of wonderful people. I had the pleasure\nof interviewing Miss Brooks, and what a lovely lady she is. When did you meet\nMiss Brooks? \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: When I met her, she was Mrs. Marcus at that time. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was so\nlong ago. I had just become a student at Dunbar High School in 1950. She taught\nmusic. She is now in her nineties and very alert. She improvises as well, so I\nalways enjoyed hearing her play. She had a boys' chorus at that time, and I can\nremember that she used me as an accompanist. That's how I became familiar with\nlots of musicians who were in the Baltimore area.  \n\n  \n\nI have also had the privilege and pleasure of teaching her granddaughter at\nWestern High School. So I've known her for a long time, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and her daughter was\nalso a music teacher in the Baltimore school system. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Lovely to see all of these generations staying in the\nprofession and carrying on.  \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Yes. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And going back to your Peabody days, when you first came to\nthe Preparatory Department. The scholarship competition, especially for a\npianist, is really tough. So you had two hurdles, first being an African\nAmerican student and being the first to hop over that color bar. Then there was\nthe flat-out competition to get a scholarship in that field. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Well, I have to give the credit to Miss Sachs. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because she\nrealized my talent because I studied with her at home before the Peabody opened\nits doors to Blacks. And she taught piano there -- she just brought me to the\nschool and gave me free, well I considered it to be free, piano lessons at that time. \n\n  \n\nWhen I studied with her at home, my mother and father paid for my lessons and,\nfor a while the church, Grace Memorial, paid for my lessons for several years.  \n\n  \n\nSo when she brought me to the school, she gave me a full scholarship, and I will\nnever forget that. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I loved taking ear training with Miss [Bessie] Lippy, who was\nthe teacher at that time. I took four years of ear training, and because, I\nsuppose, I was gifted, she permitted me to drop the first year. At that time I\nhad no idea that this would have as much meaning for me as it does now. I can\nnever forget Miss Sachs who is now, I think, eighty-one or eighty-two. She did\nit willingly, even though in those years it was not the thing to do, I suppose.\nBut I'm very proud that she did.  \n\n  \n\nAnd when I graduated from high school, I received a Senatorial Scholarship. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It\nwas competitive in that I had to take an exam, and the senator from my district,\nAnthony F. DiDomenico awarded me one of the Senatorial Scholarships to study at\nthe Conservatory. That's when I met Mr. Esteban, who was a wonderful teacher. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now you were part of that first group of African American\nstudents who came into Peabody. I found it so interesting, going back to look at\nthat first dozen or so students. Music is not an easy profession. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Right. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: It's a hard calling. And when you go in, you have no idea\nwhether you're going to be able to achieve what you set out for. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Every single\none of that first dozen made it. They all got the careers that they set out for. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: I believe they did, I remember. I see Junetta Jones frequently\nbecause she works with my daughter at the office -- it used to be the Mayor's\nAdvisory on Art and Culture. My daughter works with community arts, and now they\nhave become the Office of Promotion in Tourism. So Junetta Jones works there,\nand I see her frequently. I don't see Veronica Tyler, but I know she's doing well. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: She's still out there performing and doing very well indeed. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: I think I saw her last when she sang for Morgan, for one of our\nChristmas programs. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Also Myrtle Mack Dutton, I remember. We are very close now,\nand I see her often. Then there was Percy Brown! I think Junetta and Veronica\nwere there with me in the first year, and then, the second year, I remember that\nMyrtle Mack Dutton was -- it wasn't Dutton then, it was Myrtle Mack -- and Percy\nBrown and Eddie Myers. No, not Eddie Myers. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: William Myers. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: William Myers, we called him Bill, was there at that time. Then\nwe had -- oh, my goodness, that name escapes me, but he was a pianist and I was\nhis big sister. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Maurice Murphy. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Maurice Murphy. [Laughter] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maurice Murphy, who is now teaching\nat Coppin State College. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And is still playing. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: And still playing. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: At St. Luke's. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Oh, maybe he is at St. Luke's. There was another Catholic\nchurch where he played, but I don't think it was St. Luke's at the time. He may\nbe there now. And I believe that there were several others who came. My sister\ncame in my junior year to Peabody -- Katie. And there was a young lady who was\nthe sister of one of the Colts players, and I can't remember her name now. But\nthey were the students who were there when I was there.  \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And they all did very well. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: They all did very well. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Veronica went on to sing with the Boston Symphony Orchestra. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: She did. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And sang at La Phoenicia. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: And she came back to Peabody. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And came back to Peabody. And Junetta went on to the Met. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: She sure did! \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And on to Europe. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: And Boston Conservatory. I never had any problems. I loved\neverything I did. I knew there were some, but I never ran into any problems\nthere because I loved theory and ear training.  \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yes. You were one of those. [Laughter]  \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Yes. I loved theory and ear training. I enjoyed all of the\ncourses, and didn't have to take a lot of academic courses at that time. We did\nhave speech and English composition and literature. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had teachers who came to\nthe school. I took some humanities courses at Johns Hopkins. I did not attend\nMorgan. And what else did we have? Academic speech, but we had a teacher who\ncame to the Conservatory to teach that. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now, did Mr. Esteban and your other teachers know that you had\nthis other life in the world of jazz? \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: No, I'm not a jazz musician, but I do like to play things from\nmusicals and popular music, but I'm not a jazz player. [Haven] Hensler, who\ntaught theory, knew about my ear because, from time to time he would hear me on\nthe piano, and if we had to perform at the piano, then I was the one. It only\ntook me a second to look at the melody that she had on the board and I could\nharmonize it in no time. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I enjoyed taking the semester when we had yearly\nexams. I would go in -- we had, I guess, two hours for the exam, and I would be\nout in fifteen minutes. And I just loved it. [Laughter] \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: The atmosphere at Peabody -- everyone that I talked to, in\nthat first group, said it was fine inside. It was when you went out on Mt.\nVernon Place. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Yes. It was wonderful inside because I loved all of my courses.\nI loved every last one of them. And even outside I really didn't have a problem\nbecause I never went to the lunch places or restaurants in the area. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, you were so close to home. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Yes, I was close to home so I would go home. After class, if I\nhad two or three hours, I would go home. We had a wonderful place on the second\nlevel there where we could get the most tasty sandwiches. I loved tuna fish and\nchicken salad. And the Cokes were, I think, cost about six cents at that time. I\nwould make sure that every day I went in there to get a chicken salad sandwich. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Miss [Melinda] Newton was wonderful. She was so nice. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Yes. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now, tell me about Mr. Walters. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Mr. Walters took me to school. By the way, his daughter\n[Jeannette] came here in my junior year to study. She was outstanding, and she\nsang many times with the Baltimore Symphony. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She sang with one of the top\npianists in the country, probably in the world, because he won the Tchaikovsky\ncompetitions. I can't think of his name. But anyway, he had a group with which\nshe sang, and her brother also played with them. \n\n  \n\nMr. Walters took me to school. He drove a cab for twenty-five of my thirty years\n-- maybe twenty-eight of my thirty years, every morning. He would pick my mother\nup, bring her to my home so she could keep my children, then he would take me to\nschool, and he did that for twenty-eight years.  \n\n  \n\nAnd his daughter also went to Dunbar High School. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1680.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She attended Dunbar High\nSchool and came to Peabody in my junior year. She was a marvelous soprano.  \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And a wonderful, warm person. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Very warm. So I still remember him. Every year I send him a\nbirthday card in January to let him know that I'm very thankful for all those\nyears that he came to get me and he never missed. Even on ice and snow days, he\nwould come to pick me up seven-thirty in the morning. So I'm very appreciative\nof that. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, I think he regards you as his honorary daughter. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: I believe he does. [Laughter] \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I couldn't help thinking, when I met Mr. Walters and Mrs.\nWalters, what wonderful parents they must have been. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1740.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had to be. And, of course, I don't know whether she told\nyou, but she is a church organist. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yes. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: And he sang with two of the groups that I accompanied. That was\nthe Great Hymns Choir. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, he never let on about this. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Well, he did. He sang. And he was the choir director at the\nchurch where his wife plays. And he sang with the Great Hymns Choir and the\nChapel Choir. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: With Mr. Queen. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Yes, with Mr. Queen. He recently retired from that. But that's\nwhere I got to know him as well. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, he has the most beautiful speaking voice. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: He does, and he's quite religious himself. Even though he\nprobably wouldn't say that. But he did direct their choir at church for many years. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now where did his talent come from? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1800.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did he ever tell you? \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: He never told me, but I think I remember him saying to me at\none time that his sister -- because we were talking about Jeannette's talent and\nwhere she probably got her gift -- and I think he said he had a sister who had\nthe most beautiful soprano voice. I'm not sure, but I think he told me that\nonce. So maybe there was, somewhere, some family member and the genes spread\ndown to him and his family. I don't know. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now what about your father? Did he ever talk about how he got\nstarted playing the piano? \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: My dad obviously just had a great ear. And because, you know,\nin those days, I guess when they got together with friends and they had little\nparties, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1860.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or I guess maybe something at the house because there weren't many\nplaces to go in the South, he would sit down and play and because of the style\nof the day, it happened to be ragtime. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now Mr. Walters was telling me about how -- I heard this from\nMr. Roy McCoy, about rent parties -- that if you could play music, back in those\nearly days -- \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Yes, early days, because I've never heard of rent parties -- \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: -- at house parties they would get together to have everybody\npitch in and help out with the rent. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Well, I don't know about -- you said rent parties?  \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Right. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: I thought you said ranch parties. Well, that might have\nhappened. I can believe that. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1920.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I believe they probably had a good time on the\nweekends when there was no place to go or nothing to do. As a matter of fact, I\nreally didn't do very much even in the '50s because I spent all of my time\nplaying for all of these groups. I enjoyed it and I was never home. I would talk\nto my friends from school on the telephone. They'd call me, I would call them.  \n\n  \n\nAnd I was very close to my sisters. We went everywhere and did everything\ntogether when we did go. And because there was not much to do, we went to the\nmovies when we had the opportunity. But for the most part, I spent a lot of time\nat church practically every night in the week for Bible study or this choir\nrehearsal or that choir rehearsal or practice. Of course I had to have time for\nmy school work because I was an honor student at Dunbar High School.  \n\n  \n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=1980.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And upon graduation, I guess I should say it now because I won't probably have\nanother opportunity to say this, I graduated as an honor student, and I received\nthe music award. I won an AKA Scholarship for my books to study at Peabody, and\nthat check stayed in the president's office. I forgot who the president was at\nthat time. \n\n  \n\nThere was an office building near the library down in the basement. I guess it\nwas a basement. I don't see it there now. And they kept that, the money from the\nscholarship, and every time I needed a book, I would go down and tell them I had\nto have a book, and they would write a check to the bookstore. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=2040.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So those funds\npaid for my books at Peabody.  \n\n  \n\nAnd then I won the Dunbar High School Faculty Medal as well as the Senatorial\nScholarship from my senator in the Second District, Anthony F. DiDomenico.  \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So growing up was church and school for the most. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Church and school for the most part. And, you know, I didn't\nreally -- I guess there was not much you could do. I could have, maybe I could\nhave gone ice skating or roller skating, but that was not on my list of things.  \n\n  \n\nI didn't have time because I would play all the choirs at the school. And we had\na spring musical. So I played for those things. And then we also had a Christmas\nconcert so I played for that. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=2100.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"With practice for all of those concerts and\nevents, I just didn't have time for anything else. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: When you started, you had music education at Peabody as well.  \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Yes. Yes, I did.  \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: That meant that you had to go out and do practice teaching. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Student teaching. Yes, we did, and we had the most wonderful\nperson, Mary Hunter, who was the director of music education. And I practice\ntaught at School, I don't even remember the number of the school, but it was up\non Reisterstown Road. I think it was School 67, an elementary school. \n\n  \n\nI also practice-taught at Lemmel Junior High School, it was at that time. I\npractice taught at Douglass Senior High School under Lois Wright, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=2160.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who was the\nfirst wife of Wendell Wright. I had the most wonderful experiences doing my\nstudent teaching. \n\n  \n\nAnd, of course, my first job was at Dunbar High School with my former teachers,\nand where I had grown up. And I had the opportunity to do a play, and I stayed\nthere for six years. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So you really did get to follow in Miss Williams' footsteps. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: I did because I went back to teach, and those persons who were\nmentioned earlier were instrumental in developing me and molding me into the\nperson that I am today. And I didn't realize how much it would mean today, but\nit means a lot when I look back. And I am one who believes that you should never\nforget the people who brought you across or to this point. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=2220.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I try not to\nforget anybody. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: But you had such good people. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: I had wonderful people because they were, oh my goodness, we\nwere important. The students were important to them, and they never missed a day\nof school. I mean, maybe once in a while, but it was so seldom. They were always\nthere for us, and they pushed us. And they saw to it that we made another step\nthat directed me in the proper direction. \n\n  \n\nSo I had a lot of people who were behind me. In teaching, I did list the schools\nwhere I taught during my career, and I think I should mention them because I\nmight never get this opportunity again. I taught at Dunbar High School, Harlem\nPark Junior High School, at City College. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=2280.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I taught at Lemmel Junior High School,\nand then I was at Western for twenty-two of my thirty years. So I loved it there\nbecause we were able to do many things.  \n\n  \n\nI had a great choir when I left, a concert choir. I had a choir called Sounds\nUnlimited, and we sang popular music. But we also had some wonderful supervisors\nof music at that time. We had Donald Regier, and there was a man by the name of\nMr. Service [phonetic], who left the city, but he was there when I came. I was\nvery sad when Dr. Regier left to come to Baltimore County. We had Dr. Marion\nMagill, who was there as supervisor at one time. And those people were aware of\nthe talents of the teachers, and they did all they could to promote those\ntalents. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=2340.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because Dr. Regier realized my gifts and sent me to Western High\nSchool, and that was one of the best situations that I enjoyed. \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: The brightest kids in the school system. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: The brightest youngsters, and I had youngsters like Kenneithia\nRedden-Mitchell. She graduated when I retired in 1990. I thought she was going\nto Florida State University, and I wrote a letter of recommendation. And she\ncame to Morgan, and I began teaching there. Dr. Carter, when I retired from the\nschool system, asked me to come to Morgan. I went there to teach, and she came\nthere at the same time. She graduated and went to Juilliard, and now she's\nconcertizing here in Baltimore, and actually, all over the world.  \n\n  \n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=2400.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She graduated from Morgan, went to Juilliard, and she's sung with the Baltimore\nSymphony and other orchestras, and she's doing marvelous work.  \n\n  \n\nI have another youngster whose name is Jocelyn Taylor, who also graduated from\nWestern, who had her debut at Carnegie Hall. That was several years ago, but she\nalso had sung with the Municipal Opera Company. \n\n  \n\nBy the way, Dorothy Lofton Jones was at Peabody.  \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Right. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Edna, her sister, was there also.  \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: You were talking about Jocelyn Taylor. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=2460.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. Jocelyn Taylor and Janice Jackson, who is now a teacher at\nthe University of Maryland, Baltimore County.  \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh my goodness. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: She did not sing in my choir, but I remember choosing her to\nsing the senior song at her senior day program. I did not know she was studying\nat Peabody. She was at the Preparatory School at that time. \n\n  \n\nAnd then there was another -- Sonya Wooten [phonetic] graduated from Peabody\nalso. I think she's teaching in Baltimore County now. She was one of my students\nwho sang in my choir at Western.  \n\n  \n\nThere was another young lady who graduated from the Peabody Preparatory School.\nI can't think of her name right now.  \n\n  \n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=2520.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":" I had some wonderful days at Western because we did a musical every year. We\ndid The Sound of Music, Guys and Dolls. We don't have to go through all of them.\nWe did The Wiz. We did Grease. I'll just stop there because I can't remember all\nof them anyway, but there were many that we did. [Laughter] \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So going on to Morgan.  \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: That was, I guess, the crowning glory of my life because I\nalways dreamed of teaching at a college during my career. Dr. Carter would bring\nthe choir to Western to sing, and he knew of my abilities. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=2580.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He asked me, and I\ncouldn't believe it when he did, but he did. He said, \"I'd like to have you at\nMorgan.\" He knew that I was well thought of in education in the city, and I took\nthe opportunity to go there because I wanted to teach ear training. We call it\nmusicianship now, and aural skills. I enjoy doing what I'm doing. The youngsters\nare wonderful, and I have been there -- this will be my fourteenth year in September. \n\n  \n\nSo I'm enjoying it immensely. Of course, I have an opportunity of teaching with\nBetty Ridgeway, who was a student at Peabody when I was there. I was a year\nahead of her, though. [Laughter] \n\n  \n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=2640.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I pledged the music sorority when I was at Peabody. I guess that's the only spot\nwhich --  I didn't realize it when I was there, but after graduating, I\nwondered why I was never brought over to be a part of the sorority because my\ngrades were excellent. I was third in my class when I graduated. And sometimes I\nthink about that. You know, I guess that was the norm for those days. So I don't\nwant to call it racism because I never experienced that. At least I didn't\nrealize it if I did. I did pledge, but I never was made a member of the sorority\nat that time. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=2700.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't think about that until maybe about ten years ago.  \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I can't remember. Someone else mentioned that. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Myrtle Mack had also pledged. Must have been Myrtle. But we\nboth pledged. It really didn't bother me a bit. It's not really bothering me now\nbecause I realized the time, and the tenor of the times. There were too many\nother important things to be concerned about. I was interested in receiving my\ndegree, which I was very, very proud of. My Peabody degree. \n\n  \n\nAnd then I taught for several years, I went back and earned a master's degree in\n1967. Master of Music degree -- I'm very proud of that, very proud. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=2760.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Even more\nproud to be a member of the Alumni Steering Committee.  \n\n  \n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, Peabody has every reason to be proud of your\naccomplishments. You've had such a fabulous career, and you've touched so many\nstudents. It must be humbling to think of all of the students that you've touched. \n\n  \n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Yes, I think particularly among the Black students. We probably\nwere close because we all were in the same areas when we were young -- the same\nchurches, or we'd meet each other at some musical function, and somebody sang a solo.  \n\n  \n\nFor example, I mentioned Clarence Henderson, who was the choral director at\nMadison Avenue Presbyterian Church. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=2820.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451/transcript/38388/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Junetta [Jones] sang for him, and I believe\nVeronica sang for him there as soloist at that time. He did some major works,\nlike Elijah, and cantatas and oratorios. At one point after, that was before I\nretired, I came to play for him there at Madison Avenue as his organist. Yet\norgan is not really my thing, but I play at the organ. I'm really a pianist.\n\n  \n\n[END PART 1] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117451#t=2880.0,2940.0"}]}]},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - pims0091_McCallumA_2_02.mp3"]},"duration":1335.04,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/117/452/small/mccallum_photoshop.jpg?1650138112","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-peabody.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/117/452/original/pims0091_McCallumA_2_02.mp3?1624270906","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":1335.04,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["McCallumA_2000_2_OHMS_20220608 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ELIZABETH SCHAAF: When you talk about music in Black churches, people\nimmediately just think gospel music, especially in the White community. \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Yes. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: There are few people in the White community who are aware of\nthe long tradition in the Baltimore African American churches of doing\nfull-scale oratorios with instruments.  \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Well, I was born in 1938 and I was in high school in the 50s,\nand many of the churches had outstanding music. The churches where I played, at\nKnox Presbyterian Church, Mercedes Douglas Wilson would do a cantata every year\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and she would have that ensemble and they would ask for me to be the accompanist\nevery year. I just enjoyed it. You know, I was young, and I had a ball playing.\nOther churches, like Madison Avenue, Faith Baptist Church, and Union Baptist,\nthese churches had outstanding music, and they had excellent soloists. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: They did. They really did. \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: And they had wonderful organists who played who were trained.\nMax Statham is one. And Mr. Queen -- Dr. Queen now. He's an honorary doctor. Dr.\nMorris Queen also had a choral group and they sang. I remember that they did\nPorgy and Bess with the Baltimore Symphony. And I think Junetta Jones sang Bess. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She did indeed. Herb Grossman came down from New York to conduct. \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: That's right. That was a long time ago.  \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Doesn't seem like that long ago. \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Right. But it is because I'm going to be sixty-five this year.\nI would like to tell you some of the churches where I played or have played. I\nstarted with Grace Memorial Baptist Church. I played at Whelan Baptist Church\nwhich is my home church. New Frontiers of Faith Baptist Church, Park Community\nChurch, Trinity Presbyterian Church, Waters AME Church. Mrs. Brooks played there\nat one time. And Providence -- I am currently organist at Providence Baptist\nChurch. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thought you'd like to know that.  \n\n\n\nI have served as an accompanist for the Municipal Opera Company and occasionally\nDorothy [Lofton Jones] will ask me now. She knows I'm busy, but I started out\nwith them. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: That is a valuable company.  \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Yes. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Wonderful addition to the musical life of the city. \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: We need it. There is another offspring from there directed by\nDolores Jones, who really started the Municipal Opera Company, and then I think\nshe went in another direction with another group. Dorothy, as well as Joseph\nEubanks, started that opera company. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was asked to come in and play and I did.\nI can't do it all the time because of my other responsibilities. But it is most valuable. \n\n\n\nFrom time to time I play for the Tuskegee alumni breakfast. I have been doing\nthat for almost twenty years. Actually longer than that -- I've been doing that\nfor probably about twenty-six or twenty-seven years because I would bring a\nstudent from Western to sing, and I would just play some incidental music as\nthey gathered. \n\n\n\nI played for many years the Hundred Black Women Breakfast and I played for\nnumerous solo and recitals. I sometimes will play as an accompanist for\njunior-senior recitals at the University of Maryland for Janice Jackson's students. \n\n\n\nI have adjudicated the Choral Festival for Baltimore City ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I served one year\nas a panelist for the Mayor's Advisory on Art and Culture. They awarded money\nfor various groups in the city. So I served a year for that. I belong to several\nprofessional organizations: The Music Educators National Conference, of course.\nI'm a Zeta, I belong to the Zeta Phi Beta Sorority. They just sponsored me and\nanother young lady, Kishna Davis who graduated from Morgan and also Juilliard.\nWe were featured in a joint recital at the Baltimore Museum of Art about two and\na half months ago. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I belong to the Maryland Retired Teachers Association. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, you're hardly retired. It's a wonder they haven't thrown\nyou out! [Laughter] \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: At one time I was a part of the Arts in Maryland Consortium.\nAnd then I have a CD.  \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Which I have heard. \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: You have? \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now you talk about accompanying, but on my way home not\nterribly long ago, I stopped at the light at North Avenue to make the turn onto\nNorth Avenue, and there is this huge red sign printed up by the Globe Printing\nCompany, and it had \"Audrey McCallum, pianist.\" \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Was that when I did it by myself? \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yes. \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Well, I did a concert recently at St. Joseph's Catholic Church.\nI don't know whether that was it. But I did one, I think it was in November. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And\nthen I played with a group called the Masters, and there's a young man who went\nto Peabody -- but he didn't graduate from Peabody. His name is Kenneth Dean. And\nthen a gospel organist, Gloria Thompson, and I played piano, improvising hymn\ntunes. We made a CD, and we're thinking about making another.  \n\n\n\nWe played master chorales, choral compositions, hymns, spirituals and gospel.\nAnd sometimes, depending on the church, we'll play popular music. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, you've been involved in church music now -- I mean as\none of your many hats that you wear -- for such a long time. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Have you noticed\nchanges in liturgical music? \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Yes, I have, and that's why currently I'm only playing twice a\nmonth because it seems as though the general public -- and I really believe that\nthe school system had something to do with it by not really emphasizing music as\na part of the curriculum, even though I think they are beginning to do more now\n-- because of the times, the churches have not been pushing the anthems or\ncantatas or oratorios, whatever you want to call them, as much as they do the\ngospel. Because this I guess is what really will bring people into the churches.  \n\n\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it's the church. My personal feeling is that the church has become a big\nbusiness, and they do whatever it takes. With the CDs and videos by people like\nKirk Franklin and people of that stature, because of the young people, they feel\nthat they need to have that kind of music in the church. So to some extent, I\nthink music is in trouble. I mean I heard the other day that the music company\nhad gone out of business. I used to go to Schubert's, well, for thirty years,\nand they had to go out of business. Even though I could get music by calling him. \n\n\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mars closed their door. Then I heard the other day where some of the other music\ncompanies closed because everybody can get their CDs and copies of them from off\nthe computer. Music, as we know it, seems to be in trouble. \n\n\n\nMy question is I could probably go order some things from the internet and get\nthem overnight, but then what about students who need music when the stores are\nnot available, although some will order the music for you. But everybody seems\nto be going in that direction. The pastors in the Black church want music with\nspirit so that doesn't leave very much for those of us who like what we consider\nto be quality music. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Even though we can accept the other kind. \n\n\n\nBut I don't know where this is going to. My concern is for the music students\nwho will come after me. Will we have any quality music students? They'll be\ngifted, and because, I see a lot of talent, but will they be of the best\nquality. Will they be able to sight-read? Will they be able to accompany? They\nwill be able to improvise, but it will be in the gospel style for many of them.\nI see this now. So I don't know where it's going to end, and I'm really\nconcerned about that. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Like ten years from now will there be people like Jermaine Gardner. \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Yes. Yes. I think there will be people like Jermaine Gardner\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because he has something very special. He had it at birth. His grandfather -- I\nremember I used to play for his grandfather who used to love him. He had the\nmost beautiful tenor voice. He belonged to Grace Memorial, where I grew up. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And what was his name? \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: His grandfather's name was Charles Kess. It is. He's still\nliving. And he loved singing the tenor arias, the tenor solo to the Second Word\nin The Seven Last Words. And he loved singing \"Great is Thy Faithfulness,\" an\nold Baptist hymn, which is marvelous and beautiful, and I think that Jermaine\ngot that talent from his granddad. And then he had an uncle who also was very\ntalented. And it was just that. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His mother told me a story the other day. I\ntalked to her yesterday, I think it was. She has written a book on his\nincredible journey, and she's going to have a reading next month, as it's being published. \n\n\n\nShe told me that with Jermaine's older brother, once he sat to the piano, and\n[Jermaine] heard him make a mistake and he could tell him \"it should have been\nan A\" when he was only three or four years of age. So then, having studied with\nJack Byers, who was an outstanding pianist himself, he had excellent training\nfrom the very beginning even though he could not read. But he played the\nclassicals [sic].  \n\n\n\nI talked to Jermaine several weeks ago, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he indicated that he had applied for\nPeabody, but I think he chose Oberlin. At least I heard him say on Sunday,\nbecause of the various kind of styles that they offered him besides classical,\nhe could get into R\u0026B and he could learn to play jazz, which he's doing. And\nthere's something else he mentioned, can't remember what it was. But he's\ndetermined -- he wants to be [a] concert artist, recording artist and a master teacher. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: That's wonderful.  \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: And he's going to be all of those things.  \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Very exciting. Well, it will be interesting to see how things\nunfold, and I don't think it's just the Black churches. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Trends in the White\nchurches are very similar. They have a whole new genre of music called praise music. \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Right. And I have a unique style of playing when it comes to\nhymns and things. I play in what I call the evangelical style. And I use\nbasically traditional harmony, but I do a lot technically with my playing that\nwill show my skills and what I've learned in my classical piano playing. A lot\nof Blacks do not play in this style, but I enjoy doing it and I think it's unique. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: How did you come to that? \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because growing up as a youngster at Grace Memorial, we were\nnot into gospel at that church, and that's probably the reason why. I used to\nlisten to Old Fashion Gospel Hour on radio, and Ted Smith, I think, was the\npianist. He has written a number of hymn improvisations. And he played for --\nwell, the Old Fashion Gospel Hour. But Ted Smith, I may be confusing him ,\nbecause he played for the evangelist Billy Graham, and I picked up the piano\nstyle from listening to him, because that's what I heard all the time. So I\nplayed in that -- I guess you could call it a genre.  \n\n\n\nI enjoy playing. Because we sang the traditional hymns at church. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then when\nI read things, I mean my ear just hears those things, and I improvise the\npopular things and popular music, and I play in the styles in which they were\nwritten. So I picked it up over the years, and that's what my ear hears. \n\n\n\nOccasionally I will add -- by teaching theory I know these chords, but sometimes\nI try not to be as -- I don't want to say plain because it's not plain. I will\nadd -- all the time -- a sixth or a seventh and maybe a ninth, adding more, like\na tenth, eleventh, or thirteenth, maybe augmented or diminished, so that it's\nnot the same harmonic style because of the times. But at the same time, I draw a\nline, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where I won't go over into any jazz because that is not me. So I keep it\nin between the classical and maybe some chords that you don't expect to hear in\nthe style in which I play. \n\n\n\nSo that's what I do. And I think it's quite unique. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: It is. It's a very special sound. Really wonderful. \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Thank you. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I always liked the surprises. You never know. \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Well, I love surprises. So I do that. Because I mean if you\nhear a piece, a hymn, like \"Great is Thy Faithfulness\", and you hear it a\ncertain way and you listen to that chord. But see now, I do the arrangements. I\ndo an arrangement of \"Great is Thy Faithfulness\" ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where I will play basically a\nmelody in the soprano or a melody in the left hand or I will play some arpeggios\nor chromatic scales or just parallel scales up and down the piano or whatever,\nand then I will maybe surprise someone with some augmented six chords in places\nwhere they don't expect them.  \n\n\n\nSo God has blessed me real good. I'm very, truly, truly blessed, and I will\nalways be grateful to all of the musicians, and I'm happy for this opportunity\nto be able to at least acknowledge them publicly so that they will know -- those\nwho are alive, and most of them are still living, will know that I cared and\nthat I appreciated their love and concern for me. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this is the most wonderful\nthing that Peabody can do for our race, to recognize that we never thought that\nthis would happen.  \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: It's been a privilege. \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Well, I appreciate it because there are so many who have\nlabored long, and I mean, not really looking for attention but it just happened.\nAnd because I play for a lot of groups on the East Side, well, I did it on the\nWest Side, too. Because I recall playing as a student for teas at the YMCA and\nYWCA when there was nowhere else to go unless you went to a church. I thought I\nwould never live to see that we would be recognized. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And after I graduated, I\ndidn't think about it anymore. But I realize too that I was among the first and\nI wondered, will we ever get the recognition for having been the first?  \n\n\n\nBut I thought, no, because we're people just like everybody else. So maybe\nthat's not so important in a way. But the opportunity being given to us, and I\nthink that it's marvelous because you have been going for several years, going\naround doing interviews and putting this together and putting up exhibits. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, I'm not sure I can tell you how many times, when I've\ngone to see someone, and they always say, \"Have you talked to Audrey McCallum?\nShe's so wonderful.\" \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: Thank you. \n\n\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And I've just replied: Yes, we know. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452/transcript/38418/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Audrey, thank you so much.  \n\n\n\nAUDREY McCALLUM: You're welcome. It was a real pleasure, a real pleasure. \n\n\n\n[END OF INTERVIEW] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44151/file/117452#t=1320.0,1380.0"}]}]}]}