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And Fort Sumter [sic] is below Fort McHenry, and you go by there too. And then you get to Brown's Grove. It's down a pretty good distance. But I have no idea what county that's in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=10.63,25.836"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e So people would go down there and picnic, and did they have dances at night?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=26.98,30.52"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. Every summer, there was plenty of them. And the churches would have their big trip down there. Your church would fill the whole boat, and my church would fill it so you didn't have to [unclear]. And over the entire summer, he had lots of business because so many of the churches would have excursions there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=31.27,58.79"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And must have put an awful lot of musicians to work down there, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=61.45,63.93"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah. And back in those days, you could always hear music. I mean, you could hear good music. But now the only thing I hear is what's coming through the park. I don't understand how they can publish that music. It's awful. And I can hear it before it comes out of the park. Comes out of Madison Avenue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=63.97,86.53"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's a wonder that half the kids aren't deaf from the loudness of it all. It can't be good to listen to that at those levels. Must be terrible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=88.54,101.05"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e The police patrol stands over here on Eutaw Place, and sometimes they have a call and they will come through the alley and go down Madison Avenue. And you hear that siren, but that music coming out of the park is louder than those sirens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=101.99,118.81"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I know, we hear it. Sometimes you can hear it all the way to our house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=120.52,124.27"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And if you were going down a street in one of those cars with those guys and the fire engine was coming, they wouldn't hear the fire engine. But nothing is done to stop it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=125.05,135.32"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e It's just amazing, I know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=136.757,136.793"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e You were telling me about all the places like Fisherman's Hall that used to have dances?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=136.793,142.6"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And Good Hope was another one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=147.759,148.569"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me where they were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=149.32,150.04"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Good Hope was over on Lexington Street right beyond the market, and Fisherman's was down on McCulloh Street, right near Druid Hill. And we had the Pythian Castle, which was another hall -- that was on McCulloh and Preston. And then the Odd Fellows Hall was on Lanvale and McCulloh. And Elks Hall on McMechen and Madison. But they're all gone now, except the Elks Hall, and I don't think that's used.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=151.09,183.56"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Really? Because that was one of the oldest Elks halls in the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=185.57,187.669"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e It was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=188.18,188.27"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Good heavens. I was really interested in hearing about the two kinds of dances. They had invitation dances, and --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=188.384,196.574"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And all the time that we were married -- we were married sixty-two years -- we always got an invitation. But they don't have dances like that now. I have some friends who moved down here from New York, the same friends that live over there near you. And she's always talking about nothing going on. I say, Well, we had all those things here. It's just a new age now. They're gone. We don't have them any more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=199.04,233.93"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e It's too bad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=234.022,236.08"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e It is too bad. I say to the youngsters, now because I'm an old man -- I said, You know, long as my health is good, I'm happy to be an old man because I can remember when I was your age and life was worth living. It's not worth living for them, not now. It's awful. Even the ones who want to be good, who want to do the right thing. They've got so much opposition. I work with the Boy Scouts, I think I told you. Every year we have this thing with the schools, a day when scouts are supposed to wear their uniforms to school. We have some who won't wear them. They're scared to wear them -- say they'll get in a fight. Isn't that something?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=236.44,277.69"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I was talking to Mr. Roy McCoy a couple of days ago and he was talking about when when he was going to school down here. And he said that some of the musicians who played in the orchestra at the Royal [Theatre] used to come over and talk to the kids at school who were interested in music and tell them how to take care of themselves, and how they can work hard and get to be musicians. I just wonder, it seems like there was a kind of closeness in the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=287.03,322.17"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e You had communities. Now you hardly have a community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=324.24,326.31"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e That's true. There was something else that he mentioned that I wanted to talk to you about. He was telling me the Afro-American Newspaper used to sponsor a drum and bugle corps. And I don't ever remember reading --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=333.379,350.016"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't remember that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=350.65,351.56"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I have not seen any references to it at all. And I was wondering if you knew anything about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=352.18,357.22"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I've known the Afro for a long time, but I don't recall. Of late years, they've had this Clean Block Campaign. But I don't know anything that has to do with music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=358.5,372.48"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, this apparently was some time ago. I'm not sure how old Mr. McCoy is. He's another one of these wonderful people that to look at him you couldn't guess within thirty years, I don't think. But he was telling me he was playing music back in the mid-early '30s, that he played in the Afro-American Drum and Bugle Corps when he was a youngster.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=372.96,402.97"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e It seems to me that we had several drum and bugle corps, but I don't know who sponsored them. Because I used to see them in parades when we had parades, but I don't know who sponsored them. Maybe one of them was sponsored by the Afro.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=403.175,415.829"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll have to go down to the Afro archives and see if I can get out some information on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=418.42,422.68"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, how long did your brother [Edward A. 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Well, it wasn't the city band then, it was the Masonic Band [Baltimore Park Band].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=433.39,435.459"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Was '38?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=438.18,438.369"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e When was it when Mr. [Massimo] Freccia was here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=441.99,446.85"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e That was in the '50s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=447.33,447.93"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, when he left, that's when my brother turned the band over to Mr. [Charles E.] Gwynn, and [my brother] went with the Freccias. That's when he left the band.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=449.79,460.14"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And then Mr. Gwynn took over the band?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=465.09,466.5"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Took over the band. Now, I don't know exactly what he and Freccia did. They were great friends. He used to set up the music for him. You have got all this music together, all musical groups -- each guy doesn't carry his own music, it's all together. So I think what my brother did was to set up the music because he traveled all around with Freccia. 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I don't know where else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=513.72,517.799"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Whereabouts in England did he go? [unclear] London?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=519.809,520.83"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e In London, yeah. He used to write, and I can't even think of the name of the street. If you can think of the street, you can think of a section.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=524.5,534.27"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you keep your brother's letters?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=539.92,541.15"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I didn't. I did have them. I had a whole lot of old stuff, stuff from way back in the history of my family, downstairs. Poor Jane next door built herself a deck back there, and she dug down to put in the post, and before she got that done, we had a big storm. And I went down my basement -- water was about that thick down there [gesturing]. And all that stuff was destroyed. Got soaked. And I had lots of pictures, everything. Because I kept it all down there. And I never did tell her about that. She knew the water came in here, but I never did tell her about all that stuff was destroyed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=543.669,585.909"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'm glad you kept that safe. That is a wonderful photograph.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=588.61,592.599"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e You know why that was safe? That was my sister's. She lived in New York and I was up there once a while ago and I said, You know, I don't know why you got a picture of Edward's band and I didn't get one. She said, You want that one? I said, Would you give it to me? She said, Yeah, if you want it. So that's how I got it, from my sister.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=594.53,624.31"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Was her name Sara?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=625.54,626.169"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Sadie. Sara was Edward's daughter. Sara was the oldest one and he had one named Edward. Edward played with the band for a while. When he was a seaman, he liked to be gone all the time. Then Charles and Alfred, the one who is living in New York now, and then another one who died. We called him Pinky, but that wasn't his name. So there's one boy living in Virginia, and Alfred lives in New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=626.17,671.04"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I talked to him -- I did call him, and it sounds like he's recovering from a wedding. His daughter's wedding.So I'm going to call him back next week and see if I can't go up and visit him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=672.12,687.51"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e He should know lots about the latter days of the band. He wasn't born when it was organized, but he should know lots about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=688.08,694.48"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e When did your brother die?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=695.8,697.32"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, goodness, he's been dead, I guess, ten years now. Maybe longer than that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=699.08,701.82"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you tell me -- what did you major in in college and what did you go on to do after you graduated?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=709.97,718.34"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Counseling. I worked in the system as a counselor for the school system.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=720.18,723.079"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I bet you were good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=728.84,728.96"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, my supervisors and principals used to say that it was the country in me. They used to say, He learned how to live with the animals so he could live with people. [Laughter] But really, I do think that having been born in the country gave me a disposition so I could -- as the superintendent said once -- They wanted me to go to another school, and I was sort of reluctant to go, because I had a good program going where I was. And he said, Well, you could work with anybody. No, everybody, he said. In a good loud voice. I said, Well, if you think I can work with everybody, that's fine. You're the superintendent. [Laughs] My father used to say, Be nice to people. There's no need -- And he used to say another thing: don't get upset about something, because you'll find you're the only one upset. That's true, too. I tell my daughter that, now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=730.7,802.769"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e That's really good advice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=802.853,802.864"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e She's in the library over at Coppin [State University], and she comes in here sometimes and something is going on over there. I say, Just forget it because nobody is upset with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=808.91,818.88"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I will have to remember that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=819.215,822.18"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e My father was a sage. [Laughs] This has nothing to do with music, but in the country, you were working on the farm. You wear jeans and that kind of stuff. On Sunday, you have a corduroy suit. That's your church suit. Some of the people we knew had two or three suits. And he used to say to us -- [unclear]. He used to say, \"Never mind copying them. Let them copy you.\" So we grew up like that. This shirt that I have here I bought from when Stewart's [department store] was downtown years ago. And all my clothes are like that. They don't wear out. So I went to church one day, I was an usher. And I put on one of my old jackets and one of the guys said, Oh, Gene, that's a soft looking jacket. I said, Thank you, Johnny Mack [phonetic]. I said, This jacket is old as you. He said, I know, I can tell by the style. [Laughter] Because style never meant anything to us. 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And I was telling him all these wonderful stories that everybody's told me. And he was asking me when Pennsylvania Avenue started going into decline and when they tore the Royal Theatre down, and why there wasn't a protest to stop it? Because the Royal was such an important theater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=910.68,952.29"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And it was delightful that it was clean in those days. It was a fine place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=953.34,959.047"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And I, as a music student, went over to hear Ethel Ennis perform on Pennsylvania Avenue back in the middle '60s. And my goodness, the music was just wonderful, she was just divine. I love hearing her sing. 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Did you ever hear him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1017.39,1024.666"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, indeed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1025.779,1025.972"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e What was his band like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1026.052,1026.986"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it was really a swing band, but it was a good band. It was pretty close to the kind of band that Duke Ellington had. He played at the Savoy up on Seventh Avenue, and he was the king up there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1028.56,1042.088"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e What were those shows like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1046.38,1047.339"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll tell you one thing, they were not noisy, but everybody enjoyed them and the dances were nice. 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Did they have a curtain?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1075.33,1078.21"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e With a curtain. He would already be seated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1079.32,1082.93"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just so impressed with -- Drummers like that just don't come along. I think once in a lifetime. His rhythmic patterns just never wave, they never slow down, it just drives right on through. And the arrangements were very sophisticated and the musicians were just amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1085.62,1112.11"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Another drummer that I thought was very good was old Sid Catlett. He played with the Duke [Ellington] at one time. But when he made his name, he was playing with somebody else but I didn't know who it was. But he could play the drums, too. It wasn't beating noise. 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Couldn't get in the church, though. We didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1165.081,1166.55"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I saw photographs in the paper of people lined up on the rooftops.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1168.61,1172.329"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah. It was like back when the circus used to come and the schoolchildren used to line up the street. 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I knew some of the guys playing, but it wasn't one solid band. I think several of them got together. You know, like your band wanted to be in it, and my band wanted to be in it, so some of our players played -- that's the way it was. Because it wasn't a single band. But they played well, really beautifully.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1191.44,1210.13"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e But do you think they were mostly Baltimore musicians that had come together to play?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1214.66,1218.29"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but there may have been some out of Baltimore there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1218.98,1220.724"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Because a lot of people did come in from out of town for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1222.519,1223.45"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, lots of people from out of town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1224.7,1225.339"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e When I read that account, it was like reading the funeral of the head of some royal family. It was absolutely amazing. And the other thing that impressed me was, he stayed in touch with the community here and stayed in touch with his family and continued to be a part of the community here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1229.18,1252.999"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e He never gave up his Baltimore holdings, so to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1253.86,1257.37"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And Eubie Blake, too, kept coming back and playing down on Pennsylvania Avenue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1259.65,1265.77"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Eubie was a real pianist. I mean, he could play. He could play. And it seemed like just floating along, nothing to it. But he was good. He was good. I met him when we had our little group, he and Noble Sissle. Noble Sissle used to have theatre shows. But those old guys, all gone. Another old guy I liked -- what was his name? Fats Waller. [Laughs] He was a jazz player here. 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I'll tell you how we met him. They were friends of Hank Leary [unclear]. They were friends of his and they came to visit him and we were rehearsing at that particular time. And that's when we met him. And they sat in and listened and talked about it --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1323.26,1346.994"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Was this down at the Regent?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1348.14,1349.16"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, this was at Hamp's [Lionel Hampton's] house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1350.75,1351.147"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you stay in touch with them or have much contact with them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1357.98,1362.539"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e We didn't see Noble Sissle anymore. We'd see Eubie Blake in New York, but we didn't see Noble Sissle in New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1366.23,1372.736"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e You must have known Ellis Larkins, because he was at Douglass --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1373.97,1378.4"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1378.4,1378.4"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e -- and he must have been [there] around the same time, wasn't he?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1378.4,1378.4"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Is he still around?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1384.11,1384.65"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e He is still around. He's back in Baltimore. Actually, he had a little bout of ill health a couple of weeks ago, but he's apparently okay now. But I spoke to Mrs. Larkins and she said he's back playing again. They're nice -- Mr. Larkins is another one of these just divine pianists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1386.089,1407.292"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's another breed. This is the way I put it, and it isn't fair, I guess. We had parents. And many of these youngsters now really don't have parents, and that makes a difference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1408.47,1423.38"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I was trying to figure out what the difference -- Somebody like Billie Holiday that apparently had everything. She was very talented, and just a tragic life. And somebody like Chick Webb, who had everything going against him, being handicapped and terrible health, and just made a success out of his life. And then at one point it just dawned on me -- Mr. Webb had his family behind him. He had a grandfather, and all of these people who part of his life and support. And apparently Billie Holiday -- her father had his own problems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1425.25,1471.33"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And Webb was involved in that kind of fast scene in New York and never got tied up with any drugs or drinking or anything like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1476.65,1483.999"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Didn't interfere with him at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1483.999,1483.999"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And Mr. McCoy too -- he was off touring with Lionel Hampton and getting mixed up with a fast crowd, but stayed away from all that terrible business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1485.86,1496.39"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e With Lionel and everything [unclear]. Quite a busy fellow. I like to watch him play. [Laughs] I think he enjoys it, too. He seems to get lots out of it. I think when he's playing, he doesn't know that we're there. He's just enjoying that thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1499.359,1517.45"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, like you were saying, lost in your own world when you play.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1518.8,1520.929"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1520.96,1521.23"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I wanted to ask you, where did you go to church back here in Baltimore when you came down here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1522.52,1528.61"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Grace Presbyterian. It was down in front of Sharp Street on Dolphin Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1529.66,1532.87"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e What was the music like there? So many of these churches just had wonderful music programs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1536.26,1539.95"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e They had good choir there. Can't think of the man's name, that was a German fellow who directed the choir. But the choir was known all around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1541.93,1553.7"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e That's something -- The German musical community got so involved with music in both the White world and in the Black world. And actually, I was really taken with how loose the dividing lines were because the musicians were all sort of playing with one another as far back as I've been able to figure out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1559.02,1587.94"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e After hours, they used to get together. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1588.66,1591.53"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And [Gustav] Strube was working with and teaching a lot of the musicians that were in that orchestra that W. Llewellyn Wilson had. And Peabody teachers, they didn't care. Students are students, and it didn't seem to make a whole lot of difference. But I couldn't help thinking that if they had left all of this in the hands of the musicians, it [would've] been a whole lot less trouble.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1592.71,1626.99"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e This has nothing to do with music, but -- what is the group called? Anyway, they work with White girls and the supervisors called my school one day and asked me, they're starting some new workers, and could I give them a couple of children to work with them? And so I said sure, and she said, Well, Mr. Prettyman, I'm sorry to say this, I'm a little embarrassed too, but these are young White girls and they're not accustomed to Negroes. Could you let me have two White ones? [Laughs] But wait, I haven't got to the story yet. I said, sure, because the school is mostly White anyway. So I went up to this particular room with the ages that the woman wanted. And I asked if we could two -- \"Oh, yes,\" she was happy to have them. And I said, I need White ones. And this was a White teacher. She got red in the face. She looked at me. \"Mr. Prettyman, I don't teach any White children or any Black children. I teach children.\" [Laughs] I said, Don't get mad with me. And I explained to her what had happened, so she calmed down. But as you said, when they're children, if we don't make any difference, then they don't have any problem when they grow up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1629.24,1724.19"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. One of the hardest things that I've had to understand is how in the world these touring musicians managed to keep going with all the problems they had traveling [crosstalk] -- in the '30s and '40s. People like Chick Webb -- my goodness, when he was going on these tours that extended down through the South, it must've been so hard. And I remember, even in the late '60s, this was really terrible. It was in Hagerstown and they were having some sort of interracial music festival and they wanted some students from Peabody, and there was a wonderful trumpet player. Charlie [phonetic] -- I can't remember his last name, but he's gone on to play with the Empire Brass Quartet. And he was a Black student, and he said he'd go up and play. Well, he stopped in to get -- he got up early in the afternoon, this was an evening thing -- he was going to stop and get supper somewhere. He couldn't find a place to eat. And I was just incensed. And that's when things were supposed to be getting better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1732.58,1831.84"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e My wife had a cousin, Tommy Edwards, who was a singer and he was singing during that time. When he appeared in the white gloves after he left the stage, he couldn't sit at the table and listen to the rest of the program. He had to go sit in the kitchen. Isn't that something? But when it was time for him, he'd come out of the kitchen and go -- [Laughs] It has its humor to it because it doesn't make any sense. No sense at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1833.61,1866.479"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr. McCoy was telling me that when he was playing with Rivers Chambers's group, he was supposed to play a short job here in town. And they sent him up to Delaware -- at the last minute there was a change, so he got the Delaware job. And of course, he left before supper because he told his wife he was going to be back in an hour and just to hold supper for him. By the time he got up there, he said he was starved to death and they were going to have to play this long job and they wouldn't let him have anything to eat. He said he ended up playing the whole concert starving to death because -- I just wouldn't have had his patience. I think I would have wanted to get in the car and just go home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1870.9,1921.87"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e You just had to be tough enough not to let it bother you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1925.53,1928.53"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I was impressed because I'm not sure I could have been that tough, I really don't. To have to deal with that day after day after day. I really couldn't help appreciating just how strong these people are, to cope with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1929.97,1951.62"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e My wife had an aunt who died down in Memphis and we went down to the funeral. When we got off the plane in the station, she needed to go to the restroom, and she asked the woman cleaning the corridor where the restroom was, and she said, Well, the colored one is down there someplace. I said, But there's the White one right there. And she said, But you have to go down there. [unclear] My wife came from Alabama. She said, Oh, this one's good enough for me, and went in the White one. [Laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1955.49,1989.367"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e She did another thing like that -- we belong to a club that used to take trips and we were going through Alexandria, the little town next to Washington, early in the morning. And the girls wanted to go to the bathroom. So we stopped by a tavern of some kind and they went in there and asked to [use] the bathroom. And the guy told them they couldn't go. My wife said, Come on, girls -- I tell you, she was something -- and they went on to the bathroom, and the guy just stood there. But many things like that didn't mean anything. Another time we were going down to Richmond and we stopped at a filling station. She and her aunt wanted to go to the bathroom. And the attendant at the filling station -- he was White -- he said, Ladies, don't go in that one, I have one here you're fit to go in. Go in this one. [unclear] So, it depends on the person. I never got upset about it. Tell you the truth, I didn't run into any segregation till I got here in Baltimore. I didn't understand it in the beginning. Because up in the hills, there wasn't any difference. The girls and boys went out on the sleighs, rolled around in the snow together. Nobody paid attention to it, White and colored together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=1992.4,2075.02"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember that from growing up out in the county here [Baltimore County]. Even when I was a kid, it was just exactly [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2078.11,2084.8"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. Time to go home, you went to your house, they went to theirs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2086.289,2086.465"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and we were back and forth in one another's houses all the time, and didn't think much of it. But you're right, it is much more pronounced in the urban areas. And I couldn't help wondering whether that was a factor in allowing Pennsylvania Avenue to be torn up the way it is. Because this was just this wonderful mecca for --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2089.85,2115.56"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e All the entertainment was over there. And it was clean entertainment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2115.76,2116.9"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And then to tear down Douglass High School, this wonderful place where everybody had gone to be educated. And to tear down the Royal Theatre. I mean, what were they thinking? I just don't understand it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2122.25,2138.09"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And where the Royal Theatre was, was a lot for a long time. I think that church down there now is building something there, but it was just an open lot for years. Didn't make any sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2138.87,2150.524"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it certainly doesn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2151.66,2151.882"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And now the city -- I was just reading a report that they're very interested in developing cultural institutions that reflect the Black contributions to the city. Well, my goodness, if they'd just left Pennsylvania Avenue alone, they couldn't have done better. What a tragedy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2154.93,2177.849"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And lots of people who were over there, probably still living, you could get a whole lot of background from them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2179.17,2186.12"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e That's one of the things that I'm really hoping to -- track down people like Mr. McCoy and Tracy McCleary who were involved in that, because none of us are getting any younger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2188.469,2210.19"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Tracy was a household name around here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2210.64,2212.65"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e He is still a bird. He really is quite a character. Dapper gentleman who definitely has a --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2214.42,2223.019"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the guys had more dignity in those days. They had a different attitude about life and about people, and about themselves. And many of those older guys if you can meet them around now -- as a friend of mine would say, they're the very quintessence of dignity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2227.76,2249.18"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I think you really put your finger on it. That's the one characteristic that I notice right across the board. Everybody stands up very tall. It's really wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2251.5,2262.829"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And neat. You don't step outside less than neat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2267.87,2271.97"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e You see the pictures of the groups that played, like Mr. Webb's band and Rivers Chambers's band, everyone, and look at these gentlemen. And these kids playing out today, don't they have mirrors in their house? 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But if you go and listen to some of this music now, they're playing so loud to start with, plus those speakers are turned way up to the sky --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2293.6,2339.987"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And you're absolutely right, they're instructed to emphasize the bass notes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2344.75,2347.85"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. You don't get the music out of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2348.06,2350.822"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e And yet, when you were going to hear concerts and dances, they didn't even have any microphones and amplification, even in those big rooms. And I'm sure you didn't have any trouble --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2352.85,2363.861"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And you could recognize the saxophone and the trumpet and the violin or whatever. You recognize the notes coming from each one. And it was gentle, and was sweet. But these speakers, my goodness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2364.54,2375.299"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e I could not agree with you more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2377.78,2379.349"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e So now -- I guess you've heard this -- instead of my double bass, if I play it now, I'd get one of those little things about this big and get a speaker and make more noise than my double bass. But it wouldn't be that tune, that something about it. It's different. It's not real.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2381.65,2402.046"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it isn't. It's like a big radio. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2405.699,2407.161"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2408.45,2408.78"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e There was another thing I wanted to ask you. Sara Prettyman, she was a singer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2428.927,2430.08"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2430.8,2430.8"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Did she keep on with her career?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2433.29,2434.88"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, she died early. She was a good singer. She sang around a while, but she was working up in New York -- I don't know whether she was teaching music, or what she was doing. And boy, when she was on her way to work one morning, the policeman who talked to the family said this lady pulled her car in a restricted zone and got out of it. And he said, Lady, you can't park there, and said she started in a drugstore. So I guess she'd stopped to go in the drugstore. And before she could get in the door, he said she just fell down. Just like that, she was dead. So her career was cut off, just like that. But she was a good singer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2436.23,2486.43"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e So this was Alfred's sister?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2487.78,2488.41"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Alfred's sister.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2488.41,2488.512"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Gosh, what a tragedy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2492.33,2493.12"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEUGENE PRETTYMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Alfred sings. His other brother doesn't -- what's [his] name? I never seen him, so forget it. But the other boy was more concerned about games like ball games. He played football and all that kind of thing. Sports. But Alfred still sings, I think. I never see him, except sometimes he comes over to my daughter's when I'm visiting her in New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2494.2,2526.189"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eELIZABETH SCHAAF:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'm hoping to get up to see him sometime.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2528.93,2534.27"},{"id":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487/transcript/35979/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://streaming.peabody.jhu.edu/collections/1178/collection_resources/44166/file/117487#t=2534.749,2534.749"}]}]}]}