{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/iiif/tq5r786d97/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Elaine Hassell oral history, 1998"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/008/original/peabody-institute.logo.large.horizontal.blue.cropped.png?1549570058","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":[" Elaine Hassell was a teacher and chorister. Her husband, William J. Hassell, was an organist at the Ames Methodist Church. In this interview with Elizabeth Schaaf, Elaine Hassell discusses William's musical career and the musicians they associated with, including T. Henderson Kerr, W. Llewellyn Wilson, and Alfred Prettyman. (Abstract)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":[" 1998 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":[" Hassell, Elaine (Interviewee)"," Schaaf, Elizabeth M. 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Where I'm more on the timid side. I\nrecognize my limitations. But he had no boundaries. He went as far as he could,\nand I think that's why he passed so early. He died with cancer. So I don't know\nhow long that had been because I came up in a family that -- Let me see. We had\ntuberculosis. I have a brother who died with that. But other than that, we did\nnot see doctors very often, and I was never in the hospital in my life until ten\nyears ago. I happened to be traveling in Lisbon, Portugal. I was trying to\ncomplete my European tour. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because after my husband died, and I retired, I went\nto Israel with a group of friends of mine, and I learned you didn't have to have\na roommate to go somewhere, you could go by yourself. So I made several trips\nabroad by myself.\n\nAnd in 1979, in Lisbon, Portugal, a truck hit me, an automobile hit me. I don't\nremember any of it over there because they took me to the hospital on the first\nday of the tour. And my bother knew I had gone, and when I didn't come back at\nthe time expected, he called the tour people, and I did not want to worry my\nbrother or anyone else, so I probably didn't carry any identification of them\nbecause they had families and I didn't want to worry them. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So anyhow, he came\nover and got me. I think they put me in another hospital. I don't remember any\nof that over there, and he brought me home.\n\nAnd I'm walking. But both legs were in casts when I came -- When I recognized\nanything of myself, of course, I was in Bon Secours Hospital.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Can I go back and ask you again about -- You met Mr. Hassell\nin Cambridge [Maryland]?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: No, he came to Baltimore, and he looked the family up and that's\nhow we got in touch with -- and I probably went to a couple concerts or\nsomething with him because he had a car, and I didn't at that time.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where did you go to concerts together?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: At churches, and I'm trying to think, at various churches, not\nany big concerts like the operas or anything like that. But around churches\nbecause we were very humble, poor people. And I still am. So anyhow, he played\nmusic, and people are always asking him to either accompany them or -- he had a\ngift of being able to follow the person.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: He sounds like a very sensitive musician.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Right. I had five years of music, and my fingers would not\nfollow my eyes. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I hung it up. But they have to have some people -- I'm\naudience material.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: They're very important. [Laughter] So he got you to accompany\nhim to the altar.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: We may have gone to some church affairs or visit some of the\nrelatives because a lot of our relatives were around here then. And we decided\nto get married I think around Christmastime. Neither of us had any steady job.\nAnd then he got, I don't know whether it was after we got married, he became a\ncustodian in one of the schools. And he was very neat and particular person. I'm\nnot. I'm sloppy. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, he had several jobs going all the time.\n\nFortunately or unfortunately, we did not have any children to slow us down, and\nwe were both working. I finished Coppin Normal. There was no money for me to go\nto college so I went to Coppin Normal, and after, I did substitute teaching and\nI worked at night school, and got my degree from Morgan by way of extension. So\nI finished that. But William finished high school, I think after we got married,\nbut it was night school.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Where did he go to night school?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know to which one he went. I don't know if it was Mount\nStreet. I think it was Mount Street because his brother lived in that area. And\nwhen he came to Baltimore, he probably lived with them. I noticed, this is his\nhandwriting. This is better music, and those are some of the things that he --\nsee, I was so busy myself did not know a lot of information. I cannot give you\nbecause I don't know.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I want to hear about your wedding and your black dress.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: We just went to the minister's and got married and my parents\nwere trying to buy a home. In fact, they started buying it in 1918, but my\nfather had four children and he was a custodian. He had a job as custodian. My\nmother did not work at the time when I was going to elementary school. She took\nin washing, ironing, and things like that, stretching people's curtains. She did\na lot to help. We were poor, poor. And my father, I think, got that house paid\nfor. I don't think he got it paid for before he died.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After William passed, then I think he finally got that house paid for. From 1918\nwas when he moved into the house until 1960s, maybe '65. My husband died in '62.\nAnd they were finally able to get the house. My sister inherited it. We, when my\nmother died, we inherited it and my sister bought it. She still has the house.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Where did you grow up? Where is the house located?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: That house is located 1218 Myrtle Avenue. And my sister's still\nin it and all, even though she's married and has children. My brother and sister\nboth have -- I'm the oldest of four children. This is now William Hassell. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm\nthe oldest of four, but they both have children, grandchildren, and greats. I\nhave no children.\n\nSo anyhow, I guess after we got married, I guess, I was cooking, serving raw\nfried, I mean rare fried chicken. My husband thought he better get in and cook\nbecause we wouldn't be here. And he cooked very well because he had been brought\nup in a family who lived in Cambridge.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Eastern Shore cooking.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: His Aunt Mary cooked for rich people, White people, who lived in\nthe area. So he, I guess she had him helping her. So that' s how he learned to\ncook. I never learned to cook.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So where did you move after you got married?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Well, my mother and father had a three-story house, and they had\ntwo rooms on the third floor. So we lived with them for about a year. And my\nhusband, we started buying things and putting them in the stairway, like a\nrefrigerator, and my father got tired of this. He said find a place of your own,\nwhich was good. So we got out in an apartment. We must have stayed there not two\nyears, and we got an apartment. And that was on Lafayette Avenue, near St. James\nChurch. Do you know where Lafayette Square is?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yes, I do. Oh yes.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Lafayette, near St. James Church. We were there for seven years.\nThen a friend of ours and my brother, who was younger than I, worked for him,\nwanted to sell his house on 723 North Fremont Avenue. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We heard about the sale,\nand that house was in three apartments, so we got it and used two floors, and my\ncousin used another floor. And my husband moved people, then my cousin moved\nout, and he moved some friends of his into the apartment after we came here in\n1952. And he cared for the house over there, collected the rents and everything.\nI didn't have a thing to do with that.\n\nAfter he passed, I sold the house because I'm not a person who could -- I sold\nit because the person who wanted it. There's a church on the corner of that has\n-- this was after, no, William was dead when I sold the house. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When he died, we\nowned that house and this one. I'm trying to think. When he worked for the\nDepartment of Education, this is the letter he received. He died in '62. Talking\nabout what kind of work he did. He didn't share all these things. These things I\nfound since his death.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh, my. Oh, my goodness. He must have been a very, very\nenergetic man.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I don't know how he did all that he did. I guess that's why he\npassed so soon because he was into everything.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it seems like there were a lot of really very good\nmusicians from Cambridge, Maryland, because Dr. T. Henderson Kerr came from Cambridge.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Yes.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And his father apparently was a very fine musician.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Because he was a pharmacist here.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: That's right.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I think. Dr. Kerr. Because we lived in that neighborhood. I was\nbrought up 1218 Myrtle Avenue, and I remember Dr. Kerr. Well, I guess the\nchurches of today, they had too much of the rock in them for me. The rock music.\nWhen I came up, our organist was Llewellyn Wilson. Do you know him?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Tell me about Mr. Wilson. I want to hear.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: He was our organist at my church, and Bishop A. L. Gaines\n[phonetic] was our pastor. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's not William Hassell. I don't know whether\nWilliam ever took any lessons from Llewellyn Wilson or not.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: He touched an awful lot of musicians.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: He did. And as I said he sang with Grace Presbyterian Church\nChoir when they were having special events, such as Christmas or Easter. And he\nwas also a member of the Handel's Choir because I used to go to many of the\nconcerts. I was really a concertgoer when they were reasonable.\n\nI'm trying to think. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can't recall the years. I know when he died, he was\nplaying for Ames Memorial Methodist Church, and before that, he must have been\nthere about five to seven years, and before that, he was at Pennsylvania Avenue\nAME Zion Church.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now this is Mr. Wilson?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: No.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh, Mr. Hassell.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Uh-huh. My husband. And before that I don't -- I guess he just attended.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: What was his first church after you got married?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: His first church?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Was, I would say was Pennsylvania AME Zion. And we got married\nin '36, I would say maybe '37 or '38, and he was there. I don't remember, ten\nyears maybe. Ten years. And then he went to Ames Memorial Methodist Church. And\nhe never joined any of the churches where he played. He still kept his\nmembership with Union Memorial down the street here.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yeah, I've worked as a church musician just about all my life,\nand I've never belonged to any of the churches. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think I'm still on the\nregister at my family church out in the county somewhere.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Oh, is that right? Do you live in the city or the county?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I do. I live in the city. I live in Reservoir Hill. So I'm\njust down the road from you.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Oh, I see. You are right in the city. Reservoir. You know, I\nalways think of Bolton Hill, but they're nowhere near each other.\n\nSCHAFF: Oh, they're on the other side of North Avenue.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Right.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So he left after being at Pennsylvania Avenue AME Zion Church,\nhe went over to Ames.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: He went to Ames.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And then went to Union Memorial Church?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: No. I would say about the last five years of his life he played\nfor Union Memorial, early service. He still played for Ames and was the choir\ndirector there. He had both churches.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So he directed the choir too.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Uh-huh. At Ames. I mean, at Ames he directed the choir, and at\nPennsylvania Avenue AME Zion Church he directed the choir.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: What kind of music did he like to perform?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Well, he liked to perform music like Gloria and, you know, the\nmaster's music. At that time, he would do the best he could, you know, with that\ntype of music. But now the members want the rock, which I don't like, but each\nperson has a right to what he likes. And just because I don't like it, doesn't\nmean that it should not be.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I hear a lot of criticism from, especially from the musicians,\nthat they like the old classical tradition. Doing the pieces from the great\noratorios, and the standard church music repertoire and a lot of them seem to be\nunhappy about the kind of popular music and gospel music that's taken over in so\nmany of the churches.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Uh-huh. Do you know Miss Mary Ranke [Tamplin]?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yes. Yes.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Well, I got in contact with her through Miss Viola Purnell, who\nwas my supervisor at the Department of Social Services at the time of my\nhusband's death. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And after she retired, she started taking music at Peabody\nbecause she's very interested in her church, which is right up here on Bentalou\nStreet and Lanvale. Then she had Mrs. Tamplin. I went to Ms. Tamplin's wedding\nbecause I knew how to get there. I think that's the only reason why I went, and\nI could show her, and I enjoyed it so much. And I have attended Ms. Ranke's\nstudents' concerts because Viola Purnell's nephews were being trained by Ms.\nTamplin, and they play very well. They played for the church up the corner here.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: How wonderful.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: And I have attended, at Maryland Hall, most of the concerts. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And\nMs. Tamplin is very nice.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So the music that your husband chose to perform in church was\nvery much along the lines of what Mr. Wilson was --\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Right.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: That he was part of that tradition.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Right. But he died at the end of that era. He was lucky to have\ngone before the rock struck some of the churches.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: When do you remember that starting to be introduced in the services?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I think in the '60s it started. Martin Luther King came along\nafter that, and a lot of things changed. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I don't like the term African\nAmericans because to me that means I was born in Africa and I came over her to\nlive. But a lot of my people feel like that that's what we are. When I came up,\nwe were called the coloreds or the negroes. And that has been a problem. So anyhow.\n\nI look at TV, and I think the races are -- some of the people will always get\nalong together. And you play the organ, too?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I play, I'm not very good. I took piano for a short time, and\nI think I must be not as good as you are. But I started singing early on, and so\nI've sung as a church musician just about all my life.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How nice.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I mean, from about this big on up.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Well, I'm a chorus singer only. I'm always interested in music,\nbut I never joined the choirs except as a child. I think I sang on the juvenile\nchoir, but that was years ago.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, I did my time in the children's choirs, and I enjoyed it.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Do you have children?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, I have grown-ups now.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: How nice.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: My two girls are in their thirties. But, no, they're all grown\nup now.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Do they live here?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: They both live in town. Yeah. So it's very. Now where did you\ngo to high school?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Douglass High School. And you went to Western?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: No, well, see my family lived on a farm outside of town. I\nmoved into town when I was at Peabody, and but I was raised on a farm.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What county?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: In Baltimore County.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Oh, is that right?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Near Glen Arm. And my youngest daughter still lives on the\nsame farm, and the other daughter lives downtown near Patterson Park.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: That's where my church is, Trinity AME. I'm a member of Trinity\nAME. That's where my parents took me when I was a baby. I have never changed\nmembership, and I do not get there often. But I send dues, and they don't have\nto hear my mouth. [Laughter] But they're so far away now. I just visit the\nchurches in the area because I feel God's in all the churches.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, we hope so.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: We hope. Right. Right. [Laughter] How about Reverend Lands\n[phonetic], who is going to serve some time for doing the members out of all of\nthat money?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He'll have a chance to contemplate the error of his ways, I\nsuspect. That's just so sad. Well, you must have known Mr. [Eugene] Prettyman,\nwho went to Douglass.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Oh, yeah. I knew his wife very well. They were friends of ours.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Really?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Have you been to their home?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh, yes.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I met them through my husband, and because he was custodian at\nthe school where Gene taught. And so I met them at a time when a friend of\nBuena's was going out to Los Angeles, out to California because her son was a\ndentist. She taught school here, but Buena and I fell in friendship at that\ntime. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I knew them.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And Anne Brown was a student there.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Anne Brown, her sister Henrietta I think was in my class. Oh,\nbut I remember her voice then. She had a gorgeous voice at Douglass High School.\nThat was a nice exhibit you all have [\"The Storm Is Passing Over\"]. Are you\nresponsible for that exhibit at the library?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Uh-huh.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Very nice.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Thank you.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Cab Calloway was there. He was not in my class. I knew him. I\nknew them because they were active, and I know they did not know me because I\nwas not forward in high school. Yeah. And Buena's daughter, younger daughter, is\nat Coppin now.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Right. Right.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Yeah. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1560.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They have a very nice family.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Mr. Prettyman is a lovely man.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: He certainly is. They're both, they're a very nice family, and\nwhen Buena passed, I thought the daughter who was here was going to pieces. But\nshe has turned out very well.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And his brother, did you know Mr. Prettyman's brother?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Ernest.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Was it? Let's see, there was --\n\nELAINE HASSELL: That had the band?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yes. Yes.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I had attended some of the band concerts, which were in the\npark. I doubt that his brother knew me, but anyhow, I know the Madison Avenue\nPrettymans. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1620.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gene could tell you more, probably more, about William because at\nthe schools where he was custodian, because he could play, some of the schools\nused him for playing music at the schools.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh, that's wonderful.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: He could probably tell you. I don't know how many years William\nwas at his school, but I met them through William. I knew they were at the high\nschool around the time I was there.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Did your husband know Mr. A. Jack Thomas?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: He may have. He may have.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Because he was friends with Mr. Prettyman, and because I think\nMr. Prettyman, the conductor, named one of his sons after A. Jack Thomas. And I\nmet him not long ago in New York. I went to see him in New York. But he's doing\nvery well. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1680.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He's teaching up there and has a nice apartment up on the West Side.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Now is this Ernest's son?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yeah. Alfred. Isn't it Alfred? Eugene and Alfred? Yeah, I\nthink it's Alfred. I'll have to check. But he seems like he's doing well. He's\npublished a book, and the book was on the writings of Frederick Douglass, and he\nseems to be doing very well. And he does some singing himself. The music still\nrunning in that family.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Right. I'm trying to think. We were there New Year's Day. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1740.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Walton\n[phonetic] is taking over her mother's place, and she's very good at it because\nshe was brought up entertaining. In my family, we were too poor to entertain. We\nwere trying to do all we could to buy a house. And William was brought up in\nCambridge as a family that was forward looking. He was lucky to have been\nbrought up at the place where he was brought up. Again, as I said, they were\nboth, they didn't know anything about parents.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So he and his brother were both orphans, and at a very young age?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: So far as I know, because I didn't know William really well\nuntil I would say maybe 1935. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1800.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was when -- he may have been in Baltimore\nseveral years, but he looked up the relatives. At that time a cousin of mine who\nis now dead was brought up in the same home with William's brother.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And what was his name?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: His name was Frederick Hassell. In fact, I think the family name\nwas Hassell at first. But I don't know because we always called him -- I didn't\nknow him too well. We didn't have money to go down to Cambridge, so I didn't\nknow what was going on down in Cambridge other than what the people told me that\ncame from time to time.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1860.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You mentioned going to concerts with Mr. Hassell, and I was\nvery interested in reading that. Well, Mr. Wilson had concerts at his church?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Mr. Wilson, Llewellyn Wilson sometime had them at the Lyric and\nsometimes they would be at the churches. It all depended. Because that's all we\nhad to go, there was no radio or television back in those days so you went to\nchurch. Now, they have everything on Sundays. But I attended the operas. This is\nthe first year I have not gone. I've been there I know for about six to eight\nyears. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1920.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've been going with this friend of mine, Viola Purnell, who Mrs. Mary\nRanke Tamplin had trained her nephew.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Is the name Purviance familiar?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Yeah. A man or woman?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: A man.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Was he a dancing teacher? He danced himself, an aesthetic\ndancer. Yes, Ernest Purviance. And in fact his sister I think taught art in\nschool. And I think I may have -- I can't think of her name. But Mr. Purviance\nused to have, what did they call them, dance recitals, I think, and may have had\nthem at the Lyric. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=1980.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because back in those days, even though we were segregated,\nwe used some of the buildings sometimes.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now Mrs. Walker said that she used to go Mr. Purviance's May balls.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I never went. I never went. And Llewellyn Walker is a classmate.\nWe've been in the class ever since high school, I guess, and then we were in the\nsame class at Normal school. And she landed a job. I did not have average enough\nto get a job in the city schools at first, and so there were so many clamoring\nfor jobs, even though I had passed the exam, there were not jobs enough. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=2040.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I\nwent down to the county, and I worked in Worcester County, where Ocean City is,\nfor about three years before I came up here in '35, I think. And that's when I\nmet William, and we were married in '36.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Where were you living when you were in Worcester County?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: In Pocomoke City one time, and then on the outskirts. St. James,\nI think, was the place near Pocomoke City.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So you were there for several years in Pocomoke City?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: No, just three years.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Three years.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Three years I was there.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Was there as much music there?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=2100.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. But they, like quartets and things of that sort, in the\narea where I was. And I always went to some church. I never joined any other\nchurches, but I attended the churches in the community, whatever was there.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I know there were a lot of places like Fisherman's Hall here\nin town and places where they had dances and social gatherings.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Uh huh.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: But what about Pocomoke City? What was that like? I mean were\nthere places where you could go and have dances, like Mr. Purviance's things?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: No. Not at the time when I was there. Although, I think some of\nthe teachers had homes, and they would invite us to their homes for dances or\ndays outing where they danced. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=2160.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that was about it. But around here, I\nremember, there were halls, like the Elks Hall, would have early dances like on\nSaturday afternoons from about 2:00 to 4:00, something like that. I never was\ntoo much of a dancer myself, but some friends of mine would go and I would go\nalong with them.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: It sounds like a dance scheduled to keep mothers happy so they\ncould get their daughters home at a decent hour.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Right. Right. Because you had to be home before dark. But I\ndon't know what they have now, having no children of my own to know what they're\ninvolved in.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=2220.0,2280.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think a lot of worries.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I guess you're right there.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I feel like I'm grateful that mine grew up when they did. I\nthink I got just scooted through before things started getting too --\n\nELAINE HASSELL: You have how many children?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Just two.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Two daughters.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Seems like more sometimes.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: You have grand -- ?ELIZABETH SCHAAF: Not a one, and I was\nlooking very enviously at Mrs. Walker' s grandchildren.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Doesn't she have a nice family?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: She has a wonderful family.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I don't know either of her children, but she is a very nice\nperson, and she has a beautiful home down in Arundel, on the bay. I've not been\nto her home, but I have another classmate who has a home down there, and I have\nbeen invited to come only for the day, not to spend any time or anything. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=2280.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it\nis beautiful down there. We took a drive down there.\n\nThere are three of us in my immediate family living. I'm the oldest. My sister's\nsix years younger than I. My brother is ten years younger than I. So he got all\nof us, our spouses are all dead now. So last year my brother started taking us\nfor Tuesday trips wherever we would like to go within reason, and we would go\nsuch places as maybe Harrisburg. What's that school in Pennsylvania? Penn State.\nThat's a pretty drive up there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=2340.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then after my accident, I said, well, at least I can sit on a bus and ride\nsomewhere. And so I took many Greyhound bus trips different places,\nPhiladelphia, New York, just for the day. Because the change, and then when I'd\nget there, I would take a bus ride, or if I'd go to New York, I would catch the\nbus that takes you out to the airport. Since I can't travel anywhere by air, at\nleast I'll see the airport crowds. And I always have been interested in people\ntraveling. Because when B\u0026O Railroad Station was running, my church was right\nnear there. My church was the Linden Avenue and Biddle Street where the state\noffice buildings are now.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=2400.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So after church service, we used to go down there and watch the people get on\nthe trains. On those days they dressed up when they went places. They didn't go\ncasual like they do now. But I like the casualness of the people. When I go\nanywhere, I'm in casual garb too. You have to be in order to survive because\nit's dangerous traveling alone. It can be dangerous traveling alone.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now tell me, your parents, your mother came from Ellicott City.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: She was born there.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And your father?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Came from Cambridge, Maryland. And they probably met when my\ngrandmother's father was preaching in that area of the Eastern Shore. You ever\ngo to the Eastern Shore?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=2460.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh yes.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Isn't it nice?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: It is nice.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: The only thing over there is the land is so level.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: It's very flat.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: But these mountains over here in western Maryland are as\ngorgeous as I've seen anywhere.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: They're very pretty. Well, your family then has lived in\nMaryland for a long time.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: We're all Marylanders, all my family. Now, I don't know too\nmuch. One thing, one relative I've never known is a grandmother. They were all\ndead when I was born. So I don' t know anything about them, but I've had both\nparents until I was forty, I know, both parents. Even though they didn't have\nany money, they loved us and did as much as they could for us in spite of their\npoverty. [Laughter]\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, it looks like they did a pretty good job.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=2520.0,2580.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And listen, I have to explain this. You're sitting here, you see\nme with this band on my head. I was on a bus over in Washington, and a lady sat\nnext to me, and I guess she looked at this old and said that old soul doesn't\nknow how to wear that band. So she got up and took the band and did it like\nthis. I said, now you see why I'm wearing the band. I don't have enough hair to\ncover all the fuzz on my forehead.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Very fashionable.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: And that's the reason why. [Laughter] That covers a multitude of\nfaults. [Laughter]\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, it's very fashionable.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: No, it's not. I'm doing the best I can with what I have left.\n[Laughter] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=2580.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, anyhow, getting back to the Prettymans, the first time I ever\nwent abroad was through Buena. And my first trip was to Israel with the church\n-- can't think of the minister's name now. He' s now dead. On Liberty Heights\nAvenue, well, anyhow. It was on that trip that I learned that even though I had\na roommate, because Buena provided me with a roommate to go, and I enjoyed that\ntrip. So I decided well now I'm by myself, and if you have a guide, a travel\nguide, you don't have to worry. So I would never go on my own because I don't\nspeak the languages.\n\nSo then I started going with American Express, and I wound up with them. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=2640.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424/transcript/39153/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I\ndid have one trip in '88, I went to China. I was supposed to have a roommate,\nbut the person couldn't go, and so they allowed me the same price, single, as I\nwould have paid double. And I went by myself, and I think I was the only person\nof color on the trip, but the people were very nice to me, I thought. I enjoyed\nthe trip.\n\nAnd so, it's how you present yourself and how you see others. You can make it.\nAs I said, I'm an Aquarian [sic]. I'm standing --\n\n[END PART 1]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117424#t=2700.0,2760.0"}]}]},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - pims0091_HassellE_02.mp3"]},"duration":1601.0449,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/public/images/audio-default.png","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-peabody.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/117/425/original/pims0091_HassellE_02.mp3?1624270856","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":1601.0449,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["HassellE_2_OHMS_20220729 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ELAINE HASSELL: Doesn't she have a lovely family?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: She does.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: She's such a nice person. I have a lot of friends who have\nchildren and grandchildren. I call them glamour mothers, who happen to have\ngrandchildren because they're looking good right along with their grandchildren.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, I think grandmothers are younger than they used to be.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Yes, they are. Yes, they are. A lot of them are because some of\nthem are grandmothers at twenty-five. And that's too, that's kind of young. But\nthere are some like that. With television and everything it might be correct. I\ndon't know.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, things certainly seem different. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=0.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You wonder about the\nthings that got lost. You had mentioned the times around in the '60s, around\nMartin Luther King, and I remember Eubie Blake came to Peabody several times,\nand I got to meet him and talk to him.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: You did.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And his wife, who's a lovely lady. And he talked about he\nwould be going home late, and he would pass Mr. Murphy's newspaper offices, and\nMr. Murphy would see him going home late, and he would step outside and ask him\nwhat he was doing out on the street late at night like that. And he said that he\nfelt like people had an eye on you, and to try to sort of keep you out of\ntrouble. And if you got into trouble, you knew somebody's mother somewhere saw\nyou, and before you got home, your mother knew about it. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=60.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the kids seem more\nisolated somehow today. I don' t know. Do you see that? Do you feel like that\nmight be true?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: People don't speak up. Because I myself don't speak to other\npeople's children anymore like I would have in the old days. But the most I see,\nI ride the buses a lot. I ride the buses, the MARC trains, the Greyhound bus. I\nhaven't been on a plane in years, but maybe. I don't see too many children out\nof control on the buses.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=120.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe it's at the time that I go they're in school because I do most of my going\nbetween 9:00 and 3:00. And when I drive, I don't start out until after the\nchildren in school, and I try to get back before the rush hours, and I don't\ndrive that often. But I do love the countryside. And as I say, the world is\nbeautiful everywhere. Although I'd say, I think we're lucky on this side to have\nthe Green Mountains. I prefer them to the Rockies. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=180.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I had one trip out to Los\nAngeles, and within two weeks, we went to Los Angeles and up to San Francisco\nand back. And we didn't have any money to stay at hotels, and my husband and\nmyself and another couple. The ladies would sleep on the car seats, and the men\nwould sleep on the floor. My husband, that rocked him. he almost lost friendship\nand friends. We were doing this as a favor because it didn't cost us very much.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So he enjoyed traveling too?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Well, he was too busy doing other things. Only after he passed\ndid I start traveling. No, we never flew anywhere together.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, it' s hard for church musicians to get away.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Right. Right. And we didn't have the money to go then. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=240.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nor the\ntime, but after I retired, then I used some of the money for travel, which I\nthoroughly enjoyed because people are interesting, all people are interesting.\n\nBut speaking of Buena's granddaughter, she seems to be such a nice young lady.\nThe last time I saw her was in the spring. Maybe it was in summer. They were\ndown, I happened to go past the house to leave something with [unclear] and they\nhappened to be down. I don't see them too often. Have you been out to the\nPrettymans' country home?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: No, I haven't.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=300.0,360.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It used to be very nice because that's where we would go on\nFourth of July. And that was the main time we went out there.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I can't remember, what is the name of the town where their\ncountry home is?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: It's off Watersville Road, and the town is near Mt. Airy. Mt.\nAiry. It's almost near Carroll County. I think Carroll County is beautiful. I\nshop up there quite often at Martin's grocery store, not a store like Giant's.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Are these programs from Mr. Hassell's church?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: This is his. Wait a minute. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=360.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is his funeral program. This\none. Oh, this is his funeral program.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And this was in 1962.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: And this is -- I was working at the Department of Social\nServices at the time of his death. And that's the date up there, and that's\nreference to his funeral. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=420.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this is a letter from my mother's youngest brother\nconcerning the funeral.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh, this is wonderful. That's a lovely letter.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Oh, he could write, my mother's youngest brother.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: That's lovely.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: And this is --\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh, his obituary.\n\n[PAUSE] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=480.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\nELAINE HASSELL: And this is a book that my club members kept for me at my\nhusband's funeral and the pallbearers at his funeral, who donated and things\nlike that.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh, what a thoughtful thing to do.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Well, they did, all of my club members, did all this for me\nbecause I really didn't know my husband would be going that early, but anyhow,\nhe went. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=540.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And friends have been beautiful.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh, that's nice.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Oh, I tell you, they have taken me in, and I don't need a whole\nlot. I'm very independent, myself. I don't need a whole lot of taking in, but\nthey did it at a time when it was needed.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So, he was in the Handel Choir when was Mr. James Winship\nLewis was director. Because I see that name here.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Maybe so.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: The choir was good then.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Wasn't it?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: It was very good.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I haven't heard them in a long time.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: They're still good, but it --\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Not like it used to.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: It wasn't as good as, like it used to be.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Well, do you go to the organ concerts out at St. David's?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=600.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sometimes, yes.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Mrs. Purnell, who is connected with Ms. Ranke Tamplin, I used to\ngo when she had time to some of those concerts with her. And that's how I got\nthere. And I only got to the operas through her because she did not mind driving\nat night. I don't drive at night anymore.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh, this is very nice. Oh, my. Some familiar names here. Rena\nL'Heureux worked at Peabody for years and years. She was secretary of the Handel Choir.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Oh, is that right?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yeah. Lovely, about this tall.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Now see, a lot of those people I did not know.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=660.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. Oh my, isn't this a nice thing?\n\n [PAUSE]\n\nVery nice.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Did I show you these?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: No.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Oh, you may know some of them. Those are the people who either\ncame to the funeral or the funeral home or during the time of bereavement.\nThere's three of them there.\n\n[PAUSE] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=720.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Heavens, you must have greeted a lot of people over those days.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Thank you for bringing this back for me.\n\n [PAUSE]\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: My goodness, this is wonderful. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=780.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mr. and Mrs. Addison [phonetic].\n\n[PAUSE] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=840.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\nA lot of friends.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: A lot of those people I didn't know. He worked hard and a lot of\npeople knew him, and he was young enough to go at the height of his popularity\nwith them.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, this is wonderful.\n\n [PAUSE]\n\nThis is really good. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=900.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some people from around your old neighborhood, here on\nMyrtle Avenue.\n\n[PAUSE] ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=960.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\nIt's fabulous. This is very impressive.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Is there any other information you would like for me to get that\nI had not already shown? Because I do not remember the exact dates he was at the\nchurches. And whether or not they kept records enough at that time.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, you've done pretty well at getting the general times\ntogether, and so I think we're in pretty good shape. This is really good.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Oh, that's my church. Recognizing his death, I guess. The\nTrinitame [Trinity AME Church]. That's what they called it at that time. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=1020.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They\nhad different kinds of programs.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Oh, what a nice thing to do. They had a request program where\nyou could request your favorite hymns and have the choir sing them.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Uh-huh.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: What a nice thing. Well, this is all very wonderful. Now, I'm\ngoing to ask you again, this gentleman?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Who he is. I'm going to get another book upstairs. I know I have\nhis name and probably had his address. Whether or not he is dead, I haven't. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=1080.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I\nthink he is.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[LONG PAUSE]\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I gave you the wrong name.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Okay.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: His name was Floyd. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=1200.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"F-L-O-Y-D. Floyd Adams. At the time we knew\nhim, he lived in 1922 West Lanvale Street. I think he was a member of Grace\nPresbyterian Church too. I think. So Gene Prettyman might know him, whether he's\nliving or dead.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I'll ask him.\n\n[LONG PAUSE]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=1260.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, thank you for taking the trouble to look that up. These are really wonderful.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: That was a picture that William -- I think Floyd probably took\nall of those pictures of William. I think.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Now, which church is this?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I don't --\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: It's quite striking with the organ.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I don't know whether it's Pennsylvania AME Zion or -- I don't\nknow because it' s not on here, and I attended some of the services, and\nsometimes I went to my own church.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Right.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: And I'm trying to think who would know.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=1320.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, this, that church is still there, isn't it? The\nPennsylvania Avenue AME Church is still --\n\nELAINE HASSELL: But not the one where. They rebuilt a new church since my\nhusband died. He did not play the organ at the current church. That's a new\nbuilding entirely. In fact, I think it's further up the street, nearer to\nDolphin Street than the other church.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: This is a very impressive building. That organ's gorgeous. And\nthis is?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: That's the church right down the street here, Union Memorial.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: That's beautiful. Would it be possible for me to borrow these\nand get them copied?\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=1380.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's the same as this one, isn't it?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Yes, it is. Because I would love to have copies of these for\nthe archives, and I would love to include these. We're working on an exhibition,\nwhich will be three years away, because this exhibit, we touched on music in the\nchurches, but there's so much to cover.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I can imagine.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And the church music scene is so big that we decided that we\nwould just wait and concentrate a whole exhibit on church music later on.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Oh, I see.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So that's what we're going to do. We're going to give the\nchurch musicians a chance to shine all by themselves.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I see.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: So that's why I want to start rounding up all of these souls\nand so we'll have them together when we're ready to do this.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=1440.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, feel free to call me when you can get me if there's any\nfurther information. In fact, if I think of something further that you can use,\nI will call you.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: I'd be very grateful.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: But do you mind leaving your home phone number?\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: No. No.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I'll call you at the school, but just in case. I'm not a caller.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, let me give you a card.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: Oh, great. That's all I need.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: Well, you've been so kind to let me take up so much of your\ntime like this. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=1500.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425/transcript/39154/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I really am very grateful. This is wonderful. Now, somewhere in\nthis messy thing. Here we are. I sometimes go in here looking for cards, and I\nfind out I've got everybody else's and not mine.\n\nELAINE HASSELL: I know what you mean. Okay.\n\nELIZABETH SCHAAF: And you feel free to call whenever.\n\n[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44137/file/117425#t=1560.0,1620.0"}]}]}]}